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Pope Francis passed away on Easter Monday at age 88 after battling health issues including double pneumonia, triggering worldwide reactions and the process of selecting a new Pope.

• Pope's passing sparked controversial reactions including jokes about JD Vance's recent visit
• Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth sent sensitive information via Signal app for a second time
• Real ID deadline approaches for May 7, 2025, raising questions about government surveillance
• Harvard's $2.2 billion in federal funding threatened despite having a $53.2 billion endowment
• AOC tops several Democratic presidential candidate lists for 2028
• Lancaster, California's Republican mayor made shocking statements about handling homelessness

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Chapters

• 0:00 Show Introduction
• 3:05 Pope Francis's Death and Reactions
• 16:00 Pete Hegseth's Pentagon Signal Controversy
• 31:45 Real ID Deadline Discussion
• 43:00 Harvard's Federal Funding Threatened
• 48:00 Democratic Candidates for 2028
• 55:00 Lancaster Mayor's Controversial Statements

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

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Speaker 2: 0:24

Well, hey, friends, it's another week, it's another episode of Elsa and Clay together again to talk about all the stuff and things. How are you, clay?

Speaker 3: 0:33

I'm good Another packed show. You know, the world never lets us down, never does. Tons and tons of stuff to talk about. So I don't probably. Maybe not as packed as last week, maybe it is, I don't know, but we got a bunch of stuff. There's a bunch, a bunch to talk about. How are you?

Speaker 2: 0:47

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Speaker 3: 1:07

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Speaker 2: 2:09

So, right, the second. Before we came back on air here, I realized that my my chair, the swivel lock is disengaged, which means I have to spend this entire time trying to stop myself from swiveling around like a five-year-old in a clay chair here. So Clay's going to have to give me the, the uh it's a good core workout, right?

Speaker 3: 2:25

I know I mean.

Speaker 2: 2:27

I can totally justify. Yeah, no, it's the little things Clay. This is just so fun for me. I'm so easily amused.

Speaker 2: 2:35

Yeah, so if you see me, right, I mean I'm pre apologizing, I'm doing it on purpose right at this moment, so you can see what I'm talking about. But it's such a comfy chair and I can sit cross leg on it, you know, like, like what do they call it for kids? Crisscross applesauce. Yeah, it's just so fun, so fun, so anyhow, anyhow, on to real things to talk about today. I mean shame on me for segwaying so poorly, very poorly here, but our first topic, right off the bat, is Pope Francis passed away on Easter Monday, which I honestly did not know is referred to as Easter Monday. This is news to me, but that was how it was referred to. He was 88, correct, 88.

Speaker 2: 3:20

And, yeah, very sad for the Catholic community. Lots of lots of things being said, jokes being made in regard to JD Vance having been the last person publicly to, in the public eye, to visit with him, which started a whole firestorm of, you know, not not so nice things being said, yeah, obviously suggesting that you know that he had something to do. And of course it's, you know, people from the left saying like, oh, you know, he goes to visit him and the next thing, you know, the Pope dies the next day. Well, I mean the guy has had decades probably worth of health troubles, you know, well documented. So the scary part was there were definitely some people were actually serious when they implied, or flat out suggested that it's just come on now.

Speaker 3: 4:12

Yeah, if you're, listen, if, if you're Catholic, this is an emotional event, you know it. It this is, I don't know, I think, the fourth time or third time. Fourth time in my life I've been through this, raised Catholic, no longer practicing Catholic. I was eight years of Catholic school. I know that'll surprise a lot of people, but eight years of Catholic school and then so I've been. You know, this has been kind of in my life, my whole life. But you know it's not an exact thing.

Speaker 3: 4:42

But if you haven't seen the movie Conclave, if you haven't seen it, it kind of gives you a. It's a good movie, nice twist at the end is somebody who writes, you know, but it gives you a, an insight into the process that you know of choosing a new Pope, done, you know, by the leadership within the church. But for you know, for Catholics, this is a. It's a period of mourning and, you're right, the reactions are bad. You know there's a lot of tradition and we're talking centuries old tradition when it comes to things like this. And if you've seen the procession of them moving the Pope's body location to another, you know that the escort is draped in dark robes and they've got like very Ku Klux Klan, like pointed hoods on that are black. You know there's people that are making you know, intimate, you know, intimating that this is satanic and all kinds of crazy stuff. You know, and then and then there will come the process. After the morning of the Pope, there will come the process of selecting a new Pope.

Speaker 3: 5:43

I know that Pope Francis was not a favorite of many. He was pretty progressive in a lot of ways for the Catholic Church, which a lot of people did not appreciate. He looked the other way on some things. For somebody like me who grew up in the Catholic Church, when they change things that you were told your entire life, this is the way things are. There's a reason for this. You have to follow this to the letter and then all of a sudden they say well, it's no, not anymore. It's a little hard to swallow and Pope Francis did quite a bit of that while he wore the hat. But anyway, you've got those reactions. Like you said, you've got the JD Vance. There was a similar one for Zelensky. I don't know if you saw that one.

Speaker 2: 6:22

I actually did not see that one yeah.

Speaker 3: 6:24

It was a bunch of pictures of him with different people that he has met with that have now died. Um, you know, but again in poor taste, right? And then you even had Marjorie Taylor green. Did you see this mess?

Speaker 2: 6:37

Oh geez, what did she do?

Speaker 3: 6:38

So she said, uh, in a in a tweet. Um, I think it was in a tweet, might've been in a live speech, but she said evil is being defeated. Now she is an ex-Catholic, is Christian and is not a fan of the Catholic church. She's made statements in the past about Satan is running the Catholic church and some other things. Now there was some speculation because Klaus Schwab, who is kind of the definition of evil, stepped down from the World Economic Forum on Sunday and then, of course, you have the pope pass away on Monday and she made that statement. There's been no clarification from her, but there are some people speculating. She may have been talking about Schwab and not the pope, or Schwab and the pope Right. Either way, in poor taste and poor timing. So you've got that, but you know we're going to go through this. It'll be interesting to see what the church decides if they go to a more progressive or another progressive Pope.

Speaker 2: 7:33

Yeah, that was going to be my question for you what you think they're going to do, because it was so polarizing or he was, I should say, and controversial in a lot of his statements and choices and actions and all of that. So it would be very interesting to see what the Catholic Church decides to do with that. And, similar to Marjorie Taylor Greene, as a Christian I certainly have opinions about the Catholic church and um, the way they do things and um. But yeah, you know, I guess there's a a little bit of it's a timing issue, I guess I listen, I, I got, I got beat up a little bit in the comment sections of a of a post that I made and you know, I certainly I honestly I don't take it back. I don't apologize for it. The only thing I maybe would apologize for is not giving some clarity with it and us making the, the assumption, the wrong assumption that everybody sees the same things that I see. So so I w I will tell everybody.

Speaker 2: 8:40

In case you missed it and you don't, I mean and you don't follow me on Facebook, what, how rude. I'm kidding. Of course, obviously I'd love you to follow, but you know what I mean. Okay, so I posted. I posted this, okay, and yes, I absolutely understand why. Hang on, let me get this guy out of here. I of course I understand why anybody would have been reactive to that if they didn't know why I posted it and what about it that I found funny. So this is why, for those of you who have no idea why I would post something like that clutch your pearls, gasp.

Speaker 2: 9:19

It was actually in response to the many, many posts like this of people, particularly on the left, essentially accusing JD Vance for being the cause, the reason why the Pope died. So it wasn't making fun of the Pope passing, it was making fun of the people who thought such a ridiculous thing. So, listen, I certainly hope that clears the air for people. I'm pretty sure I got a handful. At least people announced their departure from my page. They're like unfollow me because that's not funny. Shame on you. You're a Christian. Shouldn't you know better? Listen, it was a joke. Poor taste, I don't know Maybe, but I thought it was funny. So that's that. But yeah, so lots of reactions. I stopped reading them after a while. I was like looking at a handful, I'm like, oh, touched a nerve there a little bit, I guess.

Speaker 3: 10:17

Yeah, you know that for Catholics, and truthfully I mean for centuries, the Pope has been not just a religious leader but a world leader, or at least has been put in that category because of the influence you know globally by the Catholic church and him. You know whoever him is at the time. The Pope is that, you know, the leader of the Catholic church. So people do, you know it does hit home with some folks, but at the same time, you know you've got a lot of folks who are who are leaving the Catholic church.

Speaker 3: 10:45

Um, because of you know this Pope, um, I know a lot of people when, when he, you know he, he took his stance, you know, with with president Biden, uh, you know about, you know abortion and and you know, and so, um, again, it's the. You know the way the church has been presented for many, many years to many, to a lot of us, and then all of a sudden they take a left turn on things and you scratch your head. You know this Pope outlawed Latin mass. Why, like it, didn't? You know there's a lot of questions asked, you know, but in reality he's been very, very ill for the last few months Respiratory issues and all kinds of things.

Speaker 3: 11:20

And double pneumonia Double pneumonia, yeah, and all of that. And then they say that this was potentially a stroke, that you know that finally took him. So you know it'll be interesting to watch. You know what the Catholic Church decides to do, not just in what type of pope, but geographically there's always a precedent or not a precedent, but there's always a consideration for where the pope, the new pope, comes from in relation to the last few Popes.

Speaker 3: 11:53

So what we haven't seen yet is a is a Pope of any sort of color. You know we have seen Hispanic, but they they have been like Pope Francis, you know, very light skinned, you'd think they were Caucasian, you know kind of thing. But it'll be very interesting to see where the next Pope comes from geographically. And then, and then of leanings this pope has, whether it's very conservative and traditional or very progressive. And I know that Pope Francis, his concern was loss of people in the Catholic Church as a whole. So he was trying to be more progressive, to recruit more, to bring more people to the church. And I think, just from an outsider, I think it kind of backfired a little bit. But it's fun.

Speaker 3: 12:28

It'll be interesting. Not fun, but it'll be interesting to watch as they go into the conclave and there's the voting and the smoke comes out and everybody cheers and we get a new Pope and all that good stuff.

Speaker 2: 12:38

Yeah, how long does that usually take? Is there any time frame?

Speaker 3: 12:41

It could be a day, it could be weeks. Yeah, again, if you watch the movie again, it's not a hundred percent accurate, but it does give you an idea of the process. There's probably a number of Cardinals right now that are, you know, considered to be the next Pope, you know, within the church, and then they'll all get together and there's a lot of politics involved. You know, again, it depends on where you know they want to take the church. You'll have some that are traditional, you have some that are progressive, you have some that are this or that, and then they'll vote, and then they'll narrow down, and then they'll vote again, and then they'll narrow down, and then you know, so it could come to, you know, days, it could be a day, it could be weeks, depending on how long it takes them. So they bring in all the cardinals from around the world, they house them in Vatican city and then they lock them all down when it comes.

Speaker 2: 13:26

I was going to say it's like they're very sequestered, it's very like hush, hush, right Like very little contact with the outside world while it's going on all that stuff, yeah. Fascinating. Yeah, it's going to be very interesting to, I think, but is it always an elderly man Like? Is it always somebody like in our lifetime?

Speaker 3: 13:49

Yes, In our lifetime. Yes, it has been somebody who is, you know, pope John Paul II, which is, you know, the Pope, pope Mobile, the Pope that got shot with you know. You know there's a lot of folks that consider him the last real Pope. He was very traditional, and you know, but in our lifetime it has been someone like that. It has been an elderly or older man, you know, taking on the duty. So I don't know, that's a consideration too. Do they pick somebody younger, right? And who knows, I mean they may pick somebody older on purpose, because it's a. It's a lifetime appointment or an appointment until you choose to retire. So you know, if they put somebody in there who's in their 40s, that pope could be there for 30, 40 years.

Speaker 2: 14:33

Right, yeah, yeah, when you put it like that, it certainly does make sense that there there does need to be some kind of reasonable expiration date on that, right.

Speaker 3: 14:42

Yeah, for sure yeah.

Speaker 2: 14:43

I'm really stepping in it with the Catholics, I think, this week. Listen, I genuinely don't need A true Catholic will forgive you and move on.

Speaker 3: 14:53

That's right.

Speaker 2: 14:54

That's right. I mean, isn't that our whole thing? I mean, catholicism is a branch of Christianity, so we are, you know, same family, different branches, right? I certainly hope that there is a move towards back, towards traditional, simply because in recovery mode from all of the you know um sexual issues with minors and altar boys and all those things over the years that, you know, still doesn't sit right with an entire generation of people.

Speaker 3: 15:32

So we'll see what they do to to try and recover. But uh, it'll be interesting to watch the process, if nothing else.

Speaker 2: 15:47

Right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 15:47

I'm uh I wouldn't say I'm looking forward to watching, but I'm interested in seeing how it plays out. Right, you're always like kind of prefacing how you say that, but yeah, interesting times and boy oh boy, like I said, you know just to kind of expand on it a little bit that the comment section of those posts besides the you know wanting to fight me was really a fascinating insight to the sentiments of Catholics and non-Catholics and and just people in general and and yeah, I mean it was definitely representative of um, all the sentiments you know of the. You know extreme reverence and support and and love um for the Pope and sadness at his passing to the outright, you know mean, and everything in between. So you know, it's like you said, that the reactions to this and what they do next is really, I think, incredibly pivotal for the Catholic Church as a body, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 16:41

Well, and listen, I'm not going to make any predictions. You know me, I love to make them and I'm usually pretty accurate. You're pretty good at it, yeah, yeah. Well and listen, I'm not going to make any predictions.

Speaker 2: 16:47

You know me, I love to make them and I'm usually pretty accurate, but you're pretty good at it.

Speaker 3: 16:48

Yeah, I'm a little too far removed from this. I'm not. I'm not predicting it. However, changing topics, yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:56

My boy is trying to make me right.

Speaker 3: 16:58

He is.

Speaker 2: 16:59

Dude, he's got to stop it.

Speaker 3: 17:00

He's trying to prove me right, Dude. He's got to stop it.

Speaker 2: 17:02

He's trying to prove me right.

Speaker 3: 17:04

So for those that didn't see or didn't hear. For a second time, secretary of Defense Exit sent on the same app on Signal. He sent another message about another bombing operation against the Houthis to his wife, his lawyer and his brother. Now his wife used to work or still works for Fox news. Used to work. Um, you know, his lawyer is his lawyer and his brother, I think my understanding is, does work somewhere in the department of defense. However, um, why?

Speaker 2: 17:41

why didn't?

Speaker 3: 17:42

learn his lesson from last time.

Speaker 2: 17:44

Yeah, yeah, I, I, I don't understand what's happening here. I don't, so I don't understand. I don't. I simply don't know how this one was leaked. What, what exactly? Do you know? What exactly happened that this became public information?

Speaker 3: 18:01

So there are, I think I I read four confirmed sources or four sources. Reliable sources confirmed this and I'm I'm interested in the fact that there were three people who were escorted out of the Pentagon in the last week. Um, all AIDS or or closely related to sec, death Um, and then, and then this story comes out shortly after. So that may have played into it.

Speaker 3: 18:27

But you know, often enough like this, I'm sure, based on my experience around people like this and at this level, the sec def does not carry his own phone. Okay, he's got an aid or senior military advice. Somebody else carries his phone for him, um, and so not hard to get. You know someone's trusted with that, but you never can tell um. You know who you can trust nowadays. So that may be it. Um, somebody may have had access to his brother's phone, his lawyer's phone, his wife's phone, who knows Um. But it did leak out and again, the timing of those three individuals that got literally escorted out of the building like yeah, pack your stuff, you're out of here. I walked them out and took their badge away from them, the timing of that relation to this is very, very interesting and, I would guess, related.

Speaker 2: 19:18

Yeah, yeah, I mean so it's, it's. I think it's really fair and safe to say that Hegseth has had a target on his back from the get-go. And you could take that in a few different directions. And one is to kind of be sympathetic that he's just got a target on his back and there's nothing that he can do, that they're not scrutinizing, attacking, going after. And it's especially disheartening and frustrating and frightening, really that it's people in his own camp.

Speaker 2: 19:51

I guess the flip side of that is probably where you would be more coming from correct me if I'm wrong, of course is that you damn well should know better. Like, what are you doing? You know, and it and unfortunately um lends to your critique of him that he's inexperienced, um and and just maybe not the man for the job, and I honestly I don't have an opinion on this. I mean I have like I wish I can't. I don't have an opinion on it. I don't know if he's right or wrong for the job. These are definitely big missteps. Whether it was his fault or not. It's a bad look. The optics obviously are bad, you know, and I guess it's just because, knowing that he has, he knows that he's got this target on his back so you can't have missteps, you can't make mistakes. Now, what do you think is going to happen next? Of course, people are obviously speculating that Trump, the White House, they're looking for a replacement and he's going to be out. They are currently denying that. They're saying everything's great. What do you think?

Speaker 3: 21:02

I think he's going to get fired. Yeah, I think it's going to happen. They won't need another excuse. If they're smart and if Hegzeth is smart and I don't and truthfully I don't think he is, but if he was smart he would walk in, or this would be played out that he walked in and handed his resignation to the president and leave with some some dignity and face right, and leave with some dignity intact, save some face, right, right, save some face, go back to Fox News, sit back on the couch in the morning or maybe get his own show or whatever.

Speaker 3: 21:32

Right, I would assume that's how it's going to go, but I think he is going to get fired. But here's the problem is that's not his personality, which is why he rubs a lot of people within the DOD the wrong way, because, as a culture, humility is that. That's who the military is, you know, that's who we are. Right, you know, it does. You know, and the people who aren't, the people who don't have that humility, get ostracized. You know there's nobody that veterans hate more than the veteran who goes into, um, you know, outback Steakhouse on Veterans Day and demands his free meal. That is. It rubs veterans, a lot of veterans, the wrong way. Um, you know, quiet professionalism, um, you know, hey, thank you for your service makes a lot of us, including me, uncomfortable, um, cause we don't really know how to handle it. Um, and we, we don't do it to be thanked, right, right, here's the problem is that you've got somebody like Hegseth who and I'll put it in the context of you know, he keeps talking about this meritocracy. He's reestablishing a meritocracy within the Department of Defense. Yeah, do your job, do it well and you'll be rewarded. There's no politics, it's not about race, it's not about cre.

Speaker 3: 22:48

Pete Hegsit, with zero humility, stands in front of the entire Department of Defense knowing that he earned no part of his appointment. He is loyal to President Trump. That is his qualification. That is politically appointed and has no, you know, humility to say listen, folks, I'm here, I'm learning every day, I'm this, I'm that. He does two mistakes like this on signal and and and. The first time it was, you know, it's not a big deal, it wasn't classified, I didn't do anything wrong. You know, blah, blah, blah. And everybody around him looks at him and goes seriously shut up, man. And then he does it again, right? So that's what rubs people the wrong way, and I think it's it's going to start to breed a lot of discontent within DOD, even for people who are supporters. It just looks bad and I and I think he is not long for that office.

Speaker 2: 23:45

Truthfully, is there anyone that you can think of that you would like to see in that position? Can we nominate you? No, wait, no, then I'll lose you as a co-host. Nevermind, I take it back. I take it back.

Speaker 3: 23:57

I have volunteered to take over the ATF. Like I said, I will do that. Like they handed that off, they took it away from Kash Patel and they handed it off to the secretary of the army, for some reason, to be the acting director. I'll do that job, give me that. But SECDEF, no, no thanks, no thanks. But you know, are there people that I know, you know, I think we probably. You know, general Austin, secretary Austin left such a bad taste in people's mouths about a former general sitting in that seat. There probably needs to be some time and space before they do that again. They do that again.

Speaker 3: 24:33

I think there's probably plenty of business leaders out there that can handle the job, that are familiar with the Department of Defense, who are not connected to it. So, nobody from the defense industry. We don't need anybody from Harris Communications or General Dynamics or any of the big defense contractors, but there's plenty of people out there who can do that job. I'm still Connie Rice, I think, is still. That was always her dream job, um, and I and I think she would be a great sec def, but I don't think, uh, I don't think anybody's, you know, knocking on her door for that, so, but she would be, in my opinion, a great pick.

Speaker 2: 25:08

Nice, Okay. Well, we're going to see what happens. Do you think it was these things that have just happened? The signal things, genuine security risk or just simply bad optics?

Speaker 3: 25:21

Yeah, truthfully, I've seen in a couple of places what he transmitted to folks and I will tell you it does not qualify as classified information. Classified information those of us and listen, I've said this before I have Signal. I have used it with friends of mine in the military or retired folks and we've talked about what you would refer to as sensitive but not classified information. And we all know there's a language that most of us speak. It's very much like the mafia, like hey, did you take care of that thing? And everybody knows what you're talking about. You're just saying it out loud. So we, most of us, know how to temper our language. You know to say the things that you can say and leave out the things that you can't say. And people still understand what's going on. And and his transmissions on signal are a lot like that.

Speaker 3: 26:06

So you know he didn't give out. He's walking a fine line, believe me. But it's like hey, you know operation, who thinks so he's given a general area, he's not given a specific, he's not necessarily given you know aircraft, time and packages and you know who's flying what and where and what time. He's not giving away any of the super details, but it is very, very sloppy and shouldn't be coming from his account. So did he really violate regulations? Not that I could see, but is it really poor professionally? Yeah, it's really bad.

Speaker 2: 26:42

Okay, all right, we will see what happens. What's your so you? Oh wait, no, you gave your prediction, you, you think he's going to be out, okay.

Speaker 3: 26:49

I think what's today, that, by the way, it's Wednesday. Yes, I think what's today, by the way, it's Wednesday. It's Wednesday at 4. What? We started this at 4 Eastern time. What's the date? The date is the 23rd. I'm going to say mid-May. He's gone.

Speaker 2: 27:04

Wow, okay, all right, guys, listen, clay's been right, see what happens.

Speaker 2: 27:12

Yeah, I will be fair and say not every single thing, but only because I'm not positive and I can't say that with like 100% certainty, but probably pretty gosh darn close. We should have been keeping score. We should have like a tally board or whatever it's called up, where we can just kind of put the little, the little tallies on there. Might happen, that could happen, could happen. Oh, my goodness, what we got next? Oh, real ID. So I'll be honest with you. I did mine like I don't know whenever. The last time I had to renew my license like maybe I think I'm getting due again, it's like three years ago. I think I did it. Well, I don't know Whenever I had to do. Let's put it this way whatever it was, they were first offering it and they're like, oh, it's going to become a mandatory, and whatever date they gave, and that date like came and went and and and now here it is. What is it? May 7th?

Speaker 3: 28:10

Yeah yeah, this is. What kills me is that this was passed. Real id was passed in 2005 right, it's like obama era.

Speaker 2: 28:20

Right, this is george bush. This is still like, oh yeah right.

Speaker 3: 28:26

Yes, 2005. It was passed initially, and then 2008,. Dhs started sending out like, hey, this is going to be the requirement, yeah, and then 2012 is when they started really kind of discerning and implementing some things. This is not new news. Now, you're right, there was a date and it was COVID ish, so it got. So it got pushed Right. So this was actually supposed to happen three or four years ago and then they pushed it. And now they've said yes, it's May 7th 2025.

Speaker 3: 29:00

So for the people who are like, oh my God, I had no idea this was coming and you've been sleeping because this is not new news and there is the speculation I mean, you see the banner at the bottom is this government surveillance, with a smile? And there's a lot of people that say news. And, and you know, there is the speculation. I mean, you see the banner at the bottom, is this government surveillance, with a smile? And there's a lot of people that say yes, and I would tell you, because it was associated with the Patriot Act, there is a government surveillance aspect to this. I have no doubt in my mind that that's part of what this is, because of the genesis of it all.

Speaker 2: 29:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean I don't know. I don't know how to feel about it. To be honest with you, you know you look at both sides of this. You know, as as American citizens do, we want more government watching us like big brother, blah, blah, blah, that stuff. You know there's this fine line between our, our safety and the deep state police state. You know all of that stuff. I don't know. I mean, I don't know what the answer is. I don't even know.

Speaker 2: 30:00

Again, I'm just making people mad left and right this week. I mean I don't even know if I care enough right now at this point, because we, everything we do is is watched, is public, publicly accessible to, to other countries, to our government, to everything. I mean, if you exist in this day and age and you use the Internet and you use social media and you buy things, you know on Amazon and on Timu and the other one that I never know how to pronounce, your stuff is out there. People are tracking your every move, your shopping habits, all of that stuff. If you don't want that to happen in this day and age, you have to literally, physically, digitally, go off grid. I mean, it's the only thing I can tell you, like if this makes you angry, if you don't want to be a part of it, you absolutely have to go off grid, cut up your credit cards. You know all of the things I mean right, am I, am I, am I wrong? You're?

Speaker 3: 31:01

you're right, you're 100 percent right, and the reality is is that you know this is all this is is verification of information. That's already out there. So, if you like, if you have a driver's license Right already out there so, if you have like, if you have a driver's license right and you know, I know you did this like three years ago but if you have a driver's license and you went from your old license to a real ID, verified license, that's all they're doing is verifying what's on the driver's license, right. Right, you're not giving them more info, you're just verifying what's true on there. Yeah, you know. And, and you know a lot of people are upset because, yeah, you know. And, and you know, a lot of people are upset because, oh it, this, you know, restricts travel, blah, blah, blah. One again this is not new news.

Speaker 3: 31:39

You don't have time to react to this. Two, nobody says you have a God-given constitutional right to fly in an airplane, right? If you don't like it, drive, just drive, yeah. And if you don't have access to that or you can't do that, oh well. There's choices in life and I get the people that you know Patriot Act and they're tracking us. But everything you said is true. Unless you live with cash, you know, unless you, you know, don't have a credit card and don't have a cell phone and don't have any digital footprint whatsoever, an email address or anything else. You know, if you have any of those things, then there's, you know, there's data being collected. It's just how things operate now. So, you know, and I kind of laugh.

Speaker 3: 32:25

You know, there's a lot of people who are like oh, you know DNA, you know, you know 23andMe and all these other things and you're contributing DNA to this big depository. Is it true? Sure it is. You know what I can tell you personally? They took a DNA sample from me when I joined the Army. Mine's been in a big database since like 1993. Okay, this is not new news, you know. It's just. People get worked up about this and, trust me, I'm not for government surveillance. But you know, is this meant to keep all of us safer? Sure, it is. You're a person who says I don't want real ID, but close the borders Like you're not making it.

Speaker 2: 33:03

Yeah, well, there you know, uh, excellent point, because there's, um, what might be the irony a little bit there? Uh, only in the sense that we often, when we have these all our topics, we're referencing reactions from the left, but this is actually a stronger reaction from the right. The right is very displeased, you know, that's a generalization, of course, but the right is who is very displeased with this and having a problem with it. So, but again, I mean, who passed it?

Speaker 3: 33:35

Right, 2005,. Go back and look who's responsible for this. Yeah, yeah, this is a very conservative post 9-11 George Bush era administration that passed this Right. So you know, you're right, this is a reaction from the right, this is a reaction from, you know, the the MAGA world of you know, and it is. You could almost say it's a libertarian thing, but it's not. It really is the conservative right, Um, who are complaining about this the most, who are the same people who passed this. So, um, you know, I'll tell you the same thing that you tell everybody else who's complaining about America If you don't like it, go live somewhere else. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 34:16

I mean the same answer that conservatives give to people who bitch and moan about. You know America as it stands right now under Trump. If you don't like it, go live somewhere else.

Speaker 2: 34:24

Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what it comes down to. I tell you and I don't know about you guys watching or listening, whatever the case is, because we are so constantly inundated with things to be angry about in the world. Right, I have taken this kind of stance more so than ever. I think I've always kind of been like this, but more so than ever these days. I've always kind of been like this, but more so than ever these days, and maybe it's part of my Christian walk here that I've taken such a step back in not learning, definitely not learning. I love to learn about what's going on in the world and understanding it, but caring less, getting less worked up over the things, at the same time assessing them and seeing for what they are like.

Speaker 2: 35:16

Yes, in this, in a context, this is a big deal in the grand scheme of everything and in my day-to-day life, this is nothing to me. This means nothing. And you know and maybe with this specific topic, because I have grandchildren out of state that I go see just about every single month listen, I don't care how I get there, I'm getting there, and if that means getting a little gold star or whatever it is on my driver's license, do it, I don't care, I don't care. So if you care kind of echoing Clay here if you care, if this is your hill to die on, you know what you got to do then. So there you go. What do you people want me to do?

Speaker 3: 36:13

that's one thing. If you are upset because it's being implemented and you haven't done anything about it until now, like no, you haven't voted for anybody to step in, or you haven't lobbied to have this repealed, or you haven't done and you're just upset about it now, then again I I think you're right, elsa, and that is, people are being mad because it's just something to be mad at so I mean, geez guys, come, come on like this is, this is, is the hill you want to die on, really?

Speaker 2: 36:34

This is the big thing to be so angry about, and especially within the context of what we were just talking about, that our every move you're being recorded as you're walking in. I remember, during the COVID days, I remember there being the scanners in the doors for your temperature, taking your temperature. You know that was weird in and of itself. Just walking into a restaurant and your temperature is being taken. You know, I don't know. This is the world that we live in. These are aspects that, you know, kind of suck, certainly, but I just don't think it's the hill to die on.

Speaker 3: 37:21

That's all. That's all I think about it. Oh, by the way, if you're really opposed to real ID, don't ever go to Las Vegas or step foot in a casino.

Speaker 2: 37:26

Oh yeah, they have your entire right.

Speaker 3: 37:29

Yeah, that is the most advanced surveillance, facial recognition, any of that anywhere probably on the planet. So if you're if you're really, really worried, then don't go there either.

Speaker 2: 37:40

Yeah, get rid of your, your iPhone, android, all of them, for that matter. Yeah. Yep, you know. So, yeah, I mean plenty of more things to be mad about in the world. Or how about just not, just not Everybody chill. There's that.

Speaker 2: 37:57

My high school friends would if they saw this, if they see this are probably at this moment would sit there and go yeah, that is so on brand for her. I was like if they could have a back in the day, if they could have vote for girl, most likely to just go end up on some Malibu beach somewhere. They're like, yeah, that'd be you, because you just, you're just, your vibe is very chill. That's my vibe. Guys, it's a great place to be. You should all try it.

Speaker 3: 38:25

Yeah, you'll probably live a lot longer than the rest of us.

Speaker 2: 38:34

I, you know, listen, listen, I better. I mean, what's the point otherwise here? Oh, my goodness, look at me taking us off track. All right, let's move on to our next one. What's the next one here? Oh yeah, harvard's federal funding is being threatened. I love this title. To be honest with you, when woke meets wallet, yeah, they're getting the hammer dropped right $2.2 billion in federal funding.

Speaker 3: 38:53

I'm going to say that again Federal dollars, $2.2 billion. Right, and this is related to DEI. This is related to massive antisemitism. There's a lot of things going on at Harvard and the president and others are saying this is it, we're done with you, we're done with the money. If you don't fix yourself, you're not getting any cash. Now Harvard has turned around and sued the federal government, the Trump administration, for their money. Okay, for all of us, normal people, right, we are contributing. Our tax dollars Say it again $2.2 billion is going to Harvard.

Speaker 3: 39:33

Here's what's the crushing thing about this all of this. They have a $53.2 billion endowment, they have the money. They don't need this $2.2 billion. In fact, I would question why they get it in the first place if they got $53.2 billion access to that amount of money. Right, that's crazy.

Speaker 2: 39:57

It's insane, absolutely insane.

Speaker 3: 40:00

Yeah, but a lot of it has to do with the anti-Semitism. There is a history of anti-Semitism at Harvard, yes, and so that needs to be cleaned up. I've seen some very interesting opposing views from current and former Jewish students. You know some very you know kind of academically have said you know, free speech is free speech. I don't like it, but that's the way it's supposed to be. Some have made accounts of blatant anti-Semitic sentiments from other students targeted by instructors, professors, withholding, changing grades, those kinds of things. So it's been there for a while and it doesn't seem like it's going away.

Speaker 2: 40:53

But at the crux of it is this money which they shouldn't get in the first place. You think, yeah, I, you know everything else aside for that alone, why? Why would my tax dollars go there? Like no, no, thank you, so for that alone. If you want to take out every other element, no, thank you, I would like to opt out. You know what I mean? I mean that's insane to me would like to opt out.

Speaker 3: 41:15

You know what I mean. I mean that's insane to me. I understand federal funding for even state run schools, right? Yes, I'm a directional. I went to a directional university, as we call it. I went to Western Illinois University. Okay, that's a state school in the state of Illinois, and those types of schools. I understand federal funding, federal assistance.

Speaker 3: 41:31

Yeah assistance Private universities? I don't get. I really don't get. Our dollars do not need to be going to a university that, truthfully, is unattainable by I think their selection rate is 7% or something like that some astronomically low number. Why are we sending them money? Because most of our kids will never go there.

Speaker 2: 41:55

Right, exactly, I would love if somebody is watching this and they do feel that private universities, institutions like that, should be getting federal funding. I would really love to hear your explanation for why you think that, because, I mean, I honestly can't think of one good reason for it, can you? I mean, are you able to play devil's advocate on this? Are you able to think of like one good reason?

Speaker 3: 42:19

The only, yes, the only thing that I can think of and you could even play devil's advocate against my devil's advocate and that is research, so especially medical research. In a lot of cases you know that they do that is funded, or at least partially funded, by this money for the betterment of humanity. But again, like that, I do understand that coming, you know, from federal dollars. However, you could argue against that and say, altruistically, why aren't people just donating directly, right? I mean, if you're doing let's just call it cancer research, right, there's like 8 million foundations out there. You know that people are donating to. Why doesn't that money just go to Harvard or wherever else that's doing cancer research? Right? I think there's plenty of money out there.

Speaker 2: 43:04

truthfully, yeah, I think this, oh, absolutely.

Speaker 3: 43:08

Yeah, or do that research at a state school and not a private university. There you go.

Speaker 2: 43:14

Even better actually.

Speaker 3: 43:16

There's a lot of state schools that have medical programs, dental programs, whatever other programs, that do this kind of research. Send them the money, let them do it.

Speaker 2: 43:27

You see where the problem lies, with the government sending these private universities the money that they send. They do research, but they do research on, you know, I don't know why orangutans aren't attracted to chimpanzees. I you know what I mean. Like they do these. You know gender studies on armadillos. You know, like the, I mean this is the kind of crap that they, they do. So you know, that's really the problem here.

Speaker 2: 43:55

If I were to play, if I were to do, you know, the devil's advocate to that, that would be it that, like you know, the, unfortunately the type of research that they do doesn't really benefit humanity. And I'm not saying that, that's a blanket statement, a generalization. Yes, I do believe that there are some studies that have been done, perhaps are being done, that are beneficial to humanity. But you know, really, this, this has to do directly with, you know, d, I still D, like you said, the DEI initiatives and studies and all of those things and, of course, the antisemitism that they're not addressing, they're not doing anything about. You know, and it's no, it's just no. We don't need to fund that so they can raise the money themselves, like you said, get donations. You have a lot of wealthy people who want the status of going there and sending their children there.

Speaker 3: 44:44

I'm sure they are willing to pay for it you know, or they can wait three years and nine months until a new administration who may or may not flip this policy back. I will tell you, based on recent polling. The Democrats are putting together like their candidacy list is unbelievably bad. Wow. Yeah, I've seen a bunch. I've seen a bunch that probably the most prominent one is from the Hill. Let me just read you their top 10 in descending order right. These are folks.

Speaker 3: 45:26

These are I'll do it David Letterman style. These are the top 10, right For those of us that are really old. Uh, the top 10 picks, uh, for the democratic party to run for president, presidential candidates for 2028. Number 10 is Stephen A Smith of ESPN.

Speaker 2: 45:43

I did see that. I did see that yeah.

Speaker 3: 45:45

He's gotten very political in the last probably nine months or so, uh, but he's on the list. Number 10, uh. Number nine Rahm Emanuel from, uh, the Obama administration and former mayor of the city of Chicago, disastrous Pete Buttigieg. At number eight, right Mediocre mayor. Even worse, transportation secretary, jd Pritzker, governor of the state of Illinois, is number seven, although I will throw a prediction at you. So Dick Durbin, who is a senator, one of the most senior senators, and has been in Illinois for a long, long time, is not running for reelection in twenty twenty six. Ok, Novak's prediction is that Pritzker is going to, is going to take his seat.

Speaker 2: 46:27

Oh, ok, yeah.

Speaker 3: 46:28

Building the resume for a presidential run later on. So he's number seven. Number six, your friend and mine, Kamala Harris, which will be also right back in business.

Speaker 2: 46:40

I mean, you know, for that alone let's go, let's go.

Speaker 3: 46:44

Number five is Governor Moore from Maryland, not, you know, not truthfully, all that well-known. Number four is my personal belief, which is Gavin Newsom.

Speaker 2: 46:54

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 46:55

I think he's the number one. Number three is Gretchen Whitmer, yep. Number two is Governor Shapiro, who, who got a phone call from president Trump after the fire, by the way you know so um, and the number one on multiple lists, not just this one from the Hill, but on multiple lists. I cannot believe this. The number one Trump, please Candidate is AOC. Yeah, AOC, she's number one. Speculated to be the number one preferred candidate or president for 2028. Thoughts.

Speaker 2: 47:36

Okay, questions, first One being really Is her popularity with that crowd that high? I mean, is that really? I mean, is that really?

Speaker 3: 47:49

Oh, so you context matters, right, and so here is the thing to really to put all of this in context, and then you can keep going. But the approval rating for Democrats in Congress is so it's the worst it's ever been. Yeah, so when you say, say, is her popularity that high? Yes, but in a very, very small population. So you know, truthfully, you know to be the number one vote getter out of seven people. I mean like if seven people are picking, not really saying much not saying a whole lot, but she is number one, please continue.

Speaker 2: 48:26

Okay, so I mean this is probably.

Speaker 3: 48:27

I'm going to show you a little image here.

Speaker 2: 48:28

This is one. Please continue, okay. So I mean, this is probably. I'm going to show you a little image here. This is, you know, do you think this would be their version of the dream team?

Speaker 3: 48:40

oh, I'm sorry guys that's a suicide squad, that that is like there's no way that's getting elected ever, her and crockett, not a chance way.

Speaker 2: 48:50

I mean. So I think I can speak collectively for everyone on the right, which I normally would not dare to do ever, on any circumstance. But this time I will dare to speak for everyone on the right and say please, please, make AOC and Crockett for all, for all I care, make that your dream team. Please. I'm begging you, just do it, just do it. We're going to have so much fun with that. And the challenge for me, of course, we'll be working on a AOC impression. I guess I've been asked. I'm getting asked a lot. Clay, people keep asking me you got to do an AOC for us. I'm like I don't, I don't know. I mean, do I have the wig for it? Probably.

Speaker 3: 49:34

Can you do the the selective Spanish accent?

Speaker 2: 49:38

I, you know I can, I can, I can do the select, I can. You know she's got a few different ones too, right?

Speaker 3: 49:43

Yeah, yeah, I think on that the other day she was talking in LA. She was talking in LA and you know her accent changed a couple of times and she got nailed on that in. You know in the media, yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:54

My favorite one is still you know it's a. It's maybe a little, a little obscure, but there was one where she was speaking at a. It was like a. They were in like a gymnasium and it was like a little town hall type thing and she was answering questions and and her own constituents were like yelling at her and, and you know, they were just fed up with her and everything.

Speaker 2: 50:11

And she takes them over to all of a sudden all her Hispanicness comes out in one one flood and she, and it's just this clip of her going, listen, listen, okay, listen, see, I can do it, guys, and you know, I just probably have to bring my pitch up a little higher, make my eyes bug out a little bit more, and we might have it right. You guys can vote on that, tell me how close I was, but yeah, but that one sticks in my mind the most and you know, and of course, five minutes later changes it up again, so that that's, that is a Democrat move, though that's their playbook. I mean, we know this, you can go probably even further back, but first one that comes to mind is, of course, hillary Clinton, with her hot sauce in her purse, you know, and just down the line and, of course, kamala Obama.

Speaker 2: 50:57

Obama's notorious You're right, you're right, yeah, they did.

Speaker 3: 51:02

I want to say it was near the tail end of his second term. You know, he's ESPN used to go to him every year and he would fill out his bracket. They would do a special with him and he would fill out his bracket on a big board and he would, you know, cause he was a basketball guy and all this, and somebody I remember in his last term, um, took two clips of him in the same day and you could, he was wearing the same suit, right? So when he did the ESPN thing, I think he was maybe just in the dress shirt with, like the sleeves rolled up, so he looked like a cool guy. In the same day, he was in his very political mode and he talked in his very political fashion. And then when he was filling out the board, you know he was talking to the basketball, the college basketball fan base, you know. Kind of very, very different tempo for them.

Speaker 2: 51:48

Oh yeah, 100 yep and, and I'll tell you what I have never, ever even once heard president trump do that couldn't, never. If he tried, no, he definitely could not, he couldn't, he couldn't. It would ring so false first of all. Um, but yeah, I mean, you know, my only point being is, like that is definitely a primarily Democrat thing to do, to pander to your audience of the moment. I mean, how much more proof can you have of that? And please, if you've got proof of anybody on the right doing it, I would love to see it. Throw it in there. Throw it in the comments, because I'll go check it out and I'll call them out for it too. So it is. It's at best obnoxnoxious, at worst highly offensive to everyone.

Speaker 3: 52:36

Yeah, anybody on the right that does it deserves the same ridicule.

Speaker 2: 52:40

Heck, yeah, yeah. So if you know anybody to give me a link, show me. I want to. I want to bust on them too, cause I don't care.

Speaker 3: 52:48

Interestingly not on that list that I saw on. It wasn't on the Hills list and I think I only saw him in one other place was a Cory Booker, but I did see him out there, who I? Thought was interesting yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:01

Yeah, I mean, and he's positioning himself. I mean I remember his whole grandstanding there, his whole nonsense thing in Congress. Yeah, he is trying to position himself and he did not make that list Interesting. The only thing I can guess is that he's so thoroughly unliked by everyone around him. I mean, he is really just on site. You kind of want to give him one. Totally unrelated, we only have a few, just a minute or so left, but I just have to. You said something about a picture or an optic or something, and it made me remember this. Did you see the Easter? The Easter picture from the Biden family?

Speaker 3: 53:45

Oh yeah, photoshopped in the back, yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:47

It's terrible.

Speaker 3: 53:48

Yeah, it's awful.

Speaker 2: 53:50

I mean. Really bad, they weren't even trying. There was like no effort. There Everybody's in their nice dressy casual clothes.

Speaker 3: 54:02

And there's Grandpa Joe in his suit in the back.

Speaker 2: 54:04

Yeah, and making it look like you know. So they just like cut him in half and tucked him behind everybody else. There is no way that man could kneel down or sit like that, like the impossibility of it. So, yes, and I just have to say, if you are thinking that that was not Photoshopped, I mean, what's the old, old, another old fashioned statement to date us and show all the way around Like I got a bridge to sell you, I got some land.

Speaker 3: 54:33

We have one more and this is a. This is a weird one. And again, folks, you know, elsa and I we call it like we see it. This has nothing to do with you know very, very little, as, but we're both conservatives, but this one we got to call out for general stupidity. So the mayor of.

Speaker 3: 54:52

Lancaster, california, is a guy named uh, what is it? Rex Paris, that's our, our Rex Paris is his name. This guy is so off his freaking rocker. Okay, he is a Republican, right, he's a conservative. They have a homeless uh issue in in Lancaster, uh issue in in Lancaster, california and his um, his solutions are um one, give them as much fentanyl as they want. Right, there's a fentanyl problem in their town. He says give them. You can't fix these people. Give them as much and as much as they want. By the way, when asked about this for clarification, he doubled down, right. Then he also said he wishes President Trump would give us a purge. Are you kidding? And this guy's been in office for a long time. This is the one who just elected this year. He's been in office a while. This guy is a lunatic, and I know California is crazy, but for those of you in Lancaster California, you got to get rid of that guy. He is off his rocker.

Speaker 2: 55:57

Yeah, I tell you, playing our little game of devil's advocate, and I'm certainly not saying that this is the case. I'm just trying to find some benefit of the doubt here, like I'm reaching here, probably, but I'm just trying to imagine, like maybe this is a case of this guy One. Maybe he's just like a really straight shooter, maybe he's like really old school, maybe he's just like fed up and tired of the BS and he, I don't know, maybe he was trying to read the room. As far as like we, you know, as conservatives, we've got like kind of like this hard, hard line attitude. This was so next level that, yeah, I mean, I'm trying, I'm trying to help the guy here and he's not making it easy, not not at all.

Speaker 2: 56:48

Yeah, you can't, you can't really say things like that. And maybe I could say something like that because I'm not in leadership, I'm not leading anybody into anything. So if I want to say something that's, you know, at best salty, at worst highly inappropriate, I can say it because I'm not in leadership, I am not a public official in charge of an entire town or county or whatever it is. Yeah, that was a bad one.

Speaker 3: 57:15

Yeah, that. That is not something that I think any sane person advocates for in any position of responsibility whatsoever. And, more surprisingly, when challenged, he was like I meant every word of it, like I, yeah, do it. I think this is, this is the best way to handle it.

Speaker 2: 57:31

So, yeah, the proper response at that point should would have been if he had a good PR person saying no, here's, here's how you fix this buddy. You have to say that listen, I'm just fed up and you know I'm saying what other people are thinking.

Speaker 3: 57:44

But of course I don't mean literally.

Speaker 2: 57:51

Yeah, passionate, emotional, frustrated there's a lot of things that you could put in there. You could have said there, but you chose to double down. I don't double down, don't think he's me. I mean, listen, I don't know. We're in such an upside down crazy world.

Speaker 2: 58:00

I mean maybe the people are like, yeah, that's great no, absolutely not I know, but y'all can understand now why I do this really big personal step back from all of it, like the inundation of crazy is just Yep, it is what it is. Excuse me, sir, did we do like what? Six, seven topics?

Speaker 3: 58:24

I think we six and a couple of yeah we did A couple little sidewinders. Yeah, a little bit yeah.

Speaker 2: 58:30

I mean I might dare to say we're kind of pros at this.

Speaker 3: 58:34

This is where I think we're over a year and a half right. I think we're, we are, we're.

Speaker 2: 58:38

August will be two years for us, I think right, it will be two years.

Speaker 3: 58:41

Yeah, that is for sure, yeah.

Speaker 2: 58:42

Yeah, awesome, I love it. We did it, we did it, guys. And um, as always, you know, we like to close out the show with a little appreciation for y'all. Yes, I just came back from the South. You got to let me have it. Yeah, you guys are amazing. We love engaging with you in the comments section. We highly, highly encourage you to like, share, follow, subscribe, do all of the things. It helps us help you get all of your information in one spot so you don't have to watch all of the stuff and things, right?

Speaker 3: 59:13

Yeah, I mean that's you know. I almost feel an obligation to Elsa every week just to have this conversation to keep her on point.

Speaker 2: 59:19

Yes, yes, you do, you do. And look, I mean, are you proud of me? Because I don't think I was rocking in my chair when I watched this.

Speaker 3: 59:26

No, you did good. Yeah, you were not distracting at all. There was a little bit of movement, but not like you know.

Speaker 2: 59:33

Not like we thought, exactly Not like we thought I was going to do. I mean, it was very tempting, Like my intrusive thoughts definitely kicked in and I was so tempted once or twice to just do the full spin just for no reason whatsoever.

Speaker 3: 59:54

That's the comedian in me that you know. I got to do silly things here and there, but I try and keep it a little straight. Laced for the show, I was expecting the uh, the little kid stuck at the bank or the car dealership with the parents while they're filling out paperwork and spinning around randomly on chairs, things of that nature. But you did good.

Speaker 2: 1:00:01

Yeah, I did good, yes, I'm, I'm patting myself on the back for that. I just, you know, I'm childlike like that. I like praise, I love it. It's good. Oh, my goodness, guys, all right. So Clay told you right at the uh, right at the start there, pretty much, that this is Wednesday for us. We're all watching together on Thursday and, um, yeah, and we'll be back with more fun stuff next week. Clay, you want to close them out? Do you have any additional uh updates?

Speaker 3: 1:00:30

No, nothing. Yet. I do have another phone call with new publisher. Tomorrow. There's discussion of audio books, which I know people have been clamoring for, and there's discussion of me narrating audio books. We'll see how that turns out, but but that's it. So. You know, we'll see in the comments section and and we will see you next week, but in the meantime, keep moving, keep shooting.

Speaker 2: 1:00:50

I love it. Take care guys. Warrior leader author.

Speaker 1: 1:00:52

Patriot. From ranger school to the battlefield, from the front lines of combat to the front lines of culture. Retired Lieutenant Colonel Clay Novak isn't done fighting for truth. Catch him on the Elsa Kurt Show and read his no-holds-barred blog at claynovakauthorcom.

Speaker 2: 1:01:22

Keep moving, keep shooting, if you've ever looked around and Keep moving, keep shooting. From woke theology to spiritual apathy. We're hitting it all straight on, straight up and back by scripture. This isn't a rage-fueled rant. It's a rally cry, a wake-up call to stop apologizing and start boldly living out the gospel. Whether you're a new believer or a disillusioned disciple trying to find your footing again, this book is for you. It's packed with truth bombs, grace-filled strategies and practical tools to help you speak truth with love, raise warriors, not worriers, dismantle lies with biblical clarity and rebuild with grit, grace and gospel power. The culture doesn't need more compromise. It needs courageous Christians. So if you're ready to push back against the chaos with bold faith and real truth, grab your copy of Truth Bombs and Grace Grenades on May 6, 2025. Let's shake things up with truth and grace.