Sicker Than Ever

We press into why chronic disease grows as technology advances and how misaligned incentives in food, insurance, and medicine keep people sick. Jeff Hays shares what MAHA Uncensored uncovers, from SSRIs and PBMs to school lunch reform and simple habits that rebuild real health.

• profit incentives driving sick-care over health
• PBMs and insurance shaping drug prices
• processed food, seed oils, and addiction tactics
• how the Flexner Report reshaped medicine
• media narratives and censorship pressures
• SSRIs for kids, tapering, and side effects
• terrain-focused strategies for cancer and diabetes
• simple habits that beat most biohacks
• policy levers for school meals and standards
• where to watch MAHA Uncensored free

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome And Topic Setup
• 0:50 Introducing Jeff Hays And MAHA
• 2:38 Profit Incentives Versus Public Health
• 6:37 Food, Farming, And Processed Addiction
• 10:58 Censorship And Distribution Strategy
• 14:51 Simple Habits Beat High-Tech Hacks
• 18:42 The Flexner Report’s Lasting Impact
• 23:05 Media Narratives And Public Perception
• 26:18 SSRIs, Kids, And Tapering Off
• 31:12 Hope: Policy Shifts And School Lunches
• 35:05 Diabetes, Cancer, Alzheimer’s: New Angles
• 40:08 Guests, Access, And Series Scope
• 43:43 Being Open To Evolving Science

Transcript

Welcome And Topic Setup

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Every conversation tells a story, and the best ones begin with honesty, courage, and a little curiosity. That's where Elsa Kurt comes in. She's an author, podcaster, and independent media personality, and this is where she brings real life to the table. Authors, thinkers, creators, leaders, everyday folks with extraordinary journeys. We sit down, we dig in, and we talk about what matters, what's messy, what's beautiful, and what just might inspire you to look at the world a little differently. So pour a cup of something good. Settle back and join me. This is Elsa Kurt Interviews, where truth has its deep and everyone's welcome.

Introducing Jeff Hays And MAHA

SPEAKER_06 0:42

Well, hey, my friends, we have an interview for you today. We have a big interview for you today. I am very excited about this one. So this is something that is coming right off the heels of the new White House nutritional guidelines from RFK Jr. And this is the only officially Maha sanctioned uh film about the controversial state of the U.S. healthcare system. And it is going public on February 24th. And I am so blessed and grateful to have the director of this documentary, this film, with me. His name is Jeff Hayes, and this is a little bit about him and what we'll be talking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Why are Americans sicker than ever after decades of so-called medical advancement? This week, Elsta sits down with filmmaker Jeff Hayes, director of the real Anthony Fauci, and now Maha Uncensored, a bold new documentary examining over medication, chronic disease, regulatory corruption, and the health solutions many say were pushed out of the mainstream. Join Elsa as she delves into this timely conversation.

SPEAKER_06 1:47

Well, hello there. Thanks so much for joining me. How are you today?

SPEAKER_03 1:50

I'm just perfect. Thanks, Elsa.

SPEAKER_06 1:52

Awesome. So I'm really excited to have you on today. This is such a huge topic. Um, you know, from the the moment um uh RFK Jr. took his position on, I was uh a huge cheerleader for that because I was very, very excited about the things that he was going to do and the things that he was gonna attack. And he he wasted no time, which has been amazing. And um, so this film is is so timely and so great. Your central question is simple, but it is unsettling. Why are Americans sicker than ever after decades of medical advancement? And obviously, it's not a small question. So you ready to get into it?

Profit Incentives Versus Public Health

SPEAKER_03 2:34

Yeah, this is this this turned out this is big, this simple question. I had one of our experts say uh we're not in the experience of a healthcare system that's failing. We're having the experience of a medical industry that is succeeding. And that really struck me that the when we made sickness profitable, we unleashed something that we never imagined. Um in 2024, the election year, August 23rd that year, um, Bobby was running for president on August 23rd. He had a press conference in Phoenix, Arizona, and withdrew from the race. He gave a brilliant one-hour speech. I had been asked to fly in the night before. They wanted some friendly faces in the crowd, and um and you know, watched him. We didn't know that that's what he was gonna do. And then after the meeting, they said, Well, come with us, we're all going to a Trump rally. And I'm like, Okay, 24 hours earlier, I didn't know I was gonna be in Phoenix, and now I'm on the front row of a Trump rally. Wow. And Bobby, when Trump introduced him, when President Trump introduced him, the crowd went wild. Yeah it was just, and I'm looking at this going, wow, the audience for my films just multiplied by a factor of 10 with the energy of of the MAGA movement. And in that speech, Bobby extemporaneously said, make America healthy again. And the the it was resonant, it caught on. And Bobby filed a trademark on that phrase enamha. And so uh the later uh after he was um uh uh assured of being secretary of health and human services, uh I asked Bobby to license me that uh to make four films. And this one of those uh films, The Truth About Medicine, I knew because of him being a secretary of of HHS, I would have access that normally I wouldn't have. So we did over a hundred interviews for this. It turned out to be 16 chapters, and it's gonna launch on the 24th with the the first and second chapter, and then there'll be successive days after that. But I am so proud of this. We really do find cures that have been suppressed, we find uh mistakes that we've made, and we find um you know there's some villains in this story, and we there's reasons we're so unhealthy.

SPEAKER_06 5:16

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure there are quite a lot of villains there. And the motives are, you know, I suppose the motives are you know pretty obvious as far as financial gain, power, control, you know, all of those things. And of course, just keeping us sick, which keeps us dependent on those very systems. And um, you know, the more that you read and the more that you think about it, the more infuriating it gets. And and I want to talk about that, especially as it pertains to our children and our grandchildren. So um, but before we even get into that, tell me a little bit about the moment that you realized that this wasn't just a health problem, but um potentially a systemic one.

Food, Farming, And Processed Addiction

SPEAKER_03 5:56

Yeah, that what I keep seeing the same story playing out over and over. And like I'm a capitalist. You know, it's it's amazing that I supported Bobby. I'm a libertarian. It's just you know a little L libertarian. And so the I I I look at this and go, how could capitalism be doing this? And this is not capitalism, this is crony capitalism. I I don't believe there's any people sitting behind the scenes that are designing this grand plan to make us sick as we've set the incentives up where it's happening almost automatically. So you know what one of the things we cover uh in in the third chapter is pharmacy benefit managers, PBMs.

SPEAKER_05 6:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 6:46

And I talked to my normally educated friends, they don't even know what they are. These were companies that were set up to negotiate with pharma for prices for drugs on behalf of us and insurance companies. So great, they're gonna negotiate better deals. Well, they started negotiating deals where they get rebates or kickbacks. So there's drugs that should cost$25 that charge$1,800, and the pharmacy benefit manager is the one getting that that spread. And so what turned it really bad was then the five big insurance companies bought the five big PBMs. And now the insurance companies own these, and that's where all the money is going. I thought, wow, this is terrible. Well, it turns out the same thing has happened in farming, the same thing has happened in ranching. So we have these roe farmers who are growing corn, cotton, soy, wheat, and they're buying their seed. There used to be 2,000 seed sources, but now there's five. And so the prices are are choking them out. And then once they grow it, this this is not corn like you know, corn on the cob. This is corn to be used for feed, to be ground up and made corn syrup, you know, corn solids. And so they're selling that to big food for processed food, and that's their only place to sell it. So they're in the middle getting squeezed. And then I see the same thing happen to ranchers, where there's only five places that a rancher can sell his beef, these five big, and they make 63 cents out of the dollar where the where the rancher makes 37. So it's this same system being replicated over and over. Meanwhile, you have processed food companies that just want to sell a lot. Um course, that you know, they were bought uh by tobacco companies who took their addiction scientists and put them to work. But if you and I started a restaurant, would we want to have the very best food that we could have to sell the most, to have people come back? And so it just evolved. And so now we have processed food making us sick. Meanwhile, you have the companies like Bear buying the farming companies, buying Monsanto, buying, and I don't think they planned this, but they they saw, oh great, here's this profitable industry that's making people sick, and we happen to make drugs, you know, what a perfect synergy. And this is the system that the moms in this country are raising their kids in. And if you show up to a soccer game um with oranges instead of Snickers, you're like, oh great, you're that mom. You know, that one, right. And so we've got to educate people on what real health looks like and and support moms in in making those shifts where it's not just the the one granola mom who won't, you know, let her kids have the delicious Doritos.

Censorship And Distribution Strategy

SPEAKER_06 9:44

Yeah, yeah. And and I love uh there's several things that I I loved about what you've said. And one of the things, the first thing I want to point out that you said, and and I know I'm guilty of this, you know, we get into this habit of the using the they term, you know, like they all conspire together to make us sick. And it's, you know, it's a big conspiracy, it's a big plan plotted against us. And, you know, and it's it's an interesting perspective and and thought process to to realize that like it's a collective, you know, yes, it all ties together, but it wasn't necessary. And I'm not saying that that makes it better, but I I'm a fan of just simply facts and clarity. So, you know, I do think it is important to to point that out. And I'm glad that you did. And then, you know, the other part of that, which is what you just said about the about the choosing the the better options and just being educated. And I know that's been a huge part of uh I I don't know him, but I'm gonna be so nervy to call him Bobby because I just like it. Um, that, you know, he's about that education factor, like be educated, know what you're eating, know what you're feeding your kids, know what you're putting in your body. And I and I think that's so critically important because so many people, especially probably like the older generation, rest on the, well, I've been eating Twinkies. I don't know, that's the first one that came to mind. I've been eating Twinkies since 19, you know, whatever. And they just don't understand that the food that you were eating then or the version of that food that you were eating then is not the same thing that you're eating now. And I think so many more people are are definitely getting to understand that better. But the more education that you put out there, the more information you put out there, the better people can make, you know, choices for themselves and their families that are just better.

SPEAKER_03 11:26

It's um last night, 60 Minutes had Bobby Kennedy on. And like they never did an interview with him. They haven't, he used to be on all the time. For a decade, they haven't had him on. And I watched. Um, and they had the former head of the FDA, uh, I think his name is Kessler, on bookending Bobby. And I thought, oh, this is how they're able to get Bobby, you know, like they can't ignore the Secretary of Health and Human Services doing these, I mean, flipping the pyramid. But we can't have Bobby Kennedy be on because we know he's crazy. And so they put Kessler in there to say, okay, well, Bobby and I disagree about everything, especially vaccines, because we know they're great, but on this he's right. And so they and but it was the first honest and fair reporting done by the main street media in years, and so we're making headway. But in that report last night, um, that they were shocked to find out the FDA does not know the number of chemicals that we have in our food. In Europe, they're limited to 400, and it's probably in the range of 10,000, but because of our uh generally recognized safe rule that we've had at the FDA, we don't know. They don't report this. And so literally, we're putting components in food that are not food that your kids are ingesting into their tiny little systems, and we're seeing things we've never seen before.

SPEAKER_05 12:56

Right.

SPEAKER_03 12:57

When I was a kid, I never came across any child in my entire youth that didn't speak. With the exception of there was a kid who was mute, and that was oh he's mute because he was deaf. And now all of a sudden, this is something that we didn't have a word, uh a word for that for somebody not speaking. We didn't peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, it was like that was people, yeah. Peanut allergies and obese kids. Um it's it's amazing. Things are are going wrong, but it's leaving a lot of clues. And the experts that we interviewed and the stories that we tell in this Maha movie, uh, the whole name is Maha Uncensored, the truth about medicine. And I like that our marketing people came up with Maha Uncensored because I was massively censored. Oh I got the like barred, you know, banned from buying. I used to spend a hundred thousand a month on Facebook buying ads for my films, and then we couldn't buy an ad. And now the sudden excitement.

SPEAKER_06 14:09

They literally refused you, right? They declined, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:12

When I did the the real Anthony Fauci movie, an editor in LA sent me a uh section he'd edited for me to review, and he put it on his private, password-protected YouTube channel, called me, I was driving, and I got home to look at it, and it was taken down off of his private channel before I could even review it.

SPEAKER_06 14:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:33

Violating their content policies.

SPEAKER_06 14:36

It's so crazy.

SPEAKER_03 14:38

This will be quite uncensored, and and and now we can tell the real story.

SPEAKER_06 14:44

And and these are and you're putting these up, so you're offering them um for free for I believe a limited time. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_03 14:50

Correct.

SPEAKER_06 14:51

Um, and they're going up are they going up on YouTube as well? And if so, are they are they minimizing? No, okay.

SPEAKER_03 14:57

They're all they're all at maha movie.com. Okay. And that way we can control the quality, and we also don't it get taken down and you know, all of a sudden um episode three disappears uh mysteriously. Uh, we make them uh free to watch. It's a wacky business model, um, but I've been doing this for years, and about five percent of the people who watch it for free decide they want to own it, and it actually um we we can usually make back the amount that we spend to make the film or make a profit on putting them out. Um, but we want the widest distribution possible. And you know, people do pay because they pay with their time.

SPEAKER_04 15:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:37

And so I want to make sure that that people know from the very first five minutes, oh, this is worth my time. And we we got access that um you just normally wouldn't have. Um I'm really excited for people to see this.

SPEAKER_06 15:53

Oh my gosh, you guys have to go to the website. Uh tell them the name of the website again.

SPEAKER_03 15:56

It's it's maha movie.com.

SPEAKER_06 15:59

Thank you. And um, and you have a personal website, a different one as well, too, right? Is it jeffhays.com? No.

SPEAKER_03 16:06

Jeffhaysfilms.com.

SPEAKER_06 16:07

Thank you. Yeah. Um I I I want to we'll put those in the show notes and everything too for everybody, and we'll have it up on the screen. Um please go check out both because your your catalog of work is so amazing and and so impressive. And I can't wait to pour through like each one. That'll be my my to be every you know, everybody has a to be read list. I have also the to be watched list. There, there's so many on there that I'm like, oh, and it's just such a great education that you don't get.

SPEAKER_03 16:33

I did a movie about um Bobby Kennedy called uh The Truth About RFK Jr. Um, and that's on Angel Studios, so people that are Angel subscribers can watch uh um he he really is one of the most fascinating, if not the most fascinating person I've ever met. Um I I've watched him through this whole thing and watched him go from being a Hollywood darling who was loved, you know, you know, on the cover of Time magazine is the Kennedy Who Matters to being a pariah and to watch him stoically um just take that. He is so committed to um turning this around. And I think we have a chance now. We've got a great head of the FDA, we've got a great head of the CDC, we've got you know Bobby in place, and we've got the full support of President Trump behind them. And now, if we can get the public to see, you know, we can grab this moment. I can't stop the Ukraine war, I can I can't stop the ridiculousness of the Epstein files and wherever that goes, but I can reclaim health for me and the people around me, and I can let people know we've got a chance. So this is a moment.

The Flexner Report’s Lasting Impact

SPEAKER_06 17:50

It absolutely is, and I'm I'm so thrilled, relieved, gratified that it's actually able to get out now, that it's not gonna be blocked and censored and you know, hidden from people. And you know what they do with it is say, yeah, I know, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, we we we know there's gonna be platforms that that will do their very best to minimum minimize the the effect and the reach that it has. Um, but that's why we get to do things like this. And and you know, we use all of our resources to um to get the information out to people. And and I I I admire your perseverance through that because it is brutal what you've gone through. Um, I've gone through it on a much smaller scale. You know, I mean, I've I had especially uh during the COVID years, of course, um had just so much stuff blocked and just automatically removed without any any um discussions, just nope, you can't say that. It's gone, goodbye. And people who don't believe you are like, oh, you're making that up, you know, that never happened. I was like, I can show you the screenshots, people. Like they just they don't want you to know these things. And it's horrifying. And the level of manipulation and and um um gaslighting that they have done to the the entire nation, if not the world, um, is is honestly it's horrifying, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 19:09

Yeah, the when some of these things where science has become a religion and it it requires faith, and you know, it it it it is really astounding. But you know, there are people that just need to know more, that will do the best, you know, that are just doing the best they can. And, you know, with the amazing, like I there's a section on peptides, there's a great section on stem cells, and we cover red light therapy and all the longevity things, and I like all this cool stuff. We had one doctor we interviewed, it was a boring interview because he kept coming back to, you know, I want to talk about some of these exciting things like all the new peptides. He goes, Well, you know, if you just get enough exercise and sunshine and you're grounding uh every day and and movement, clean food and clean water, your body makes its own peptides. Like, okay, but what about stem cells? And he just kept coming back to uh exercise, sunshine, grounding, good relationships, clean food, clean water. When I interviewed Ben Greenfield, who's a biohacker and a buddy for years, after we finished the interview, he goes, you know, Jeff, the truth is if we would just get people to exercise, get sunshine, uh, have good relationships, clean water and clean food, we're 80 to 90 percent of the way there. Yeah, and so this stuff doesn't have to be exotic. I love the exotic stuff and I love covering it. But you know, that this I walk 15 to 20,000 steps a day. Um, I live in Utah, so we get covered in snow. I put a treadmill in my house, and I'm amaz I I used to own one as a clothes rack.

SPEAKER_06 20:49

But same, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:51

I now have a rule, I can't watch Netflix unless I'm on my treadmill.

SPEAKER_06 20:57

Oh, I love that. That's brilliant.

SPEAKER_03 20:58

And I'm like, I don't feel like that. Oh, I want to see what's happening with Reacher. You know, so I want to have some goofy show that I want to see what's happening. Yeah, you know, anybody in the world can can can do that. Um so we'll cover all the exotic things and we'll cover all the conspiracies and and uh that, but meanwhile, exercise, sunshine, putting your feet on the ground, um, eating food, you know, it is that simple. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 21:27

Isn't isn't that just like human nature to want to complicate everything? Like to make it everything so much more difficult than it actually is. And and you know, that's like the simplest place to start and maintain of all. Um, let me ask you a little bit more about the film. So it begins with what you call the dark history of the system. Um if you're willing, could you share? I don't want to take away from the the film at all. Um, but what's one historical turning point that most Americans have never been taught?

Media Narratives And Public Perception

SPEAKER_03 21:55

Yeah, this is the Flexner report that occurred early in the 1900s, where you had Rockefeller and Carnegie hired Abraham Flexner to go out and do a survey of all the things, and it was the Wild West. You know, there were all these different schools of medicine: homeopathy, uh, osteopaths, chiropractic, um, and western medicine. And because they were making chemicals that you know became our drugs, they put their money behind our Western medicine model. And homeopathy, their schools didn't get funded. Uh, chiropractic, they got ignored. Osteopathy had to convert to a drug-based uh profession for them to uh continue. And they made this shift in the early 1900s that became our traditional Western medicine. And then Rockefeller was so uh brilliant, he would use his foundation to donate hospitals to Japan, to all of the world. And they're yeah, what a great guy! He's building hospitals that buy drugs from the drug companies that Rockefeller owned. And it was like this exact same model that Bill Gates used by funding the WHO, demanding foreign countries adopt our vaccine program to get our help and our funding. And then, oh, coincidentally, the he's a major investor in the vaccine companies for profit that are selling to these from his charitable work.

SPEAKER_06 23:29

What a coincidence, right?

SPEAKER_03 23:31

Doesn't that just work out great?

SPEAKER_06 23:34

It's still amazing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:35

We spread this all over the world, but in the reality, we've been doing it for hundreds of years. Male medicine, you know, was uh give them mercury, bloodletting, and amputation, this heroic medicine that evolved from the male model. Meanwhile, you had these wacky women that were practicing herbalism and and had herbs that cured people, and they would would pass it on. And then when they started succeeding, we would burn them for being witches. Like literally, you have this male versus female model that continued on and then got codified into our Western medicine system. When I was born, my mom didn't breastfeed me because that was for poorer third world countries. We had science-based milk, you know. And you know, back then the husband was out in the waiting room pacing while a surgeon delivered the baby. You know, maybe if you were the poorest people in the world, you might have a midwife.

SPEAKER_06 24:34

Right.

SPEAKER_03 24:34

We we medicalized birth. Yeah. Where it needs a surgeon.

SPEAKER_06 24:39

Um right, right. Yeah, it's just wild. It's just wild. And we we got persuaded into it. I, you know, and it wasn't, they're so smart. They're so smart, and I hate to use the they, but they are. They're so smart in how they did it because it wasn't sudden, it wasn't abrupt. It's such a a brilliant, a horribly brilliant um gaslighting. I'll go back to gaslighting, gaslighting of the people. And we were persuaded into believing it all, right?

SPEAKER_03 25:07

And that the phrase, oh, that's been debunked.

SPEAKER_06 25:10

Yeah.

SSRIs, Kids, And Tapering Off

SPEAKER_03 25:10

Oh I don't need to think about this anymore. That's been debunked. And so now that these have become billion-dollar industries, um, that and and billion-dollar drugs, individual drugs, then of course they start building an infrastructure to keep that in place. Um you know, and and I I watch, I'll read articles in the New York Times talking about how um glyphosate is not bad for you. And there was an there were several articles on seed oils are good for you. And you know, and and there was an article, you know, saying processed food is really not bad, it's actually good for you. I'm like, how how does a writer write this stuff when they're writing things that I know are not true, right, that they know are not true, that um then, you know, so you have people that if you got your news from only the New York Times and ABC, you would think that Bobby Kennedy was a crazy nutcase. And that and and these are people, New York Times, this is a well-informed person that has no idea the strings that are being pulled. And and and the impact on their their health is is is astounding. I was in uh New York at a fundraiser for a very well-known filmmaker, and the I was sitting next to the former managing partner of Goldman Sachs, and he and the guy next on the other side of me were arguing over who had the best concierge doctor. Well, my guy went to Harvard, he was idiot, my guy. And then the guy sitting to my right had to go up and take a pain medication. And I I I said, Well, have you ever thought of like ozone for that? He looked at me like I had said, you know, you know, have you ever thought of of getting a witch doctor? These are the wealthiest people in the world with access to everything and completely oblivious to anything that doesn't come from their indoctrinated doctor uh who believes more than we do in prescriptions.

SPEAKER_06 27:21

It's so wild. And you know, and I love that your film is going to get people to just start thinking, like just think a little bit, Russia. Like, maybe don't even take everything that you're saying or that this film is saying as the gospel, as the absolute truth. At least take it and do your own research then. If you don't want to, you know what I mean? And that's I think that's such a lacking skill. And that's of course uh a point proven in in that story you just told that like nobody wants to take the time to educate themselves, to learn more, to question what's being said to them. We lost that ability, it feels like your film um is gonna, or does, I should say, addresses the over medication of children, which is uh that is so huge, that is so rampant, isn't it? Um tell me a little bit about what you talk about in the film regards to that.

SPEAKER_03 28:10

And and and this is in uh episode one, and we go deep into the SSRIs, and I um have always been wary of them, but now what what we learned, oh my gosh, uh we have one psychiatrist who flat out says it, you know, usually people couch their words and well, depending on the person in front of me and this and that, you know, he's like, there is no human being in the world that should be on an SSRI, period. They don't work and they have horrible side effects. He said if it was to be prescribed for anything, it should be prescribed to create sexual dysfunction. It's like these are um that it's the most reliable effect. Yeah. When we talk to these people who were put on them as kids, and they became they're addictive. They try to get off of them and they start having withdrawal, and their healthcare provider will say, Well, that's just showing how badly you needed to be on them. Oh, I guess I did need them. And instead, they're enduring withdrawal. And some of these it it was uh incredibly painful. It can take years. Uh, one of the people we interviewed owns taper clinics, 16 different clinics, that all they do is help people taper off of these drugs. That the the there's one lady, Kim, who her husband was having trouble sleeping. This is 20 plus years ago, and he went to his doctor and said, I can't sleep. The doctor said, Oh, I'm gonna put you on Zoloft. Six weeks later, he killed himself. Oh, and she took this up, found the research that the FDA knew about this and didn't act on it for years. She sued and won her suit, but she is also responsible for there being a black box warning on these SRIs that they cause violence and suicidal behaviors sometimes. And she now sits on the FDA committee that approves these drugs as the consumer representative.

SPEAKER_05 30:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:17

Yeah. This this one, if you watch nothing else on this, because I thought, well, there's some people that surely need them that you wouldn't want to see them off of their meds. And I've changed my opinion.

Hope: Policy Shifts And School Lunches

SPEAKER_06 30:29

Um that's always the argument, right? That's the always the counter-argument, isn't it? Well, there's some people, some people need it, and that's the only thing that will help them. And that's always like the comeback people will always say every single time you argue against the use of them. And and just for anybody watching who didn't know, and I'll be honest, guys, I I didn't know. I couldn't tell you what SSRI stands for stood for. Um so I let me just tell them quickly selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors, they're a class of prescription medications most commonly used to treat depression and anxiety orders. Most common are, like you said, Zoloft, Prozac, Lexapro, Selexa, Paxil. Um, they're prescribed for major depressive disorder, generalized anxiety, panic disorder, OCD, PTSD, and even off label for some other conditions. I just wanted to make sure if anybody didn't know, I wanted to make sure you guys knew what we were talking about here.

SPEAKER_03 31:20

Thank you for doing that because I I this is the water I swim in.

SPEAKER_06 31:24

Yeah, it's all familiar to you, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

It is so familiar. And I forget that the like I said, I was having dinner with some friends of mine that they're very successful. And I go, well, yeah, these PBMs, and and they're like, these what? And I'm like, wow, they they um they they don't know, and everybody looks as big pharma as the villain. What people don't realize is big insurance is four times as big as big pharma. Yeah, there is billions of dollars flowing through you know through this system, and and they are very happy keeping it in place. They're very happy getting kids on drugs that they'll be on the rest of their lives. You've got a built-in customer forever.

SPEAKER_06 32:06

Yeah, yeah, that is oh, I can't say it enough times. It's so horrifying to me, you know. As uh, you know, my kids are grown, so I look at my grandkids. We have four, four and under, and I look at these sweet, beautiful, happy babies, and the idea of their joy being stolen from them like that is just awful, awful. So um, again, for nothing else, like you just said, for nothing else, watch for this and and learn from this and and just oh my goodness, just know what's out there and what the alternatives are.

SPEAKER_03 32:39

Um I want to point out that there's lots of good news in this. Yeah, there is and it's it's like you know, where when we first started finishing them and I was uh sending them over to our marketing people, and and the the you know, one of the people said, Wow, this is really depressing. I'm like, ooh, that's not what I'm going for.

SPEAKER_05 32:58

Right.

SPEAKER_03 32:59

Um but I love sunlight and I love uh the truth, and you'll you'll recognize the truth when you hear it. There is so much that we can do. Um you know, changing this food pyramid that affects what the military buys. The military buys billions of meals, you know. This is big. So now all of a sudden we can change the school lunch programs. And like literally right now, you can't have over 10% saturated fat in a school lunch. That means they have to use seed oils. They should be using tallow or or lard or any of these that and so getting these infrastructure changes made where now we can take this and grow it and and um you know feeding our kids nutrient-dense foods, even if that's only one meal a day that they get that's a nutrient-dense, uh full of everything their bodies need, um, this is a change we can get made over the next few years.

Diabetes, Cancer, Alzheimer’s: New Angles

SPEAKER_06 34:04

Yeah, absolutely. And I'm so glad that you pointed that out because it is easy to interpret this as a scare tactic, as something depressing and um d defeating to know that all of this has been in existence and a part of our our lives as of right now, up until right now, that this is still part of our lives. Um, but you should be watching this and taking this as hope and and the alternative and education. I mean, just knowledge is power, knowledge is power. I could say that a thousand times over. Knowledge is power. And once you know better, you get to do better. So, how exciting is that to me, at least. I think that's such a um such a gift to be given, to just have all of this knowledge compiled for you and given to you to do as you choose with. Watch it, walk away from it, ignore it, heed it, whatever you want to do, but at least you have options now, at least you have the knowledge, which I think is is just so wonderful. Um, you I were I'm I'm gonna set you free shortly. I'm sorry. I just have so many things I want to ask you and talk to you about because this is so great. Um, let me just ask you also about um you address diabetes, cancer, and Alzheimer's, which is pretty bold territory, right? Um you said something in there about the and tell me if I say it wrong, amyloid scandal. I don't know anything about that whatsoever.

SPEAKER_03 35:27

Yeah, we're the Alzheimer's research that we've been doing has been based on this theory around the amyloid plaque. And it turned out to be a faulty study that we have then spent uh hundreds of maybe even billions, I don't remember, of dollars going down this trail that was all based on a faulty study. And so grants just kept being given, the NIH kept pouring money into it, and and now we uh have the chance to actually find some solutions and we show uh some in the film. And the on the topic of cancer, uh my wife died two years and seven months ago of ovarian cancer. And I know Nobel Prize winners in cancer. I know like the resources that I have are off the charts, alternative and and um and we spent a fortune on alternative treatments. We also did traditional, and I watched, and it's not this deal, you know, where a lot of the alternative people will say, oh, you know, cut poison and burn, that's all bad, that's all just money making, it doesn't, and then the traditional people say, oh, this wacky alternative stuff. And we extended her life by a couple of years by doing everything. And and I I'm against chemo, except when I saw it work when nothing else would work. And so we've got to be open-minded, looking for solutions everywhere. And um, the the the cancer episode, the message of that one is uh really based on terrain theory, and that is you you want to have a body that clears cancer every day. You you don't want a strong terrain. Uh what you said about education, that Dr. Naisha Winters, uh who wrote a book on this, says an educated patient, is a hard-to-kill patient.

SPEAKER_04 37:19

I love that.

SPEAKER_03 37:20

And you can make your body very unlikely to get cancer. And and so there's there's hope for that. With diabetes, if somebody's a type 2 diabetic, I don't think there's one person with type 2 diabetes that we couldn't have off their medications within 90 days using diet alone. Um and it it's we've been huge. Yeah. Let down, you know, and this diabetes. I I was at a Christmas party uh breakfast, and I had one of my diabetic um, we'll call him a relative, but you know, like not really a relative, but you know, your uncle and he's his his his uh uh nephew comes up to him and says, Oh, do you want some orange juice, Pops? And he's like, Yeah. And he pours him this giant glass of sunny D. Aren't you a diabetic? And he goes, Oh yeah, thank you. And then took a sip of his sunny D and pulled his insulin pin out and injected his belly with insulin.

SPEAKER_05 38:18

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:21

Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, that'd be bad if I didn't take my insulin. I'm like, maybe you don't take the sunny Down liquid sugar. So there's there's so much hope there, you know, and hope for you know, for um obesity. We get into the GLP ones and and I'll let people um uh go go through that and and make up their own mind. Um the uh but we stray into all of these, and there's for each one of them.

SPEAKER_06 38:50

Yeah, it's no wonder you said it's a 16-part series, yes? Is that correct?

SPEAKER_03 38:54

It's 16, 30 minute or so episodes, and so we'll double them up on certain days. Some of them are a little longer, and so they're on their own day. Um, and and people can uh pick and choose. I um I think if uh after somebody watches episode one, they're gonna be very interested in seeing uh the rest of this. I am so proud of this. I originally was just making a 90-minute documentary, and it just kept expanding and expanding. And uh and so I'm really happy to share this with the with the world.

SPEAKER_06 39:29

Yeah, I'm so glad that you are. It's so huge. And you you really assembled quite a crew there, obviously RFK Jr., Dr. Mark Hyman, uh Dr. Peter McCullough, Callie Means, and uh, I'm sure a whole bunch of others, uh, which is just incredible. That's like a to me, that sounds like the dream team right there. So that's just incredible to have that group of people um giving input and and participating in whichever ways that they did. So kudos to you for sure for that.

Guests, Access, And Series Scope

SPEAKER_03 39:56

And Dave Asprey and Robert Malone and like literally everybody that you'd want to hear from, and many people that are not famous, but we've got senators and and uh politicians and and uh leaders of you know from every uh category, and they there was so much competition to even make it into one of these 16 parts. Um you know, they if I was to show you the footage, you know, we may film somebody for two hours and then use three minutes here.

SPEAKER_05 40:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:27

Um the you know, so it's based on a lot of very smart people that have done a lot of thought on this.

SPEAKER_06 40:35

It sounds like such an incredible uh labor of love, really. I mean, because the the the hours and and energy and time and everything that you you and everyone you worked with had to put into this um to be able to put this out for everybody and then to offer it for free for people is just mind-blowing to me and and so incredibly generous and you know, and really a testament to the importance of it, I think. Like that you're saying, listen, I don't even, I don't, I don't have to make you know, billions of dollars off of this. This is information that you need to have in your life. And and I just just wow to me. It's just incredible. If you um if you could, you know, obviously there's gonna be critics, there's gonna be the naysayers. We know that. I mean, we've been hearing them, you know, all along. Anytime you don't toe the line, um, what message would you like to give to your to the critics?

SPEAKER_03 41:23

Um literally, this this stands on its own. I'm willing to have the debate. I'm willing to um to sit and and argue for why I think. But the fact I did a series on stem cells five years ago, six years ago, and our experts in that talked about how you take these embryonic stem cells that are from umbilical cord stem cells, mesenchymal stem cells, and inject them, and then they take residence in your body and form new tissue. So I'm filming about stem cells for this, and this expert says that they don't take residence, they turn out they're transient and they're out of your body, usually within 90 days. They trigger a healing cascade by being there, and then they leave. And I'm like so I'm like, wait a minute, that's not what I've been told. And so I checked on Grok, and Grok said, no, they become part of your body.

SPEAKER_05 42:14

I checked on GPT.

SPEAKER_03 42:16

No, they don't. And it turns out that from the time I filmed then to when I film now, we now know they don't take residence in your body if they're not in your body. Okay. If you if you get a kidney from somebody else, you have to take a drug to keep you from rejecting it. Same thing happens with stem cells, but I reported exactly the wrong thing six years ago. Wow. Yeah, I mean state of the art. So it's like I am used to being wrong. Sure. And it's like, so what I can say is this is the best that I can gather today, and we'll know more in five years. But you know, there are things that you take somebody who is a diabetic and you change his diet, and he's no longer diabetic in 90 days. You can't argue that. That's like, okay, uh, the science may or may not have caught up, but here's the person who's not diabetic anymore. So it's certainly the best effort. But that's why I'm I'm willing to discuss this with anybody, but I'm not gonna do it as a religion that I can't be challenged.

SPEAKER_05 43:15

Right.

SPEAKER_03 43:16

Because you know, my own experts on the same topic challenge me by just the you know the knowledge growing.

Being Open To Evolving Science

SPEAKER_06 43:23

Sure, yeah. And I love that. To me, that gives it gives more credibility because you have the humility to be able to say, I'm working with the information that I have right now. Can that information change? And I and I think that's like, you know, to me, that's such a should be a matter of course. Well, of course, we're it goes back to what we were saying earlier. Like when you know better, you do better. As you learn more, you get to do better and make different choices and all that. So I love that that's uh just kind of part of the vernacular there that you're like, listen, we'll talk about it. You give me your perspective on it. And I think that's great because the tendency, I'm not gonna throw any, you know, no name calling, no finger pointing, maybe just a little bit of finger pointing. Pointing, but there is a faction of people who do not want to have the conversation. They just want to shut it all down. They want their perspective out, and that's it. And there's no room to talk about it. So, you know, that is not the case here, and I love that.

SPEAKER_03 44:12

And it's dangerous to talk about it. Not only do they it's dangerous to allow this conversation to have inside right there.

SPEAKER_06 44:18

Yeah, dangerous. Oh, yeah, we are in uh fascinating times, aren't we, Jeff? Fascinating times. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_03 44:27

I just um coming back to Bobby Kennedy says, I'm only responsible for the little piece of real estate inside my own shoes. And like literally, we I've heard him say it publicly. We were sitting in my office and I was asking him, um, you know, about was he afraid this is when he was running for president? You know, you've got to consider the the the risk to you.

SPEAKER_05 44:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:51

Bobby said he gets up every morning, kneels down in praise, and stands up and says, reporting for duty, sir. And then I later interviewed one of his daughters, and she talked about it. That's literally how he starts his day. So sometimes when Bobby will ask me for something or or text me about something, I'll text about, you know, reporting for duty, sir. That's who I want to be is I want to every day show up to to report for duty.

SPEAKER_06 45:19

Yeah. Yeah, I love that. And you sure are. You're doing one heck of a job of it. Thank you. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 45:26

I'm excited for you to see it. I think you're really I am too.

SPEAKER_06 45:29

I'm so excited. Yeah, yeah, super excited. My husband and I are gonna sit down and watch it together, so it'll be great. I'll see if I can get my daughter in to watch it. My son-in-law, I know he'll be one of the first ones watching it, so I can't wait to I just can't wait to share it with everyone. It's so wonderful. Um, one last time, will you tell everybody where to find you and where to find this film and all of your work?

SPEAKER_03 45:45

Yeah, and it's in and you don't need to find me. There's nothing exciting there. The the maha movie.com. And uh I I think that I uh literally sometimes some films come out better than others. This and this one, I I just marvel at all the things that transpired to create something of real impact. And I think people are gonna be really glad to see it.

SPEAKER_06 46:07

Yeah, I think you're right. I think I don't think you're right. I know that you're right. I I believe that you're absolutely right on that. Jeff, thank you so much again for joining me today and sharing this wealth of information and and hope. And and I and I really do want to end on that, that you're offering a great deal of hope here for the alternatives and and just through educating. And I and I think that's wonderful. So thank you very much.

SPEAKER_03 46:28

Thank you. So thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_06 46:30

All right, guys, thank you all for watching us today. We will see you in the next episode. Take care.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

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