Marxism's Hidden Influence on America

We explore the profound influence of Marxist ideology on American society and how it continues to shape modern political discourse through divisive identity politics and constitutional erosion.

• Karl Marx's philosophy established class warfare by pitting the bourgeoisie (business owners) against the proletariat (working class)
• The Communist Manifesto contains ten planks that are recognizable in today's policies, including graduated income tax
• Education has become a battleground for control with systematic removal of constitutional understanding from schools
• Government officials actively encourage division rather than unity as a means of maintaining power
• People are selectively taught historical figures who support collectivist narratives while those who warned against communism are ignored
• The 16th Amendment fundamentally altered the citizen-government relationship by allowing direct federal taxation of individuals
• Solutions begin at the state level where citizens must elect representatives who understand their constitutional obligations
• The most effective defense against tyranny remains an educated citizenry who cannot be easily manipulated

Read "The Communist Manifesto" to recognize its principles in today's politics, and pick up a copy of the Constitution to understand your rights. Get educated, push back at the state level, and don't allow yourself to be categorized as part of a group rather than as an individual.

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Speaker 1: 0:00

She's the voice behind the viral comedy bold commentary and truth-packed interviews that cut through the chaos. Author. Brand creator. Proud conservative Christian. This is Elsa Kurt. Welcome to the show that always brings bold faith, real truth and no apologies. Here we go. Well, hey, mark, good to see you. How have you been?

Speaker 2: 0:19

I've been great, thank you, traveling like crazy across the world, but other than that, I'm back home and here I am.

Speaker 1: 0:24

I love it. I'm glad you are and I'm glad you were able to squeeze in some time for me and the show. I always love having you on here For the people who are new, my new followers who have not met you yet on the show. Could you do me a favor and just give a little background about yourself for them so they get to know who you are?

Speaker 2: 0:41

Yes, okay. Grew up in New England. I am currently living in North Carolina with my wife of almost 45 years the most luckiest girl in the world, you can argue Did a stint in Arizona for quite a while, ran for US Congress out there and got pretty heavily involved in politics with Kerry Lake and Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who's a good friend of mine, and quite a few others Paul Gosar, andy Biggs now, who's running for governor. I have two children, who one works for me in my consulting company, lean Horizons. It's a global consulting company. We now have now consulted on six continents.

Speaker 2: 1:17

I just got back from South Africa a few weeks ago and that was our sixth continent to consult on and my other son both my boys are veterans my other son, both my boys are veterans and they went to Afghanistan together and in 2010, my little guy, steven, who was 25 at the time, did not come back. He got killed over there. So that put us in a club called Gold Star Families and it's a club we didn't ask to join and it's also a club that we can't get out of. But my dad was a World War II veteran, tool and die maker. For 44 years he was at the Battle of Iwo Jima in World War II and I just recently got all his records and learned that he enlisted which was kind of cool 120 pages of records.

Speaker 2: 1:56

It's unbelievable. Took a long time to get. And so I'm talking out of my home in North Carolina. We just moved here in November, this past November, which we love it here. It's great Finally know what green's like again. And yeah, and we have a little doggie named Buckley, mr Buckley named after William F Buckley Jr. He had King Charles Cavaliers and that's what he is and he's the king of the house. So I love it.

Speaker 1: 2:18

Are you still doing your podcast, Mark? Are you on pause right now?

Speaker 2: 2:21

No, no, I have two podcasts one for my business, which is Lean Management it's called Lean 911. And you go to lean911.com, and I have a constitutional podcast which you've been on a couple of times.

Speaker 2: 2:31

And I want you on again and it's called the Constitution Solution One Podcast Under God. You can find it at 1787solutioncom, and we picked 1787. That's the year the Constitution was the one we know today was written, and we geez, I think we're approaching 50 or 60 episodes so far. So, and we've had all kinds of great people like yourself on it. I had Ted Nugent, who's a friend of mine, he's on it, he was on it. A bunch of congressmen, different people running for sheriff Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been on it. He's a good friend of mine.

Speaker 2: 3:04

So what we're trying to do, elsa, and why I got attracted to what you do, is just try to explain what's going on. Okay, and we're trying to educate people on the constitution, and we'll refer to the constitution today in our, in our talk. But we're just trying trying to educate the public because we are ill-equipped. We are not. You and I talked about this so many times, about how ill-equipped and uneducated Americans are, about our history, about our form of government. I've had arguments with high school history teachers that being a democracy and a republic are the same thing and this is what we're teaching our kids and they're walking out thinking they know something and all they're doing is programming these kids, and they don't have an original thought of their own. They're being programmed and all they're doing is parroting some liberal teacher that taught them the wrong history of our country, and so we're just trying to get the right answer out there in terms of what we're all about and why we're unique.

Speaker 1: 4:00

I love that, mark. I love it. It's so true. We're so on the same page with that. As you well know, no-transcript. Prepping for today's show and pulling some different things together, I came across this quote from Karl Marx that absolutely perfectly sums up the plan and the intention of what they're doing, and that quote is the first battlefield is to rewrite history. Karl Marx, I mean, wow, erase history, rewrite history, make sure we forget true history. And that is how you control the narrative, because they're telling them what the narrative is right.

Speaker 2: 4:59

Also, you and I did two episodes on your podcast about Marxism. Okay, and you're absolutely right, karl Marx, I'm going to bring him up today. I'm going to start with that because it sets the tone for what's going on today. Okay, and that is a real key to this whole thing. But you could buy, you know, and I know I sent you this as one of the many books I see you've got the Webster 1828 dictionary there, which is, by the way, the dictionary of that's Webster's real dictionary, not the Merriam-Webster crap that's out there.

Speaker 2: 5:29

This is the dictionary that he wrote so that we can memorialize the meaning of the words that we use in the Constitution, in our founding documents, because words have changed and he knew that was going to happen. The guy was brilliant and I lived in the town he grew up in and actually been to his home to see the original dictionary. For example, bare arms what is bare? Bare means handheld. Back then, okay, that's kind of important when you start outlawing a bunch of weapons, knowing what they meant by bare arms, and to them it was just a word that they all understood. Okay, we don't understand bare arms today. Okay, right, that's kind of a big deal to me that we understand what bear arms means.

Speaker 1: 6:08

Yes.

Speaker 2: 6:08

And that's why the definition of war Okay, go to that dictionary and you'll get the real definition as to the way the founders meant it back then. So that's why I sent you that dictionary, because it's such an refer to it all the time. I ask my wife, you know, hey, what do you want for Christmas? She says, oh, I want a dictionary. Hey, mark, what'd you get for Christmas? I got a dictionary.

Speaker 1: 6:27

Got a dictionary. This is such a. This is such a treasure. Like this is one of the things I would grab if the house was burning down. This is one of the things I would grab.

Speaker 2: 6:37

Well, I don't know. I got some wine I would probably take, but oh, definitely.

Speaker 1: 6:44

You definitely can. Not that we would, because we're not like that.

Speaker 2: 6:47

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yes, okay, you know but listen.

Speaker 1: 6:51

But you know, the reality is, if there's, you know, anyone who desperately needs to hear this information, it is them, because they've been so brainwashed and indoctrinated. And you know again and I think you use this phrase before something very close to it they're not being taught and you've all heard this before they're not being taught how to think, they're being taught what to think, and that is so profoundly dangerous. And the proof is culture. Look around, the proof we're living in, the proof of everything that we're going to be talking about today and Mark is going to be enlightening us on, you know, and I know a little bit and largely not only just our conversations, but preparing for our conversations. It's been such a great education for me because I get to learn all this stuff that and I've told you before Mark knows this, some of you know this already I was a slacker.

Speaker 1: 7:42

Ok, don't come for me. I was a slacker in high school. I was kicked out of my history class, my American history. I was kicked out for talking too much. So now, at this stage of my life, all of a sudden I'm saying, oh man, I really wish I'd paid attention and now I don't have to kind of like relearn or, I guess, just simply learn all of the things that I didn't know.

Speaker 2: 8:01

I know where you went to school. You're probably smart. You didn't pay attention.

Speaker 1: 8:05

If you catch my drift, if you catch my drift.

Speaker 1: 8:08

You, I, I totally catch your drift and that's very accurate. I could tell stories of of some teachers and you know the stories already, but I won't even go there, Won't even, won't even taken that high road. But yes, yes, yes, and that goes back. But that was a great point, Mark, because this, really, it goes back before me also, but we're going back. I'm 53. So we're going back, you know what? Like 30 years, oh my gosh, yeah, that's about right, 30 years ago. I can reflect on recognizing the indoctrination that was already starting then. And again, it goes way before that as well. As Mark can give us a little history on that too, right.

Speaker 2: 8:48

Yeah, I had to deprogram my kids on a weekly basis, yes, okay, no, guys, lincoln didn't own slaves, right? I had to deprogram them every week on things. It was a lot of work, okay, and it shouldn't have been that. I shouldn't have done that, you know.

Speaker 1: 9:09

No, ironically, my saving grace. The thing that got me in trouble the most in my youth is was my saving grace, and that's that I was ridiculously rebellious and contrary to everything that was said to me, all the time, like I had to do and say and believe the opposite of what I was told. Worked out really well for me, so I'm so thankful for that.

Speaker 2: 9:23

You seem like a person who would just fall in line and agree to everybody, don't I, though? I know I mean, come on, I'm so agreeable. Now you know what you know.

Speaker 1: 9:31

It's funny, mark. I'm so agreeable now If you told me that two plus two is five.

Speaker 2: 9:43

I'd say okay, sure, and it's believe that, you believe that.

Speaker 1: 10:18

I like that one too. I'm going to use that one. I like that. It's really good.

Speaker 2: 10:22

Anyway, but let's start here because you mentioned Karl Marx. By the way, you know the Communist Manifesto. I think it's like six bucks on Amazon, 10 at the most. It takes an hour to read Elsa. Please buy it. If you have listeners listening, buy it. Please read it. Listen to what Marx has to say, and Frederick Engels is the other author of that document. There's 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto and as you read that document and go through those 10 planks, ask yourself does anything look familiar of what's going on today? And if you didn't, if you walked away with the answer no, then you don't know how to read.

Speaker 1: 10:56

You need to go read it again, my friends, right, right.

Speaker 2: 10:58

That means you went to public school and you know how to read, okay. But anyway, and by the way, education is part of that whole thing. Control the education, okay, so. So the whole idea here is is is is get educated, right, understand and all that, and I think you'll see a lot of parallels and the episodes that we did on Marx talks about those parallels, okay.

Speaker 2: 11:20

So I want to start with Karl Marx again. We keep coming back to our buddy Karl Marx and Frederick Engels. Yeah, it was written in 1848. I wasn't alive back then, by the way, I wasn't alive in 1848.

Speaker 2: 11:34

The whole notion of this thing was there's a class struggle and history is driven by this class struggle that people had to deal with throughout their lives. And the two, how he set this up and he set this whole tone of what we call resentment based politics right, which I'll talk about where that derived from a little bit later. But the bourgeoisie, I should say, is what he pitted against the proletariats. The bourgeoisie is the middle class, the people who own businesses, your garages, your flower shops, your, you know, back in 1848, all the people that had some level of commerce. You'd be that guy, okay, because you have a business, you're an author, you have a podcast, you do other things right. And the proletariats were just basically the working class, okay, and what they looked at here is, you know, the bourgeoisie is the owners of capital that took advantage of the working class, of the proletariats, everything they have came from, extorting from them their labor, their money, their wealth and all that.

Speaker 1: 12:43

That's the division that this guy created and let me pause you for a second just to ask was that a perception or a reality of the time?

Speaker 2: 12:52

Well, it doesn't mean that the classes didn't exist, right? The motivation, see, karl Marx made and you asked this question on one of our podcasts earlier, which was a really good question, you know was he evil and did he really believe this stuff? Well, he really did believe that. The wealthy, if you will and, by the way, I'm not talking about the billionaire Musk level people, I'm talking about the people that own businesses around your community yeah, they exploited the working class. Okay, so he believed that there was exploitation going on, didn't recognize that people have different intelligence, different skills, different talents. Okay, I can't do Kamala. Okay, you do Kamala. Okay, I could try to do Kamala.

Speaker 1: 13:30

And nor would any sane person want to.

Speaker 2: 13:34

Well, I never accused you of being sane?

Speaker 1: 13:35

No, thank you.

Speaker 2: 13:37

Nor me. But the point, though, is that, hey look, mark Deluzio, I'm 5'10", I'm Italian, I can't play in the NBA. Okay, sorry, there ain't no Italian, white Italians in the NBA at 5'10", okay, and even if I could, it wasn't going to work. I didn't have the skills and talent to play in the NBA, so you know. So you look at that and you say to yourself okay, there's certain things I can't do. Mark can't play, okay, and I can't do Kamala.

Speaker 2: 14:00

That's not what he thought. Okay. He thought hey, look, if you have a talent, like you do, you have many talents, by the way, you're exploiting people by profiting off those talents, okay. So he looked at the class worth, uh, warfare here, regardless of your talent, of your work. Uh, when you look at, why are we letting people else out of jail? Why are we letting all these criminals go? There still exists a. They're there because they got exploited. Okay, and if it wasn't for you rich, tyrannical people, and why they take billionaires like mosk and bezos and those guys and they kind of you know and trump, okay, if it wasn't for you guys, they wouldn't be in jail. There's a reason why people let these guys out of jail, because it further drives the narrative of what this class warfare is all about. Okay, so that's not a. That's not a. That's not a incompetence. They're very competent at what they're doing.

Speaker 1: 14:55

Okay.

Speaker 2: 14:56

And you mentioned a couple of quotes here which I'd like to start with here, before we get onto what's going on today. You mentioned one of the Marxist quotes. Here's another one Religion is the opium of the people. Okay, so one of the things that you're going to find with communism which you can argue is Marxism is and, by the way, communism being defined as the state owns all means of production and all property, all property, everything. Okay, including that book that's on your shelf. Here's another. You'll love this one. This is a guy you'd really want babysitting your grandkids. The only antidote to mental suffering is physical harm. How's that one for you?

Speaker 1: 15:32

Here's a beauty.

Speaker 2: 15:32

Okay, and this is in the Communist Manifesto, if you pick it up. The theory of communism can be summed up in a single sentence the abolition of private property. Wow, the abolition of private property. Okay. So he wanted a classless society, but he wanted the proletariat, the working class, be the ruling class. Okay, and one of the miscalculations he made was assuming that if there was evil and corruption and tyranny in the business owners, in the bourgeoisie, then why wouldn't there be that in the proletariat class? That's a big miscalculation he made. And certainly there's tyranny in both and dishonesty and immorality in both classes. It's throughout. I don't care how you want to slice up society, it exists everywhere. Whether it's veterans, there's some bad veterans.

Speaker 2: 16:23

Whether it's politicians actually, in this case, I said there's some good ones Doctors, lawyers go down the list, I don't care. Podcasters okay. There is a bell curve of morality. There's a bell curve of tyranny of people who are narcissists. So his miscalculation was that the proletariats were going to be pure and they were going to all do the right thing and they were going to be the people controlling this thing called communism. And that was a really, really, really big miscalculation he made. Now let's turn to one of our other favorite communists Lenin. The goal of socialism is communism.

Speaker 1: 16:53

And I think the term communism, I think, greatly gets reinterpreted, misinterpreted, however you want to phrase that by modern day, and even I mean, I don't even have to say modern day like probably even like the 60s, you know, and 70s and so on, all the way up through today, is that they like to dress communism up as this pretty little hippie dippy community type thing and, as you stated earlier, that's not what it is. It's not. You're, all you know, sharing the baskets of fruit together and everybody's living happily coexisting, and you know all of their pretty little phrases that they like to use this is, this is government control of every and ownership of everything that you do. It's not what they believe it is right. I mean, is that a truthful statement to say that there's?

Speaker 2: 17:44

Who do they learn from? How would they know what communism really is? And it's the people that came from communist countries that really know and can scratch their heads how college kids today. And, by the way, that basket of fruit that you talked about has one apple in it and it's rotten okay yeah, absolutely that's it all, right you know, trump had a really neat one uh.

Speaker 2: 18:01

When he's talking about venezuela, people say, oh, you know, uh, they look at sweden as this, uh, as this mecca of of socialism, and how well it works. Well, first of all, if you really understand sweden and I've been in many times it's a. It's a Okay, it has socialistic policies, just like we do. Okay, yeah, social security is a socialist policy. The way we tax people now is socialist. 16th Amendment we maybe talked about that last time and with the graduated income tax, we got rid of the apportionment clause in the Constitution, so now you can do graduated tax rates, which is, by the way, one of the 10 planks of the communist manifesto.

Speaker 2: 18:33

Okay, it's interesting how that works. Right, and we passed that in 1913, the 16th amendment. But when you look at, when you look at all of this and you say you know Trump's? Trump said he uses Venezuela as a as a real, terrible example of what socialism can do, people say, oh well, that's because socialism wasn't implemented correctly in Venezuela. And Trump responded no, no, it's because socialism was implemented to perfection in Venezuela. Okay, that's what happened. Okay, and I thought that was an unbelievable comment he made.

Speaker 1: 19:04

It's a powerful statement and accurate, right yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:07

And then there's a couple more Lennon quotes. I just throw these out here. You're going to love this one. Give me four years to teach your children, and the seed I will have sown will never be uprooted.

Speaker 1: 19:15

How true is that man?

Speaker 2: 19:18

So you didn't pay attention.

Speaker 1: 19:19

Yeah, if it doesn't, I tell you, anybody watching right now, man, if that doesn't make your blood boil, if that doesn't just fill you with righteous anger and rage.

Speaker 1: 19:30

It's calculating, it is so calculating and you know, mark, I did unrelated at the time, but now, as we're talking, I realize how incredibly wildly related it is. I got it in my head Don't ask me why I get these ideas and then I have to, you know, run full steam with them. And I was wondering I was, you know, I think I'd seen, like maybe I don't know a meme or a quote or something about Freud, and then it just sent me on this whole other chain of thought. So I started doing this research on like, why Freud, like, why did his ideas, his theories become so ingrained in our culture, our psyches? You know, for lack of a different term, really it's probably an accurate term why did that become our, our goalpost, our guide, not our goalpost, our guide of psychology and behavior and all of those things? And then that got me to wondering who else was coming up to prominence at that time? Was there somebody who had a different perspective? And blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1: 20:32

Well, yes, there was. There was Sigmund Freud, and there was Alfred Adler, who started off under Freud and kind of went along with his theories and ideas and all of those things until he didn't. And then he was kind of like, yeah, that's now you're getting a little crazy. All this stuff You're like you're way over the top. No, I'm more focused on so Adler, focused more on actual real, uh, healing, accountability, uh, taking responsibility for yourself, moving your life forward instead of Freud's concepts and ideas, which is, you know, basically forever being in therapy, therapy, talking about your problems and, you know, in hyper, focusing on self and inner self and all of the things, rather than moving forward.

Speaker 1: 21:16

And my, this is my long wind of saying, winded way of saying all of this was happening, beginning like in the fifties and sixties all around, probably the same time where this progressivism really was taking root, not to say that it hadn't started early we know, of course, that it did but it just got into the psyche, the minds of a whole new generation, and that has just been getting worse and worse and worse. But it was an entirely cooperative effort between government, the medical field and basically, people in power, so as to control the masses. Because if you keep them mentally ill, if you keep them physically ill, if you keep them from knowing your history, knowing truth, having any of these moral, social markers to guide your behavior, what we get is what we have right.

Speaker 2: 22:09

Well, it's a really insightful point you're making, because uh did you learn about Adler in school?

Speaker 1: 22:15

No, I did not. Never even heard of him.

Speaker 2: 22:16

Did you learn about Nietzsche, okay, who predicted a hundred million deaths coming out of communism? His only problem was he was off by about 300 or 400 million. I said 1,000. He predicted 100 million deaths because of communism. He died in 1900, but he lived during the time of Marx and Nietzsche. We never learned about Nietzsche, okay, friedrich Nietzsche, nietzsche is another one of those philosophers, and along with Adler, who pushed back on this Freudian, because the Freudian philosophy fit the narrative better. Yes, fit the narrative better. Yes, okay, it fit the narrative. And when you start saying, oh, you gotta take self accountability and take care of yourself before you start changing the world, change yourself first. I don't want to hear that.

Speaker 2: 22:51

Okay, no, that's no fun, no no, and and and no, you're, you're absolutely so. Anyway, either that conspiracy theorist, and I think you're correct, okay, but I don't know. I'm a conspiracy analyst. I like that All my conspiracies have come true so far.

Speaker 1: 23:09

Yes, hate to say it, but they have.

Speaker 2: 23:12

I really do hate to say it, because they weren't good.

Speaker 1: 23:14

Would rather not be right. I would love to not be right. I really would love it. I would be thrilled to not be right way.

Speaker 2: 23:20

Millions died. Okay, we start looking at uh, let's talk about Nietzsche, for example the world of power. He's the one that came up with the phrase resentment based politics, okay, and, and he has some very interesting thoughts about, um, people suffer and you know, you and I talked about grief, right, we all have grief in our lives. Everybody is not nobody's immune from grief and you know, I know some people that think that every day, eight billion people get up and think the first thing they think about before their feet hits the floor is how they're going to get screwed by the 8 billion people. All of them are thinking about this. One person. Okay, all 8 billion of them in the world, around the world, they're thinking how am I going to screw John Smith? That's what John Smith is thinking and that's how they're geared Right. And that goes back to the Freudian thing you talked about.

Speaker 2: 24:03

Ok, and so the Nietzsche saying hey, you know, suffering needs an outlet, it needs a target. Ok, and the more I studied him, the more I said that's probably why so many narcissists get attracted to politics. Hmm, wow, yeah, yeah, because you need, you need to have. This whole resentment based thing is about if you're deprived of power, your natural tendency is to react Right, okay, and you're forced to find some kind of I don't know compensation for loss of that power. Okay, and it can be done in a lot of different ways. Maybe my podcast is the way I do it, I don't know. Okay, but it's a natural thing that we all have.

Speaker 2: 24:46

Now you take these tyrannical narcissists that are running things and use that to their advantage to gain more power, ok, so? So what does that mean? You know, by the way, nietzsche said the rise of communism will lead to the death of Christianity, and communist communism will lead to 100 million deaths. 100 million, and communism will lead to 100 million deaths. 100 million. And he was, like I said, when you start looking at Stalin, who we were, you know, taught he was an ally, right, we don't know. 100 million he killed of his own people. You know, in World War II, when the Russians got captured by the Germans and they returned after the war was over, and you know, germany lost. Those people that got back to Russia were sent to concentration camps, in gulags, because he thought their minds were polluted.

Speaker 1: 25:31

Now, okay, that's what Stalin did?

Speaker 2: 25:34

He starved the Ukrainians. Okay, a hundred plus million, we don't even know how many. You had Pol Pot. You had Mao Zedong. You had Hitler. Of course, we all learned about Hitler. So all of these people that killed masses of millions and millions and hundreds of millions of people around the world because of communism.

Speaker 2: 25:50

Okay, yeah, well, what happened was the intelligentsia all the bright people that are smarter than you and me, okay, started saying, hey, the bodies are piling up and this ain't good. Okay, so we got to soften our approach. So what did they do? A lot of the intelligence that came out of France, okay, in our universities they said we need to now do censorship, social media, cancel culture. I was canceled for two years when I ran for Congress. Linkedin canceled me because of a comment I made. They had to let me back on because I was right about my comment. They call it misinformation. Two years and in my business, I'm kind of a rock star in what I do and two years I was off of LinkedIn, which is a big deal. The thought police in our institutions, as we all love these professors who are programming our kids, Right, and just look at some of the policies that came out. Like Canada, you cannot legally now, if you refuse to call somebody by their preferred pronoun, you can go to jail.

Speaker 1: 26:39

Can you imagine? We don't even have to imagine it's real yeah imagine.

Speaker 2: 26:46

We don't have to imagine, it's real. Yeah, it's not imagining, it's, it's real time. Yeah, I understand this happened here and I have to verify it, but in the uk, if you pray in front of an abortion clinic, it's illegal. You could be taken away. In some of the european eu countries now they, uh they if you criticize the government, you could be put away. Okay, canceling of god taking god out of our classrooms. You know I did this whole thing on your last episode about and I have a podcast episode, it's my episode 41 on my Constitution. Solution is talking about the separation of church and state and how they got so misconstrued, so using that now to take God out of our classroom. Remember communism they do not want you to pray to a God they want you to pray to. They want to be your.

Speaker 1: 27:21

God. They want to be your God. They want to be your, your higher power. No competition, yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:26

And that's why. That's why a lot of, a lot of, uh um, communists communists are are atheist. Okay, yes, it's not by accident. Um, on my episode six, I talk about nullification and the alien sedition Act. But John Adams, part of the provision of the Alien Sedition Act was he wanted, it was a law that a journalist could be jailed for criticizing the government. And Thomas Jefferson and Madison pushed back when they were governors of the respective states Virginia and Kentucky, I believe pushed back and said, no, we ain't following that law because it's a violation of the First Amendment. Okay, and it was. And it got repealed. Okay, and that was John Adams that wanted that. Okay, uh, one of our founders. So they weren't always on the same page, of course, right, but but if you look at and this happens on both sides of the aisle, but mostly on the left side tell me what the left has built, and I talk about the left one, but the far, the progressives, the progressives coming out of woodrow wilson's age yeah a progressive.

Speaker 2: 28:22

All that means if anybody, if anybody, wants to have a quick definition. They have a disdain for our Constitution. And they're also smarter than you. They're more advanced than you, elsa and me. Their thinking is so above the fray, and if you don't believe me how brilliant they are, just ask them. They'll tell you.

Speaker 1: 28:40

They'll be happy to tell you, mark, I got the wildest and I get a lot of wild comments, but this was the one that really made my head shake. A guy I just happen to know this guy it doesn't matter if it was a man or woman, but I just happen to know it was a guy commented on a post a while back and it's always stuck with me in that head shaker way. He said listen, I'm a progressive, we're on the opposite side of things. I get that. But listen, I'm a progressive, we're on the opposite side of things, I get that, but at the end of the day, we all really do want the same things.

Speaker 1: 29:10

No, we don't. You are clearly not understanding what you are, what you claim to be. So I think you need to go back and relearn that and you might find out that you're actually a conservative but you're not a progressive. You can't tell a progressive cannot tell a conservative, or vice versa, that, oh, we really want, at the end of the day, is the same things. No, we do not know, my love, we definitely you know, it's a great.

Speaker 2: 29:33

It's a great point. That's why I want them to read the communist manifesto. The crap that they believed in is communism.

Speaker 1: 29:39

Yes, and this is why I love Charlie Kirk so much. Do you love Charlie Kirk?

Speaker 2: 29:43

I adore, I've spent time with him, yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:51

Please, if you see him again, tell him how much I love him and he's just so wonderful and the way that he challenges these college students to stop and think, you know, and by questioning them and I think that I don't want to call it a tactic, because I don't, I don't, I just don't like that word when it's referring to something that's so positive really, his technique is to have them explain themselves, like, explain your point and then I will counter it, but I'm giving you it gives them the space to say what they have to say or want to say, and then he challenges them to make it make sense basically, and they can't them to make it make sense basically, and they can't that. I I have yet to hear one who has you know, quote-unquote bested him.

Speaker 2: 30:29

Uh, what happens is these kids and I've watched a lot of those that charlie I spent an hour and a half one-on-one with charlie, by the way and, uh, and, and, um, they, they, uh, by the way, he's really tall, he's really tall he's like six, five or something, isn't he? He's tall, he's up there yeah, he's a boy.

Speaker 2: 30:44

Being short Italian, everything looks tall to me, but anything anyway. See, the problem is they come out of these classes and they're parodying these soundbites from their professors without any critical thought. As a matter of fact, if they do want to challenge the professors, they'll get penalized. Okay, yes, that's the cancel. Culture, culture. Okay. So they come out with these, these one-liners and Charlie's. Well, what do you mean? What do you mean? There's systemic racism in our politics. We just elected a black president twice, right? We have a black governor. We have a black Senator. We have a black. You know what are you talking about? Well, that's different, right, it's always different.

Speaker 1: 31:18

It's always different, it's always fricking different, Right? And the reality is, is you? You've gone in and disproved your own point with barely even trying. You know, just by the mere fact that if what you were saying was true, none of these things that have occurred Black president, leaders, all of those, none of those things could have possibly happened. If what you say is true, right, Right.

Speaker 2: 31:36

They have no substance to back it up and then, sooner or later, it turns into name. Once it turns into name calling, then you know you've won and it's not about winning, by the way but it always turns into oh, you're a racist, right. What do you know? You're a white woman. You don't understand what it's like to be, you know. And when you're a guy it's even worse. It's like you're a white guy.

Speaker 1: 31:53

Oh yeah, that's the kiss of death.

Speaker 2: 31:55

So dividing us by race, by income, by wealth, bisexual preference. They talk about the LGBTQXYZ community. There's no community. Tell me where this community lives. There's no community. Okay, yeah, and you know.

Speaker 1: 32:10

I know people who are transgender, and I know people who are gay, and the ones that I know all say the same thing, which is just leave me alone. I just want to live my life. I don't want a spotlight on me, I don't want to be the center of attention, I just want the opportunity to live my life quietly, you know, and, and I don't want to bother anybody and I don't want anybody to bother me, and I respect that. I don't, just because my, uh, my faith beliefs, my, my biblical beliefs don't align, uh, with that lifestyle, uh, as human beings, whatever the letter of the law allows you to do and be, it's none of my business and I stay out of it.

Speaker 1: 32:51

I've never made it my business to get involved in somebody else's sexuality or their preferences or any of those things, until they made us get involved. I don't want to be bothered, I don't want to know. I'm busy living my life, I can't be bothered. But now you make it our business, and that wouldn't have been the case otherwise. So you know, this is a very you know to your point. This is a very select group of people that are making something out of what's kind of nothing.

Speaker 2: 33:17

They need to have a group to use as a victim, okay, and then use that for their you know for for power. And so you know, when you, when you look and I think I've told you the story before a woman from a foreign country I won't tell you from where, but she said to me you know, you're, you're successful, mark, because of your white male privilege. And I'm like well, that means all white males here should be successful, right, I know a lot of people are man. They're not successful by any scale. Okay, they're white and they're male. Okay, and the rich should pay more in taxes.

Speaker 2: 33:54

I said well, why do you want to pay more taxes? I'm not rich. Do you make between $20,000 and $30,000? No, I make more than that. Well then, you're rich On global standards. You're wealthy, Right? No, that's not what I'm talking about. What are you talking about? I said because I could make you the oppressor by putting you in a group, and that's what you're doing to me, okay. For example, what are you talking to me on right now? She says I'm talking to you on an iPhone Have's in the middle of China, three hours outside of Shanghai, by plane.

Speaker 2: 34:24

And that's where Oxconn makes all their iPhones. One plant has up to 500,000 employees in it Children, women mostly. Okay, and children, okay, by you paying. And their iPad plant has 100 to 200,000, okay, I'm talking about, like, the city of Scottsdale, where I just came from, had 250,000 residents okay. So factories in China, where I just came from, had 250,000 residents. Okay. So factories in China this 14 million people in this town is the seventh biggest town in China, okay. So I said, look, by you buying an iPhone, you're, you're, you're supporting child labor. You're an oppressor. No, that's different. That's not. That's not what I'm talking about. No, no, no class, you are an oppressor of child labor, slave labor. Okay, I love that you did that. No, no, that's different. That's not what that means.

Speaker 2: 35:08

Okay, fine, okay I mean and I've had relatives say, well, your success is only because you got lucky, and my response is, yeah, I agree, I was born in the united states. I mean, if I wasn't born here, okay, with all the, I came from nothing, as you know.

Speaker 1: 35:21

I explained my history to you I first apartment, my had.

Speaker 2: 35:24

We didn't have a bathroom and, by the way I look back at that, I would live like a king even then. Yeah, where I've been in the armpit of this world, okay, sure.

Speaker 1: 35:35

Okay, I almost wonder if the cure-all for all of this you know America hate from particularly the left. I wonder if it could all be cured with a plane ticket to a third world country you know, or just one way, please yeah. Any genuinely impoverished and oppressed culture. Just just pay a nice long visit there and you'll be coming back like Katy Perry from space and kissing the dirt that is the soil of America.

Speaker 2: 36:08

Don't get me started on that.

Speaker 1: 36:09

I know we won't even go there. We won't even go there. We'll go back to this or at least one of the points of the progressive plan really which is to divide us all into groups and then to make us all mad at each other so that we're not paying attention to what they're doing over there.

Speaker 2: 36:33

Right, I look back at history and I look back at our presidents and you know we talked a lot about Woodrow Wilson, how he's the father of the progressive movement and the damage he did to our country, and I have all episodes on Woody, but to me he's tied with another president that I think did the most damage to our country. And everybody says, you know, joe Biden was our worst president and you know I think it was Barack Obama. And because he did more to provide us than anything and if you really look at Obama, he was a community organizer.

Speaker 2: 37:10

I always say follow the money right, community organizers do not make money when people get along, because Al Sharpton, jesse Jackson, any of these race baiters, they don't make money when people get along, and it seems true with a lot of our government. We have to have this division. So he created this race thing. We had the likes of Oprah Winfrey, who perhaps is the richest woman in the world. I don't know, I don't keep track of her wealth, but she's up there. Never, ever would have gotten that wealth anywhere else in the world but the United States of America. You tell me how racist we are. Kamala Harris, go to Japan and try to run for prime minister. Okay, see how well that works out for you, right, yeah, and so forth and so on. So these people who are, and Obama, we elected twice and he would not have been elected without the white vote. Right, okay, absolutely Right. So he comes in and he did this in this community organizer, became our president and, and my god, he was such a skilled politician, he was unbelievable him and bill clinton phenomenal.

Speaker 2: 38:13

I don't know, I think which one was better. Both of them are phenomenal. Okay, yeah and um, but they look at oppressed status and he used race more than anybody yes, okay, and created these victims and dividing our country. And when you look at than anybody, okay, and created these victims and dividing our country. And when you look at this, you know, and I think I told you the story when my son died in 2010, we did not get a call from obama, right, but michael brown's mother did the terror of ferguson, the guy that tried to steal the gun from the cop got shot. In the meantime, accosted a woman at a convenience store minutes earlier. Uh, this is the guy that Obama said, hey, michael Brown needs to. If I had a son, that would be the model son I would want. And his mother got a call from Obama when Michael Brown got killed. Okay, we didn't get one, and I think I told you.

Speaker 2: 38:55

President Trump, in 2019, nine years later invited us to the White House and celebrated my son and my family Privately. Nobody knew about it. It was us and other gold star families. So you know, you look at this guy and you start it all, starts adding up, um, as to what's going on. It's okay now to justify means, justify the ends. When we kill a healthier ceo, right, he's an oppressor. Okay, I didn't get my insurance claim paid because, well, not the policy said I should get paid or not. They screwed me. They take health care insurance companies. Meanwhile, follow the money of health care insurance companies, funneling money into the people that say they're tyrannical. Into Congress, yeah, into politicians, okay.

Speaker 1: 39:35

Yeah, it's enough to make your head explode, really, when you start connecting all those dots and, like you said, following the money. When you start doing that, talk about perspective shift. It's an eye-opener.

Speaker 2: 39:48

Now we just opened up the Pandora's box for open season on healthcare CEOs, just like they did with President Trump on assassinations Justified because of the things he's doing to our country, and it's always a but it's like oh no, I don't agree with violence, but I can see why they think that way.

Speaker 1: 40:06

Yeah, I love how they go from being, you know, shaking their fists and doing marches for, you know, not victim shaming and things like that. And then when it's somebody they don't like like, we're going to victim shame the heck out of this guy because we don't like him. So now it's okay to victim shame, now it's good.

Speaker 2: 40:22

I get the kick that they're burning Teslas now, but they're using fossil fuels. How about that? Using fossil fuels to burn Teslas? Trump's got those guys spinning man.

Speaker 1: 40:33

He's got them spinning.

Speaker 2: 40:36

They're out there now doing all the campaigning for the Republicans on fighting for these MS-13 gang members, going down and visiting, doing all that kind of stuff. He's got them burning Teslas. You just can't make this stuff up, man.

Speaker 1: 40:49

You just can't. I mean, you know the upside is, you know, as frustrating and contemptible and disgusting as all of this is, the good part is that this all but ensures another four years, maybe hopefully eight more years, after President Trump's term of Republicans being in office. We just have to get rid of the rhinos and, and you know, and get them to really help him get the job done.

Speaker 2: 41:15

But I'm hoping I'm hoping it's I'm focused right now on the next two years that we get Congress back. Ok, and otherwise. And you know, and I really do believe you know, I did a whole episode on the 16th Amendment and talked about the fact that that before the they said, oh well, the 16th Amendment gave Congress the right to tax our income. No, we always, they always had the right from day one in 1787, to tax our income. And Lincoln did put an income tax in in 1862 to pay for the Civil War. Okay, and that's for 10 years.

Speaker 2: 41:46

And then another tax came in, uh, the wilson gorman act that reduced tariffs and put an income tax. But it was a flat tax and the congress, the supreme court, rejected it because it was a flat tax and it did not fit the apportionment clause where it said the states were the ones that had to pay taxes to the federal government. How the states collected, it was primarily through excise taxes and and tariffs. Okay, no, income income tax. Now the tax burden is all on the individual. With the 16th Amendment. It doesn't mean Congress has to tax you that way, but it opened the door to do that.

Speaker 2: 42:10

Now with the 16th Amendment it didn't give Congress the right to tax our income because they already had that right, and they already did it A hundred years earlier or whatever, 70 years earlier, right? What it did was got rid of the apportionment clause that said that the taxes had to come in proportion to the states from the state's population. If you're 5% of the population, your state has to pay 5% of the tax to the federal government. But it allowed us for the graduated income tax, which meant the flat tax which everybody still wants. Right. It allowed for the graduated income tax, which is one of those ten tenets of the Communist Manifesto. Ok, and so right there in the 16th Amendment, we legislated in a plank of the Communist Manifesto and everybody missed it. Everybody missed it. Back then I wasn't alive, I can't, you know.

Speaker 1: 42:57

Yeah, you have to blame for this one.

Speaker 2: 43:00

What I have. I don't know. You know back then, with no, you know Internet either what I have. I don't know. Back then there was no internet either. Right and the Federal Reserve got passed, and at night on the 23rd of December, when Congress was away, that got passed. We got screwed in 1913 with Woody Wilson and the whole thing, your guy A whole other episode on that.

Speaker 2: 43:25

But going back to our friend Obama here, he really did damage and rekindkindled. I think we're on a really good track on racism. I'm not saying we were not didn't have racists in our country. We always will, right always well always we made so much progress and if you ever notice, the left never, ever invokes the words of martin luther king never. Whenever you heard that you're right I noticed these things. It's like wait a minute where's, where's, where's, where's martin luther okay heard that never.

Speaker 2: 43:43

You're right, I noticed these things it's like wait a minute, where's where's? Where's where's martin luther? Okay, and how come you're not bringing him out? Because he doesn't get the narrative. They don't want you to get along. He did, and he was a flawed man, like all of our founders and like we all are flawed yeah, he was a man all the way through the bible.

Speaker 2: 43:59

But he, he wanted us to get along. Content. Content your character, not the color of your skin, right? Yeah, that doesn't work anymore. And notice that since Obama, especially King, is never mentioned, and who gets invited to the White House is Louis Farrakhan.

Speaker 1: 44:14

Yeah, if nothing else, just those facts alone should be enough, should be enough to open people's eyes a little bit. And yeah, and I think that probably leads us really like to wrap this up perfectly, because we're not like the left, we like to actually talk about solutions and not just problems. Right? What? I guess it's probably a multi-pronged answer here. Or question One constitutionally, what do we have to be watchful of, careful of? I mean, we're still, you know, I know we have Trump in office and everything, but obviously we have so many bad actors acting actively against him, against this administration.

Speaker 1: 44:55

And, by the way, and tell me if you agree or not, in my heart, I truly believe that Trump, specifically, and then his administration, hopefully, are all on the same page of getting back to what is constitutionally right in this country. And that's really what they're trying to do Give the states back the power that belongs to the states, limit federal government, which, by the way, I mean it should literally be what we all want. Irony of ironies, that the left fights this tooth and nail, and I don't mean leftist leaders. I think there's a huge divide between leftist leadership and their sorry guys, their minions, you know, their peasants. Essentially, the peasants are the ones that are. You know, they think they're doing the right. I think they really think they're doing the right thing.

Speaker 2: 45:42

They don't understand Right. Yeah Well, president Trump. Ok, so I would argue that in my lifetime he is the most constitutionally centered president we've had. Is everything he's doing constitutional? No Right, like terrorists? Believe it or not? Is a job for the legislature to call terrorists, not the president.

Speaker 2: 46:03

But, there's a law in place that allows him to do that, okay, okay, which is kind of crazy, yeah, but the point, though, is this he is trying to adhere as much as possible to the Constitution. The Department of Education is a non-constitutional agency. It should go away Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 46:17

And bring the rights back to the states. Marxists don't want that, because one of the planks is control education In the Communist Manifesto. That's why we've got to read that document, right? Yes, and Marxists don't want that. And why is he getting all this pushback? He's pushing back on the military-industrial collateral damage with war that we shouldn't be in. Iraq was a lie. Vietnam was a lie. If you look at the Bay of Tonkin and how Johnson lied about it and got us in there. So you look at all these wars. There's a lot of money in war. There's a lot of money in an unhealthy America and there's not a lot of money in a limited government. That's the issue. Again, go back to all three things of all the money. And so I look at this and see what Trump, president Trump, is doing. I don't say Trump, by the way. I don't call him Trump, I call him President Trump. Okay, even when I write it on Facebook or on social media, I'll write President Trump, I won't call him Trump.

Speaker 1: 47:14

I am in the same boat. I try and always refer and I don't always remember, but I try very hard to always say President Trump, for multiple reasons.

Speaker 2: 47:25

And he's doing the right things and he's fighting for America. He's fighting for Americans. And I have a prediction to make and hopefully you'll say hey, mark, you were right. I think with this whole terror thing, sooner or later he's going to get to a point where he's going to propose we eliminate the income tax just because we have a 60th amendment doesn't mean they have to tax us that way okay, right, and if we go back to excise taxes, uh, tariffs and maybe an income tax, I mean I'm sorry, a uh, some kind of consumption or sales tax?

Speaker 2: 47:52

okay I. If he gets rid of the irs and the income tax now, half, half the people won't be happy because they're going to have to. Half the Americans don't pay taxes, okay, right. But and the liberals will go nuts on that, because the tax system is a way to control you Okay, the income tax system. And I'll never forget my first tax course in college many years ago. My professor said don't ever try to make logic out of the income tax. He said let me give you an example. Why do you think you can get an exemption if you're blind, but if you have no arms and no legs, you can't. He said that to us.

Speaker 1: 48:24

I did not know that this, this is really a thing.

Speaker 2: 48:27

Yeah, you look at, you can get an exemption, for I don't know if they still have it now cause I don't know my taxes I have. I used to do taxes, right, I have. But you get an exemption. If you're blind. You check it off, just like you would if you got a dependent right.

Speaker 1: 48:42

That's pretty wild.

Speaker 2: 48:43

He said why can't you get one if you have no arms or no legs? Because the lobbyist for the blind that put that law in was unbelievably strong and paid a lot of money to congressmen to get that in there.

Speaker 1: 48:53

Again, there it is. Money talks, right, money talks.

Speaker 2: 48:59

They use the tax system to control you. Okay, yeah, and that's just another tenet of trying to do that. And with the graduated income tax, why is that a bad thing? And why does Marx? Why do the communists want that? It's because you want to knock the guys who are productive down, right. You want to knock them down, to be even with the proletariats? Okay, because they don't deserve that money. Elon Musk didn't deserve his wealth. Okay, not at all. He didn't deserve any of it. Okay, right. According to Elizabeth Warren, you know Elon Musk paid more individual taxes one year than anybody in history of the US.

Speaker 1: 49:28

He paid like a billion.

Speaker 2: 49:30

Nine billion.

Speaker 1: 49:31

Nine billion.

Speaker 2: 49:32

Nine billion, who somehow is worth 70 million already and is worth $70 million already and we're trying to figure that out on a $170,000 salary anyway, or $200,000, whatever it is. Elizabeth Warren said he didn't pay enough. That's the class warfare she's playing. She's trying to pit a guy like Musk. Somebody said to me Elon Musk doesn't pay taxes, and I think I told you this last time.

Speaker 1: 49:51

I said well, I'll get a hold of him.

Speaker 2: 49:52

You guys can trade tax liabilities. What do you Right? No, that's different. That's not what I mean. You just said you didn't pay any taxes. You paid $100,000 or $50,000 or whatever in taxes. You certainly want to make that swap. You'd be dumb not to right, right, right, absolutely. I'll tell you what. Well, why is Elon Musk going into space? Well, he could be spending that money that you're going to spend.

Speaker 1: 50:18

Donate it to the homeless.

Speaker 2: 50:20

Donate it to whatever cause you're, you know, passionate about no, let's not get crazy, because they might give it to planned parenthood oh boy, yeah, good point, good point, let's yeah people starving, I'm sure, and I'm sure you can forego that trip. Why do you need to take that trip? Okay, right, by the way. And then I said to him I'll tell you what. When you create livelihood for the hundreds of thousands of people that Elon Musk has, come talk to me.

Speaker 1: 50:42

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 50:43

The jobs he created for people, and not only the jobs he created but the suppliers. It's a multitude, you know, like if a big company like a car company goes out of business, there's like eight jobs for every person. Because of the supply base Right, it magnifies throughout the economy. Okay. Because of the supply base Right, it magnifies throughout the economy, okay, when you have employed as many and provided livelihoods for as many people as Elon Musk has come talk to me.

Speaker 1: 51:04

And then add the next layer to that of the number of lives he's changed and bettered with his inventions and creations and things and all of these things. So you think these idiots think that they're hurting Elon Musk, the multi-billionaire? You think you're hurting him by, you know, tanking his brand, his Tesla brand. He's got 50 million other things going on. Well, you know, it sucks for him. Certainly, I'm sure. I'm sure a hit is a hit right when we're talking about billions of dollars. But yeah, he's going to be perfectly fine, but yeah, he's going to be perfectly fine. You're screwing over workers, You're screwing over African-Americans who are trying to feed their families.

Speaker 2: 51:42

The other crazy thing that Trump has in mind is he had the UAW president singing his praise with all these union workers and coal miners and it's like he's got the union in the White House singing his praises. He's got the liberals burning Teslas with fossil fuels. This guy had done a—I never saw anybody that's a number on a party in my life. Okay, yeah, and, and then, and then you get this, uh, this, uh, uh. Idiot tampon tim there whatever his name is out of minnesota, who is rooting for tesla stock to go into the tank when his own pension plan in his state yeah, you gotta love it, you, you have to love it.

Speaker 1: 52:18

Like, if you don't just laugh, you'll, like your head will explode. Uh, all right, I sidetracked us from from my question. I wanted to ask you and again, and I don't I don't really expect you to have, like, the answer to this, um, but what I I'd love to figure out is how so people who agree with us you know, we get into our echo chambers people who agree with what we're saying are the most likely ones to watch a program like this or someone else who's talking about these things. How in heck's name do we get the people who need to hear these things to hear it? Any ideas, mark?

Speaker 2: 52:55

Well, I think you know you heard the cliche before all politics are local, right um. Where are we losing?

Speaker 2: 53:01

it is at the state level yeah okay with our state representatives and let's just take this. You brought this up before. Let's take the second amendment. Okay, I don't know. It's pretty clear when I read the constitution. It says uh, shall not be infringed. Okay, right to be earned should not be infringed. Okay, very simple. But it is infringed.

Speaker 2: 53:18

And I got to go to my state to get a carry permit to carry my gun and it doesn't apply in all states. Right, okay, why? Because we elected state representatives to write these tyrannical laws that are anti-Second Amendment, anti-constitutional, and we keep voting for these guys. Yeah, okay, we keep voting for them. But every state has the laws that these representatives are writing, these state reps, who they have a job to nullify and to not a job they have an obligation to nullify against tyrannical stuff coming out of the federal government. But they also have taken an oath to protect your constitutional rights and they don't.

Speaker 2: 53:53

The state representatives, for the most part, do not do that. And you start looking at well, wait a minute, you're going to push back on the Department of Education. We're not going to get a $200 million funding this year. Where the hell do you think that funding came from to begin with? Okay, but they'll get kicked out of office if they vote against it, because now you're against education.

Speaker 2: 54:09

But on the Second Amendment and I'm using that as an example is we keep voting for these guys and gals that are taking away our freedoms Because we're not educated. So I still go back to Thomas Jefferson, who says the best defense against tyranny is an educated citizenry. That's the answer, which is why I do this and why you do this, because we got to get educated first. We can't push back on something we think is good. Right, they're doing it for gun safety. Little Johnny just got shot and we're going to have to pass all these gun laws at the state level that are totally infringing on your rights. And I'll go back to Franklin. We learned this in COVID If you're willing to give up a little bit of freedom for a little bit of safety, you deserve neither.

Speaker 1: 54:52

And that's probably my favorite one right there.

Speaker 2: 54:54

I think that's my favorite, it's at the state level. The answers really get educated. But push back under state reps, because that's where we'll make the difference, because then we can start repealing stuff that comes down from the federal government if we get the right people in office. They don't understand these guys and gals in these roles most of them, anyway, don't understand their job. They don't understand why they exist. They take the oath every year or every term that they win, but they don't really uphold that oath because they're crapping on your rights every single day at the state level, and the state is the reason how we can get the federal government back. Look, president Trump's an anomaly. You're not going to get him. You talk all about JD Vance you want. He ain't going to be that guy. Or DeSantis, they're not going to be that guy. I'm sorry, they're not going to be that guy.

Speaker 1: 55:37

Yeah, I think President Trump is a one of a kind everything yeah.

Speaker 2: 55:46

And a lot of what he's doing, if it doesn't get legislated, will be reversed. Okay, and I have a lot of concerns with Mike Johnson, and I've met Mike Johnson and pushed back on him personally in front of 200 people, as you know. I think I told you that story and I have problems with a lot of people in Congress right now that are not, you know, and so they're looking out for their political survival too. Okay, and now Trump is the wave and they're not going to push back on him unless you're dumb, unless you're stupid.

Speaker 1: 56:07

Right, so they're just biding their time, basically.

Speaker 2: 56:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, and I don't believe there is going to be another Trump, so it's got to be done at the state level. That, to me, is the answer. Okay, cause you're not going to have a Trump and you're going to have more tyranny coming from even a Republican that gets elected. I don't see anybody out there that's going to be like him to really push back the way he's pushing back now. I mean, what do you think JD Vance, if he got elected president, would have? Would have closed down the department of education?

Speaker 1: 56:33

That's a great question. Yeah, I mean, I honestly don't. I don't know the answer.

Speaker 2: 56:38

Nope, he doesn't have the wherewithal and the experience either. Right.

Speaker 1: 56:43

You know I have no, I really have no predictions of you know who's going to run, let alone win the nomination for uh, for the Republican party, in a few years. Um, I don't even have any particular hopes for anyone specific. I feel like it's just too soon.

Speaker 1: 56:58

I would very much like to see what JD Vance is going to do with his vice presidency, what kind of impact he can make. I also with that hope that it will include tremendous growth and learning for him, you know to to potentially be the guy I just I don't know. I know that I like him, I definitely like him. I certainly, in this moment, I would definitely not be against a JD Vance run for presidency.

Speaker 2: 57:26

By the way, I don't want to go on record here to say I don't like JD. I like him a lot.

Speaker 1: 57:29

Oh yeah, yeah, it's not, yeah, it's not that at all.

Speaker 2: 57:31

Here are three things I know about him, though. One he was ran anything Like Santa Solis ran a very complex organization called State of Florida. Okay, and when you're the CEO if you don't have any executive experience that's a problem. So he never ran anything. And three I can't just depend on somebody who's really good with the media as qualifications to run for president.

Speaker 2: 57:54

Yeah, because you got to make things happen, you've got to be able to do things behind the scenes that don't get noticed, and make the deals and negotiate and all that. Now maybe he'll be great. I don't know. And I'm not saying he's not a dummy, but the guy's brilliant, it's a whole different lane than what he's really been in. That's why I'm looking at that and saying I can't just drink the Kool-Aid this early. It doesn't mean I would never vote for him or support him.

Speaker 1: 58:23

It's the wait and see time period. It's so early. We just got Trump in. We just got him. Let's enjoy this for a while. He's on his ninth year. He was running.

Speaker 2: 58:38

He was running. I mean, he was running, okay, I mean, and he had an effect during Biden's presidency. So you know, you notice that Biden didn't rescind the tax increases and didn't take down the tariffs for China no-transcript.

Speaker 1: 59:40

They say you know one, I don't want to get involved. And they don't want to get involved because they don't want to get attacked. You know, and if they do get attacked, like if they do speak out, they get harassed and bullied into silence because they feel like they don't have a good enough response to combat the, you know the, the attacks from other people, from people on the left. So the really the only way to answer that or to get confident in that is to know your facts, know the information, and there's no excuses. I've talked about this before just recently. Um, there's no excuses. You know, we used to always say just Google it. The heck with Google. Um, don't, don't Google anything. By the way, like no-transcript, like I'm giving you the tools. I'm giving you guys the tools to be able to respond and come back at these.

Speaker 1: 1:00:55

You know whether it's the ideologies. Uh, you know the woke culture. Um, whether it's the ideologies, the woke culture, when it comes to the transing, our kids and all of those things, if you're afraid to get into it, they're going to tell you that you're being hateful, that you're being racist, that you're being transphobic. Don't get sucked into any of that. Don't just tune it right out and learn how to Charlie Kirk it and just come back at them with explain to me at what point I was being what you are accusing me of, you know, because if you're coming at them with facts and and grace, I don't know if I'd go.

Speaker 1: 1:01:29

Maybe the right word would be love, but I know a lot of people say, well, I'm not gonna love somebody who's you know blah, blah, blah. But facts is number one. Truth is your best friend. Learn it, know it share it every chance you get. I know most people don't want to do what we're doing and take the, you know, the comments and all of that stuff. I, I totally get it and I appreciate that and I respect it. As used to it as I am, it gets me riled sometimes I want to come out, you know, swinging and swearing at people when they come for me in the comment sections. Uh, so yeah, I get it. It's hard, it's definitely not fun, but it's it's incredibly necessary.

Speaker 2: 1:02:07

Yeah, and and I think I think this you know to think about this. You know I have a couple of final questions here, but you know when, one of the questions you can always ask Elsa is hey, hey, I hear what you said here. How does that fit with the constitution? Okay, normally they won't even know what the hell you're talking about. Okay, and you know. And then you get the name calling in. It was like a President Trump. They call him a misogynist. He has more women on his staff. He has the first female chief of staff ever in history. They call him a homophobe. How many gay people are in key positions in his administration? Biden called him a xenophobic. I mean, two of his three wives were foreigners.

Speaker 1: 1:02:48

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2: 1:02:49

Like, really, I don't know what the hell that means. So when they wrote the name calling, though, that's what ends up happening. But to finish off this whole issue about resentment-based politics and pitting groups against each other, the first question I have is this is resentment-based politics designed to keep the focus off of government? And along with that, the second question, a related question, is who do you think are the real oppressors?

Speaker 1: 1:03:12

Yeah, those are deep, big questions. I would love and I'm sure you would too. I would love so much to see what you guys answer those questions with in the comments. So please do give us your thoughts and your perspectives on it, because I think this is a great way to open the dialogue, learn different perspectives, different answers to those questions and, yeah, right, I mean, I think those are phenomenal questions to ask. Thank you for those, you know. I hope this reaches people who need to hear it, for whatever reason, whatever perspective you are sitting in and based in, I hope that this helps you in some way and encourages you to share it with other people, not only because it helps me and helps Mark get our messages out, which is tremendously gratifying and appreciated when you do but it helps other people too. So, and that's the that's the whole goal.

Speaker 2: 1:04:02

So Mark, thank you very much. Don't allow yourself to be put in a class and treated as a group. You're an individual, okay, you're an individual, and don't let people group you and then don't also let people play you as a victim. Once you do that, you're playing. You're a useful idiot playing right into their game.

Speaker 1: 1:04:20

Mark, thank you again so much for joining me today and sharing all of this amazing information. Can you do me the favor and tell everyone where they can find you? I know you have some books out there too, where they can find the podcast, all of that good stuff.

Speaker 2: 1:04:32

Yeah, the podcast can be at 1787solutioncom or you can look it up on Apple podcast, spotify. It's on YouTube rumble and it's called constitution solution One podcast under God, okay, and uh take a look at that and, uh and uh, pick up a cheap copy of the constitution and the declaration.

Speaker 2: 1:04:51

By the way, watch our episodes that Elsa and I did on on the declaration and the constitution because those two there. You'll learn an awful lot and it will arm you with some unbelievable knowledge that will help you navigate through the sea of tyranny that's going to be thrown at you as you debate your liberal relatives and friends.

Speaker 1: 1:05:08

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