Political Discourse and the Media Frenzy: What's Really Going On?

The episode delves into the current dynamics of political discourse, focusing on the media's impact on public perception and reaction. Sensational headlines often cause uproar, especially among left-leaning audiences, and we explore the role this plays in shaping conversations around various topics. 

• Announcement of podcast and overview of themes 
• Discussion of media's tendency to amplify outrage 
• Analysis of President Trump's meetings with other leaders and their media portrayal 
• Examination of the push for peace in conflictual settings 
• The implications of lower court judges on political inertia 
• Reflection on the diminishing respect and decorum among politicians 
• Public sentiment regarding accountability and integrity from elected officials 
• Recap of main arguments and call for civic action 

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction and Episode Overview
• 5:24 The Common Thread in Current Events
• 12:45 Media Hypocrisy and Public Reaction
• 19:32 Dissecting Recent Political Meetings
• 28:50 The Importance of Ending Conflicts
• 36:20 The Role of Judges in Political Inertia
• 45:15 Lack of Decorum Among Elected Officials
• 55:12 Accountability: Public Sentiment and Actions
• 1:03:40 Conclusions and Final Thoughts

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

It's the Elsa Kirk Show, with Clay Nova Serving up trending news and conservative views Brought to you by the Elsa Kirk Collection and Refuge Medical. And now it's time for the show.

Speaker 2: 0:26

It's another week, another fun batch, huge batch of topics, so I'm not going to be long winded for once. Just hey how you doing Clay.

Speaker 3: 0:36

I'm good and we do have a ton of stuff to talk about. And you know what? None of it, believe it or not, is Doge. None of it, and there's. I don't think we're going to get to all our topics and we're not even touching Doge this week, so let's get to it right after this. Hey folks, clay Novak here. Author of the novel Keep Moving, keep Shooting. So what I've got here is the Boo Boo 2.0 basic first aid kit. This is the one that you throw in your glove box, throw in the trunk of your car. But Boo Boo 2.0. This is the kit that you need all the time. Again, refugemedicalcom. You can find it there. Definitely a useful kit. Use the discount code KMKS at checkout. Get yourself 10% off Refuge Medical. Not only buy their equipment, but get their training. Refuge Medical offers training as well.

Speaker 4: 1:21

Keep moving, keep shooting. Spring is knocking, ready to refresh your vibe. The Elsa Kirk Collection has everything from page-turning reads to eye-catching fashion, guaranteed to add a little sunshine to your season. Calling all statement makers, elsa's pieces are designed to turn heads and bring confidence to your closet. But that's not all. Love a good book. Elsa's got your next favorite read waiting just for you. Don't miss Elsa's Amazon affiliate store filled with hand-painted beauty treasures, home must-haves and hey, so you know I'm glancing down our list of topics.

Speaker 2: 1:50

I was going to start counting them, and then I was just reading each one of our headlines and I realized that they all have one very important thing in common. Do you have any idea what it is? They all trigger the left. They all trigger the left. Every single one of them sends the left into a hysterical foaming at the mouth frenzy. Not that you know. Everything sets them off right. I mean everything does.

Speaker 3: 2:18

It does and and you know that's kind of the world we're living in right now and you know it it that that's where, because that's what the media is doing. I mean, we've been over this a million times. You know everything is how the the and we're going to talk some, some mainstream media kind of stuff in the show, but you know that's it's the dog whistle. Whatever the mainstream media is upset about is what, what gets covered and that's what sets people into a frenzy.

Speaker 2: 2:42

Right and that's what sets people into a frenzy Right, and of course it's always starts with that guy's name, president Trump, and I love you know I make a point. You know, I know, over the years, we, we simplify and we just say Trump. You know, Trump, this Trump that I especially love these days, since January 20th. I love emphasizing President Trump because because I see him Twitch, you know, every time I see the eye go.

Speaker 3: 3:07

So I I'm very traditionally. I will make sure, no matter who it is, whether I like them or not, honor the office, honor the title. But that trend started with President Bush, second President Bush, and it was post 9-11, as the war started to turn. People weren't necessarily in support of Iraq. It wasn't Afghanistan, it was Iraq, and it was notably ABC and George Snuffleupagus who started calling him Bush. Interesting no-transcript.

Speaker 2: 4:05

It makes me laugh every time. Oh okay, so Trump had some big meetings I mean, when does he not have big meetings? But of course with a little teeny tiny Macron, and of course with Putin too, and big meetings those were big. Macron came to him. So that was.

Speaker 3: 4:23

I mean, it's not a surprise, but that was a last week, I think Friday or Saturday. Yeah, he just called him and said, hey, I need you to come to Washington. And Macron picked up and came, because that's what happens now. You know they respond. And so he came to talk about Europe and Russia, ukraine, and you know I'm not saying that Macron speaks for all of Europe, the EU, but you know there's been a flip in Germany. They had their elections last week and they went conservative, you know. And so I think Macron is probably the loudest and longest standing voice to come and speak to President Trump. They did their little handshake thing, you know where they yes, their little game yeah.

Speaker 2: 5:10

Which is always entertaining it is.

Speaker 3: 5:12

Also and you were talking about this earlier the media. Did you see what they keyed in on from that?

Speaker 2: 5:19

I didn't, I didn't, I missed it. What did they key in on?

Speaker 3: 5:27

So, president Trump and this is the second time that they brought this up, I just saw this today so he has a bruise on the back of his right hand and everybody was like, oh, his health and oh all, and so, um, he, he said it then and I think the last time they talked about this was a few months ago, was during the campaign. Um, and then they said it again uh, it's from shaking hands, because he shakes hands with hundreds of people every single day and it's always that. You know, it's the hand, it's the handshake, but the grip, you know it's yes, shake, and it's a double handed yeah.

Speaker 3: 5:55

And it just, it bruises the back of his hand. But that's what.

Speaker 2: 5:58

That's what the media keyed in on, not that he's you, you know, negotiating peace around the world, never mind that, don't worry about that. If it didn't make me laugh, it would make me crazy, right? So you got to pick one or the other, so we'll let them be crazy, we'll just shake our head and laugh. But yeah, so they met. Of course, talk about the conflict in ukraine, uh, making all that kind of stuff, and you know, of course they have different perspectives on it.

Speaker 2: 6:28

Macron, you know, he stated his opinions on it and Trump, and the Trump administration is being pretty firm on, you know, moving towards, and I think Pete Hegseth made some really great statements about that. You know about where their focus is and not, you know, because they want to place the blame. You know, they want to make sure that they get it out there, right, that Russia started it, russia did it, russia invaded Russia, russia and I think it was Hexeth who basically said listen, we're not, we're not gonna, we're not gonna go there. We're working on peace. You know, we're working on resolution. Not creating more conflict and playing that game, doing that tit for tat and back and forth, is not going to bring anybody closer to some peaceful resolution here. So, you know, talk about being diplomatic and working with these other countries, but of course, if you're on the left, that's bad.

Speaker 3: 7:15

Yeah, president Trump, this is one of the things that he kept saying during his candidacy, during the campaign, was that, you know, people kept pressing him about Israel, palestine. They kept pressing him about Russia, ukraine, and he kept saying the same thing. His response was very blunt, but it was always very consistent and that was I want the killing to stop. That's what he kept saying and that's what he's doing, and I, you know, I wrote a blog about this today and the problem is is that he doesn't care who wins. You know who gets the credit, or you said it it's, you know, to make make sure everybody knows, russia started it. Nobody cares, nobody cares, um, and because the ending the killing is the goal, that's the goal, and that should be.

Speaker 2: 7:55

Nobody with that in mind cares Like nobody. Whose goal is to put an end to it cares Only. The only people who care are the ones that want to keep the conflict going.

Speaker 3: 8:04

That's right. That's right. It's the war hawks that want this and, truthfully, most of those people have never seen war, they don't know war, they don't understand war and, truthfully, they have nothing at stake except their principles and that's it. So unless you're willing to give you, your son, your daughter, anybody else to go fight the war, then really your principles stand on nothing. I hate to say it. If you're not willing to, you know, put in that, sacrifice yourself, then your opinion to me matters very, very little, especially if you've never been there yourself. So it is. It's the war hawks out there.

Speaker 3: 8:40

And the Israel-Palestine conflict Israel-Hamas I'm not saying Palestine, israel-hamas conflict is the same thing. You know, I know, and you probably do too, some Jewish Americans who either went back to Israel, put on their IDF uniform or they were in Israel and said I could leave and decided not to, and they stayed. But the American Jewish community has a vested interest in this personally. They have family members that are involved or have gone on. You know of their own accord. But the American Jewish community has a vested interest in this personally. They have family members that are involved or have gone on. You know of their own accord. Them I voice your opinion all you want, because you're in the middle of it, you know more so than most. But all these university students free Palestine and all this other crap shut up. They're just war hawking with no relevant experience and no relevant perspective. Right, but that's what President Trump's trying to stop is the killing. He doesn't care about winners and losers, he just wants the dying to stop, and that's what we should all be hoping for.

Speaker 2: 9:35

Yeah, I mean who, you know it's. It's baffling, isn't it, clay? It's like who in your, who in their right mind would, would be against that would have a problem with that and look for a problem with that. It's beyond comprehension. And again, the test for that, the test for the truth of that statement, is when you turn it around and say, okay, if it were Biden doing the exact same thing, what would your response be? What would your reaction be? And of course, they're not going to be honest, you know, because that's not part of the game. But the honest response where they to give it would be oh well, then that would be fine. Well, that would be great, we'd be all for it.

Speaker 2: 10:15

It's always going to be about who is the one right, and if it's Trump, you know what their reaction is going to be. It's just it's so predictable, like it's it's hard to. You know, it's always made me so angry in the past, leading up to very and it still makes me angry to a degree, but just so much less because it's so predictable. It's so predictable Like, give me a break, you know, we already know what your reaction is going to be, and I think that's the Trump administration attitude also like cry you know, favorite, our new favorite cry harder, you know, cry harder. Unless you unless you, can, you know, legally stop us, which of course they're they're trying to do then we're just going to keep plowing forward, right, and speaking of, that was the most excuse I want. I want props. That was a brilliant segue that was your.

Speaker 3: 11:00

That was probably your best one ever it was.

Speaker 2: 11:02

It was accidental. Can everybody just pat me on the back?

Speaker 3: 11:04

That was good.

Speaker 2: 11:06

I ruined it by doing that, but whatever, it's okay. No, it's okay.

Speaker 3: 11:10

No, but you're right. So that's the recourse now is appointed not elected, but appointed judges at lower court levels are the ones who are stepping in, are the ones who are stepping in. They're not necessarily interpreting the law, but they're activists, in most cases, that believe they're doing the right thing and they're stepping in and they're, you know, filing. You know they're either opposing, you know, putting a stop to whatever it is that President Trump is doing, and then they're forcing an appeal process and they're just delaying the inevitable. But they're putting a strain, an unnecessary strain, on our on the judicial system, because they're generating more work unnecessarily.

Speaker 3: 11:55

Now, I don't necessarily agree with the reaction that's coming out of Congress, which is there's a lot of Congress people who are looking for impeachment processes for some of these lower court judges If they are acting within the law. I don't whether you agree with the process or not. Fix the process, but I don't agree with you. Know he's acting legally, he's acting within the process, he's not doing anything illegal or she for that matter but we don't agree with what they're doing or how they're doing it, so we're going to start impeachment process. That's ridiculous.

Speaker 2: 12:31

Right, yeah, that's, that's fair. I mean, you know me well enough to know that I'll jump right on that and impeach them, impeach them all, get rid of them. But, yes, if you know if I put my big girl pants on, uh, I can acknowledge that. Yes, if what they are doing is within the scope of their legal abilities, then yes, I feel like you know there should be something. I mean, I think they all get investigated, no matter what, if not by, you know, congress or whoever, certainly by the, you know social media, the people on the internet, right? Because within a hot minute, you know exactly who their affiliations are, who their wife works for and where their donations come from. And and you know, you know all of the things very quickly, which, of course, casts some doubt on their well, casts a lot of doubt on their ethic abilities.

Speaker 3: 13:26

There You're 100% right, because what happens is, as soon as you have one of these judges, even if they're acting within the limits of the law, as soon as they do something like this, the spotlight's on them and the internet's going to do what the internet does right Everybody sleuths, they investigate, they dig in. And then you better hope, if you're one of these judges, that you are squeaky clean to 100%, because if not, it's going to be found out. Whatever it is that you've done wrong is going to be found out. And then that's when you start having legitimate questions and you start potentially even having legitimate impeachment processes not necessarily for what they have done to, you know, kind of slow down president Trump's uh, you know inertia that he's got moving, but you know it'll, it'll be something in their past. It'll be. You know, hey, this, this series of decisions are all suspect, like that's something that somebody needs to look into or, like you said, donations or whatever it is. Everything's going to get checked out and you better hope you're clean.

Speaker 2: 14:26

Yeah, yeah, there's one, you know whose wife and I forget who it is. Might be the Rhode Island guy, I'm not sure but, oh, judge, I should say it was that the wife was either worked for US AID or Right, yeah, so you know, I mean it, you know, at the very least it raises eyebrows and I and I think you know very consistently with the public what is happening now is that sense of frustration. Obviously, but almost you kind of get to this point and I see this on social media, particularly on apps like this almost like apathy starts to set in. They're like, yeah, whatever, yeah, we know, but nothing ever happens. You know, and I find it interesting how quickly people can turn and we know this well, of course, that they turn on a dime. But even people within the Republican party or conservatives, you know, whatever, however you want to label yourself, the Republican party or conservatives, you know whatever, however you want to label yourself I see it on X it's like people who have been highly, highly supportive, like have the word MAGA in their username or in their their name, and who are now, you know, making like little swipes and say like, well, this isn't happening fast enough, thought you said you're going to do this, but, dude, he's been in for like five weeks. You were just like three posts ago talking about how much they've accomplished in short order. You know, and they're getting mad. I see people getting all ticked off that.

Speaker 2: 15:53

You know Pam Bondi and uh, kristi Noem and Heg Seth and you know all of them, um, are getting a lot of airtime on lots of different media programs. You know they're, they're on, they're on Fox doing a sit down there on this one doing a sit down. You know, and and people are like, well, you should be doing your job and not doing all these interviews. It's not a. It's not a. You know a popularity tour or whatever. You know whatever they're calling. It's like how do you want them to get this information to us? Yeah, how much do you want Carolineavitt to do? Like, do you want her just to stand behind the podium 24 hours a day and tell you everything? I mean? What do you want people Calm down.

Speaker 3: 16:32

You know that's interesting. So we're obviously we're all a product of our environment. And going back to, you know, headline News is the one who really, really, you know, kind of turned the table on this. They were the one that was the 24-hour news source, right and it was in, you know, kind of turned the table on this. They were the one that was the 24 hour news source right and it was in, you know, 30 minute bites or 10 minute bites. They were the one who really, I hate to say, crush the American attention span. But that's all where it started.

Speaker 3: 16:54

So you had CNN, which was 24 hour news, and then they brought in headline news and it was, you know, was the cycle, and it was the ticker at the bottom. And you had, you know, you actually, at one point I think, they had a news ticker, a sports ticker and a financial ticker all running at the same time. But you know, people, that's what they expect now, everybody expects 24 hour news. They expect, you know. Do you think that there will come a day where we will have like two or three press secretaries that run shifts? You know what I mean, like press briefings a day?

Speaker 2: 17:28

Yeah, I tell you it wouldn't surprise me in the least. It wouldn't surprise me because you know people. I mean everything you just said. I don't even have to reiterate everything you just said. I mean everything you just said. I don't even have to reiterate everything you just said. Everything you just said is so accurate and such a great depiction of where we're at, where our brains are.

Speaker 2: 17:51

At that short attention span, that need for a constant it's like that dopamine hit. You know, of news, negative news, whatever the news is mostly negative, combative stuff. You know it's it's the dopamine hit that people get from that over and over again. And of course, they know that they've studied this and this is why you have 24 hour news and it's really just a repeat of the same things over and over and over again. You know there's nothing dramatically new, it's just the constant repeat. But people get that in in their brains and they can't function without. You know, I don't know, knowing what the president Trump had for lunch today, it's like crazy, crazy, crazy and very, very mentally unhealthy. And I know, I know a few people who have that running in the background of their lives constantly, like the news is always on, always on. It's like dude. Like the news is always on, always on. It's like dude, go outside touch grass and listen.

Speaker 3: 18:43

you know you and I do this once a week. I know you do prep. I know I do prep. You know I blog a couple of times a week. You're constantly doing political commentary stuff. Right, this is what you and I do and this is not my life Like. You have to take a break from this stuff for your own mental well-being. But the networks I'm going to best you on your transition. The networks are reacting to ratings.

Speaker 3: 19:07

And when the ratings suck when the ratings suck, there are repercussions, right. So Joy Reid for those of you that aren't tracking and I think everybody's tracking Joy Reid got fired from MSNBC because why Her ratings suck. And why do her ratings suck? Because all she does is bash President Trump and the Republican, conservative side of things which crushed the election. Like, if you don't change your programming, no one's gonna watch it, and she didn't. And now she's out of a job.

Speaker 2: 19:39

Out of a job. And what does she do? She cries about it. And she didn't. And now she's out of a job. Out of a job. And what does she do? She cries about it. I'm sorry.

Speaker 6: 19:45

That, um that what I was doing had value.

Speaker 3: 19:51

Had value. Yeah, if it had value, people would watch it. Right, people are not watching it. Did you see Rachel Maddow?

Speaker 2: 20:01

Yes. Yes On the same, I don't you know, just in case somebody doesn't know. On the same network, same network. Yep and she came out in support of her friend Joy she did.

Speaker 3: 20:11

Yeah, she came out and she, she, you know, basically told MSNBC that they were making a huge mistake, uh, that she respected nobody more and, you know, cared about nobody more in the business than Joy Reid. And you know she said the same thing of value, like Joy Reid was of value. She also, you know, played the guilty white person race card and said, you know the fact that they kept her and Jen Psaki is the only. You know two people, you know two hosts you know, on a solo show and they both happen to be white. You know it was a mistake. Whatever the news networks are figuring out again that this is a business and if the ratings don't support it, you're done. Listen, I've said this before Gutfeld is, to me, is not a great show. People love it. It's the highest rated show. It beats the, you know, it beats um, um, all the nightly entertainment post news, you know, um shows all all. It's number one in the ratings and it stays on.

Speaker 2: 21:11

Yeah, I'll tell you what I'm going to. I'm going to tell you, and and everyone watching and listening, something that might be shocking. I've never watched a single one of these shows. I have never watched. I can't even name for you one new show that I have watched for more than a clip, you know a necessary clip, and it kind of goes back to what we were saying before about.

Speaker 2: 21:37

You know, this is this is what we do for a living, this is this is our job, this is what we do, um, but we also have a life and I don't want to be sucked into the vortex of this negativity. Uh, you know, like I was telling you, the person that I know that watches it, has it in the background 24, seven. Um, I'm not that person. I, I take as much, I consume as much as I need to to be able to talk about the things that I need to talk about and know the things that I need to know, and that's it. I couldn't.

Speaker 2: 22:06

You know, I go on X and all of these. Um, you know people who, who are apparently a big deal in our field. I don't know who they are, no idea, no clue whatsoever, and I make no apologies for it? I am idea no clue whatsoever and I make no apologies for it. I am. I am actually gleefully saying that because it's it's. I live a very peaceful, happy life and I'm not going to trade that for anything you know, yeah, I do a little more interacting than you do.

Speaker 3: 22:31

I know that you on on your, you know, on your social media is you, you know your interaction is is pretty low and good for you for controlling that. I do, you know, interact with folks. You know, when I blog and I get some negative reactions and some of them are pretty visceral and okay and I'll interact, I'll do a little bit of back and forth, but when I'm done with you I just stop, I stop. You know, and you know I've had people come back and be like oh, you don't have anything else to say. Oh, clearly, you know I'm right, no, it's because I'm tired of listening to you.

Speaker 2: 23:00

I'm just done with you. Yeah, I just actually have a life and I and you don't matter.

Speaker 3: 23:11

You are not as relevant to me as you think you are. Yeah, yeah, I'm not sitting here entertaining discussions with you know, six or 700 people at a time.

Speaker 2: 23:16

Like I'm out, like I gotta take the trash out, I gotta go, like you know, like I have a life, yeah, yeah, I've got, I've. You know, I've had people get, you know, make kind of angry comments like, oh, she doesn't talk to anybody, she doesn't respond to any comments, which I do. Actually, I respond to, um, I, you know, anywhere from 10 to 20 comments. I mean that's like I don't know, if I had to give an average, that would be my average per post. You know, that's what I aim for. I try to engage. There are definitely posts where I don't, but you know, I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 2: 23:44

I have, uh, I don't know, I have like five platforms that I post to daily, multiple times a day, and they have and I'm so blessed and humbled and grateful that they have high engagement and people are commenting and arguing with each other in there and all of that. Um, I can't. There will be no time to make content if that's all I'm doing. I can't do it. And I need to protect my mental health too because, like you said, people you know love to come in with a negative comments and say some pretty hostile, non-nice things, and it's fine, it doesn't hurt my feelings, it actually helps me, because any engagement in a post is positive as far as the algorithm is concerned. You know what I mean. So I'm like, you know, comment away, tell me how much you hate me, whatever, but I'm not going to engage with you. You know I don't have any need or desire to do that, but but yeah, I just took us so far off the path?

Speaker 3: 24:32

No, not at all. But, like you know, Lester Holt saw the writing on the wall. He knew because of who he is and you know he's a Chicago guy. I mean, I grew up with Lester Holt on the news and he has walked away from NBC, resigned, because he knew that he can't and won't change. You know his approach to things and his ratings are terrible and, truthfully, he was probably going to get fired anyway.

Speaker 2: 24:58

So um, yeah, good on him, smart on him.

Speaker 3: 25:01

And.

Speaker 2: 25:01

I'll even say I'll even say I'll give credit to, uh, rachel Maddow, for you know I don't like her or agree with her, any of those things but I give her lots of credit for for standing up for what she believed there and who she believed in and, um, you know, putting herself potentially at risk. Um, I give her credit for that.

Speaker 3: 25:18

Especially if you look. So you know I think it was about five years ago. She signed that massive, massive contract Maybe it wasn't even that long ago and then she was on for about a year and then she took like a whole year hiatus in her contract and they had all these guest hosts which didn't work out well, and now her show is down to one day a week. She was a five day a week show. She's down to one day a week and so, truthfully, she's not safe either, right?

Speaker 2: 25:45

No, I don't think she is at all, and maybe she knows that too and didn't care. So she's like I'm already. I know I'm next on the chopping block, so what do I care?

Speaker 3: 25:52

Yeah, there's a lot of that going around over there and again abysmal and it's a business. So if you don't get on board and you don't make yourself palatable, you don't even have to have an appeal. But if you're not even palatable by 60% of the viewing audience, you're done Like there's too much out there.

Speaker 2: 26:10

But even you know and I and I say this a little cheeky, cheekily because you know, I know people are going to come in and say there's no such thing as this. But I think even the moderate left, the people who maybe wouldn't identify themselves as being on the left, maybe just simply liberal, they even can't take that constant high level anger and hostility and negativity, because that is all it is. It's just such a constant barrage of hate and anger and I think even they're like you know what?

Speaker 3: 26:44

I just I can't, I gotta go touch grass you know, and so you can see it in the reaction to politicians and we'll do another, another transition, right, right. Wisconsin is prime example. You and I have talked about this, and it's not just us folks, listen. You know. There have been a number of people, high level people in the Democrat party, who have said we have got to change what we're doing, otherwise we're going to keep losing. Right, right and but. But they don't. And so you've got like a prime example. That was the governor of Wisconsin has decided that they are going to remove the word mother from all legal documentation within the state. And what is it? Inseminated person.

Speaker 2: 27:29

Yes, exactly, I've got a graphic. I think we can keep talking while we got the graphic up here. So these are the proposed word changes, name changes, what we have there, of course, the artificially or now the inseminated person instead of mother. That would. That would make a really cute Mother's Day card Right, happy inseminated person's day. Inseminated person. Thanks for getting inseminated, I mean.

Speaker 3: 27:57

You know Hallmark, hallmark is jumping on that.

Speaker 2: 27:59

You know they are you know they are, they have to. Yeah, so you know, again, again trying to erase any bit of common sense or tradition or any sense of normalcy and then to double down I mean I think you know kind of double down on it Like, well, no, yeah, this is, you know, this is the way we're going. Well, no, yeah, this is you know, this is the way we're going, this is what we're doing. And, of course, there's quite a few other liberal states, liberal governors that you know are doing the same type of doubling down on all of this stuff and it's like good do it.

Speaker 3: 28:30

So Gretchen Whitmer is one. So that, just if you saw it or not, so you know, the Supreme Court, you know of the United States, the SCOTUS, has said you know, gay marriage is legal, blah, blah, blah. Right, we're not going to stand in the way of, you know, gay couples and their pursuit of happiness. Ok, fine, right now, the state of Michigan and and their legislature are forwarding a bill where they say, in the state of Michigan, no, right, so the voters right, this is, the voters are saying this Um, and and they're, they're expecting the bill to pass. Um, and the governor, gretchen Whitmer, has said absolutely not, I don't care what the voters say. Wow, and I'm trying to figure out when, somewhere along the way, our elected officials are now ignoring the will of the people, the will of the people that put them in office.

Speaker 2: 29:30

It's just wild, they don't care. And they're just, they're just, they don't care, they don't care, they're just throwing it right out there in the open. They want to be, you know, mini dictators in their states. And, and you know, I don't blame them, because they've gotten away with that for a while. They've gotten away with it. So you know, now they actually believe I think they sincerely believe that this is what they're entitled to do.

Speaker 2: 29:55

And you know it is the responsibility of the voters to make their voices heard and say no. And you know it is the responsibility of the voters to make their voices heard and say no. And you know people, the left gets all up in arms about all of this stuff. But you know, really, this is, this is what you want. You want your states, meaning the people, to have the control of what happens in their state. That is the way it is intended, it was intended to be. That is the way it is intended, it was intended to be. So, whatever it is that you want, whether it's gay marriage or the right to marry yeah, I don't know Whatever Gay marriage or, whatever the case is, Abortion, whatever the case is, whatever your opinion or feeling is, go make it known by your vote. I mean, that's the way it goes and of course you know people like Gretchen uh, gretchen need to be um, just kicked out of there. I was going to swear, yeah.

Speaker 3: 30:47

Listen, I veto power, I get, okay, the president's got veto power, Governors have veto power, Right, and there that's. That's all part of checks and balances within the system. Um and okay, fine. But when you've got a governor who has made it very clear that, no matter what right Because in the checks and balances you have a veto you have a way to override a veto she's made it pretty clear that even if she vetoes and then her veto is overridden, she's going to do nothing. She's going to oppose this in every way possible, probably up to and including obstructing the law because of her personal beliefs versus what the state, you know, citizenry, you know is asking for. So I don't get this. I think we've lost.

Speaker 3: 31:33

Like you said, there's a sense of entitlement for a lot of these folks. We're seeing it in judges. A sense of entitlement for a lot of these folks. We're seeing it in judges. Right, there's appointed judges we talked about earlier. You know the sense of like well, I can do this, I can. You know, it doesn't matter what is good for the country or it doesn't matter what, you know, the constituency says. I'm going to do what I believe is right, and we saw that through COVID. You know the governors who had, you know, the best interest of their people at heart. Kristi Noem is a prime example. They shut down nothing in South Dakota, literally not a thing. And then you have the opposite. And you have New York, right, and we've got there is a whole bunch of dead people based on bad decisions by governors, right, and California, right, we have bad decisions by that governor on a daily basis, but they've lost the bubble on who they work for. Yes, and that is the problem.

Speaker 2: 32:27

Yeah, and you know, and what it'll come down to I guess really is is shame on the voters, shame on the people If you don't make a big stink about this and get them out. I mean, to me it's criminal, you know, I don't know if I'm right or not. If it's criminal, it certainly sounds criminal to me. You're, you're, you know, essentially ignoring the process of what we're founded on, you know.

Speaker 3: 32:51

But yeah, there's a. There's a bit of a loss of decorum by our elected officials another transition. Loss of decorum by our elected officials Another transition. So you know, dan Crenshaw just the other day got caught on a hot mic and he can defend this all he wants, but he's one of three recently that you know have have lost decorum. He was a little bit he was a hot mic, so he wasn't necessarily publicly, but you know he threatened to kill Tucker Carlson.

Speaker 2: 33:23

Yes.

Speaker 3: 33:25

In a response to a question in an interview.

Speaker 2: 33:27

Right, we've got it. We've got it, we can play it.

Speaker 4: 33:29

Play it. Have you ever met Tucker? We've talked a lot.

Speaker 3: 33:32

I haven't met him. He's the worst person have you ever met? Tucker.

Speaker 2: 33:49

So I did purposely play it twice. So his, his part is very quiet because he's not miked at the moment. Yeah, but I've watched it multiple times and you know I of course there's people say, oh, it's AI, it's not everything is AI. Everybody calm down. It's not with the AI. No, I mean that you know it sounded pretty clear. And then he kind of goes a little further with it, further with it, you know, saying he's the worst person in the world. And then Tucker, you know you got to love Tucker. Whether you like Tucker or not, I like his, I like his response.

Speaker 3: 34:26

He was like you want my address? Here's my address. Come on over. It's a bad teenage movie. It's the bully, you know, football player kind of guy, you know picking on the smart kid first, first telling the truth, right, and that's really what it boils down to Listen, crenshaw's a Rhino, uh, straight up. Um, you know, I was I, and he's really shown his colors in the last nine months.

Speaker 2: 34:47

He's got a history of losing his cool, saying crazy aggressive stuff. Know, I mean he doesn't have, he does not have good self-control. That's probably the nicest thing I can come up with to you know, to say about him right now.

Speaker 3: 35:00

I mean and he, he does, you know, he, he uses his, he uses his past service. Right, you know, I, I know, listen. Everybody knows he was a navy seal. Everybody knows he lost his eye in combat. That doesn't give him an excuse to act like an asshole, sorry.

Speaker 2: 35:14

No it doesn't Listen.

Speaker 3: 35:16

I got, I got my. I got my own time. I got both my eyes, but I got my own time. I got plenty of time in combat, um, and that doesn't give you the right to act like an asshole.

Speaker 2: 35:24

And I'll tell you right, he does hide behind that.

Speaker 3: 35:26

He uses that as a you know he, he tries, he uses we refer to it as the vet pass right, like. You can act however you want, but oh, I'm a veteran and nobody's allowed to touch you. Well, I'll say it veteran to veteran, you know he's out of line. It's unprofessional, truthfully, not only as an elected official, but oh, by the way, dan, go back to when you were a Navy officer, unprofessional in public to act like that. You can't hide behind the fact that you're a Navy SEAL. Sorry, pal. And oh, by the way, if you want to pick on somebody, pick on somebody your own size. Come after somebody who's got a little bit more to them than Tucker, right? I mean, if you really want to be a badass, there's plenty of people out there that will step up and go toe to toe with you. I guarantee it. So stop being a bully and be a grownup. But he's not the only one, and that's the problem.

Speaker 3: 36:15

I saw an interview with Jon Stewart and AOC the other day, right, oh, that one. So it was a great interview because she essentially admitted that there's insider trading going on inside of Congress. She said it and you know he applauded her for doing it because she was honest about it. Yeah, and you know he applauded her for doing it because she was honest about it, yeah, but also in the conversation she forgets that she's an elected official and or maybe she doesn't care, but she curses inside of the interview more than once and it's like where where did the decorum go? I know she's trying to be cool and she's trying to be this and she's trying to be that, but we're like she's in an interview that is going to be all over the Internet and she can't maintain that level of professionalism that we expect out of our elected officials.

Speaker 2: 37:01

Yeah, you know, this is a. This is a pattern. This is. This is widespread, you know. You look at Fetterman and his. You know shorts and hoodie all the time. You look at what's her name Jasmine Crockett Is that her name? Yeah, dropping F-bombs. What do you think of? Who is Elon? What would you say to Elon?

Speaker 3: 37:21

Right and just you know in public at a podium, like in front of a microphone, like at a rally. You know, elon Musk like yeah.

Speaker 2: 37:33

So are you kidding me right now? Yeah, oh yeah, it's. It is appalling and I hope I would like to see you know, obviously, of that. You know to say from this point forward, you will, you know, conduct yourself in a way that is representative of your station, of who you are and what you are. You're representing this country. You know there's not a world stage. This isn't your backyard. You know you're not sitting in your house or at some bar talking it up with your friends. You are a representative of the United States of America. Fricking, act like one. I could swear if I want to, and I try not to. Even you should not be swearing. You should be dressed appropriately. You should act appropriately. You should have some kind of code of conduct. I know there is. There is a code of conduct.

Speaker 3: 38:30

While they are in chambers. That's the problem.

Speaker 2: 38:34

There is a code of conduct, while while they are in chambers.

Speaker 3: 38:35

That's the problem. That is the problem, you're right. Rules of decorum inside chambers. So there are certain things you can say and not say, and processes and procedures, but once they step out, they. It used to be that politicians, for the most part in public, would honor the professionalism and the rules of decorum. Right, listen, lbj Lyndon, baines Johnson was a notorious foul mouth, notorious, but he did it in private. Right, he did it behind closed doors. And there are, listen, our politicians are not, and never have been, innocent. However, there is an appearance that needs to be maintained. Right, for the American people. And oh, by the way, now more than ever, because the entirety of the world sees everything that we're doing. Right, they're not reading it in newspaper, they're not, you know, watching an edited clip on TV. They're getting it live, they're getting it on the internet. So, if you can't represent yourself or your nation that way, you probably need to re-examine what you're doing.

Speaker 2: 39:30

Yeah, oh, there needs to be a lot of firings. I think I would like to see a lot of people, either whether it's impeached or fired or I don't know reprimanded at the very least for not respecting the role, not respecting the position, certainly for not respecting the president of the United States. You know, I mean all of those things we just want to say. I think you know I don't try and speak for other people often, but I think I can when I say we just want to see that accountability, we just want to see, you know, the, the simple common sense, uh, respectability, all of those natural, normal things that we shouldn't even have to be mentioning because they're so matter of course but yet here we are.

Speaker 3: 40:20

I think we all want to see that. Yeah, I think my opinion is that the party leadership should be the ones taking the lead on this. Johnson Speaker Johnson should be calling Dan Crenshaw into his office today. Come on in, close the door, right, right, and then read him the riot act, right, period, yeah, and, and that should, and that should be the end of it, like crenshaw should be on his best behavior for the rest of the time he's in office, which I have a sinking feeling is not going to be that long. I don't think so.

Speaker 2: 40:49

So, by the way, I find that whole Crenshaw thing disappointing. I really, initially, in the beginning, I really liked him. I liked him so much. I thought he was going to be a really big deal for the party and for the country really and wow, was I wrong.

Speaker 3: 41:08

It's a shame, what a shame. So, yeah, I would hope that those level of party leaders would, but they won't. I don't know if Johnson will or not, but I know that nobody on the Democratic side is going to call AOC and go hey, clean up your mouth, because she's going to tell them no and she's going to do whatever she wants. So if there aren't any repercussions, then it doesn't really matter. Well, you?

Speaker 2: 41:30

know, you've got, you've got. We're talking about a country where you have federal workers who are mad and refusing to tell essentially their boss, which is the president, five things that they did at work. Today, like you can't even get federal workers to do that willingly, so forget trying to get any of the higher up ones to do anything that they're supposed to do.

Speaker 3: 41:55

Yeah we weren't going to talk about Doge, but there's a pretty visceral response to that whole thing. I wrote a blog on it on Monday and you know DOD's response. Secretary Exif was like listen, we're not doing that. And the reason he said that is because DOD does it anyway, like every unit and every sub organization underneath Department of Defense sends up a weekly sit rep, a situation report. They send it up every week and it's built from the bottom all the way up and it goes into the people that it needs to go into. So he just looked at it and he said we're not doing that. There's a couple of other departments within the government that said the same thing. We're not doing that. We don't work for OPM and Elon has no influence over what we're doing. We're not doing that.

Speaker 2: 42:34

And okay, fine If you're already doing something like that if you're doing what you're supposed to be doing, then it's all good.

Speaker 3: 42:41

But there's, there's so many people that have, you know, just overreacted to this thing. I the blog I wrote about was like this is, like, you know, office space, then the TPS report. You know, it's the same reaction and it's, it's crazy. If you can't take and Elon said it himself five minutes, five bullets, that's it, that's all it takes, you know, and the smart person will figure out, especially if they have a repetitive job, they will write the same five things down and they will submit the same five things every week.

Speaker 2: 43:09

Right, that's all. It's not that hard. It's not that hard people.

Speaker 3: 43:15

Of course, you are the postmaster general.

Speaker 2: 43:18

Oh, that guy. Oh, my goodness. So this is all right. So it's, it's part comical. I couldn't help but laugh. I made a skit about it because it just the lunacy of it. So so let's, let's just show this, let's just show um, our, our postmaster general. So here's here's first, just uh, I think this is the picture, let's see. So here he is covering his ears because he does not want to hear the questioning. And here, here's what happened.

Speaker 6: 43:48

You, were graded by the United States people and they don't use your service anymore. You bankrupt that is not true. You bankrupt this through your reputation, only Through your reputation. You are responsible for the fall of the Postal Service and the lack of accountability. Congress is responsible for the fall of the Postal Service. I am trying to fix the Postal Service On your watch with all the AI. Before my watch, the same stuff happened With all the AI, with all the computer systems.

Speaker 6: 44:13

You're worse than if I took a horse and picked up the mail and delivered it two miles down the road.

Speaker 2: 44:19

So yeah, so there's that. So now, mind you, this guy's been on the job for quite a while, so he's saying he's trying to fix it. You know, since he's been there he's been trying to fix it. Well, last year they reported $9.5 billion, with a B in net losses for 2024. So that includes pension contributions for its retirees and workers' compensation claims for employees injured on the job. You've got an 80% decrease in volume of outgoing mail, but he added 190,000 employees. Make it make sense, right, make it make sense.

Speaker 3: 44:59

So it's. You know, everybody knows, with email, right Email covers, that's where the 80% decrease in outgoing mail comes from. Email, electronic bill pay technology is doing the work of the postal service right. The problem is is that we are reaching that point of the peak of employment which was in the 70s and into the 80s, right Of the postal service and now those folks who were hired back then.

Speaker 3: 45:25

For those that don't know, if you work at the postal service there is no use or lose vacation or sick time. So if you don't use your vacation it continues to accrue for your entire career. I know of multiple people personally who worked 35, 40 years at the post office. You know, said I'm retiring and they had 12 or 13 months of paid vacation or sick time that they just didn't work, they took it all at the end. They stayed fully paid for 12 to 13 months before they took their pension. So somebody's got to do that job right. And so you know. Now you've got you know, and I don't know what the percentage is, but any good organization has an overage to cover for vacations, to cover for sick, to cover for right. So say it's a 10%. Now you're incurring that load of personnel for a year, and this is not uncommon folks, so you know, any business that loses $9.5 billion in a year is out of business.

Speaker 2: 46:32

Yeah, out of business. You're done. You're done and you're out of a job if you're the guy or woman who's supposed to be in charge of making that operation run efficiently and well. I mean, this is probably one of the greatest examples of horrific, unchecked mismanagement, poor management, zero management, and then you know the arrogance and the audacity to cover your ears, Cause are you kidding me? What a child.

Speaker 3: 46:59

Right, I mean, that was that was.

Speaker 2: 47:01

That was actually kind of shocking, like I can't believe that I am witnessing a grown man covering his ears Cause he doesn't want to hear. It's just crazy to me Again, you see, this is why, if I think to laugh about this, if I don't laugh, it's going to make me crazy Clay.

Speaker 3: 47:19

Yeah, and you said it. It's horrible management, it's the worst kind of leadership. But at the same time, these are the things that the general public doesn't know about, right, and they look at and when they find out they're appalled. But at the same time, you are going to have because they're going to start closing down things in the post office, you're going to see post offices close. You're going to see postal carriers that are going to get you know, let go get fired Like they're going to shrink the post office as a result of this, and you are going to have all kinds of people that are going to be screaming and yelling that we need the post office. We can't shrink the post office. You know, I know people who are postal carriers. What are they supposed to do for a job? Listen, I hate it for them. I do, yes, but like. This is.

Speaker 3: 48:07

The reason why we are trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars in debt is because of stupid crap like this. This is. This is inexcusable, but this is. This is what the president ran on and this is what he's been doing for the five weeks he's been in office. Right? This isn't even doge, right? This is just. This is out in the open how bad this is being run.

Speaker 2: 48:26

Yeah, this is. This is a matter of you know, like you said, president Trump doing exactly what he said he was going to do. He's going to root out all of the misappropriations, the misuse, the fraud, the wasteful spending, all of the things to make America great again. Give us our money back, put it back in our pockets, stop bleeding us dry. All of the things that he promised is exactly what he's doing. So to act shocked and get mad because it's happening. You know, and I agree with you.

Speaker 2: 48:58

Yes, of course, I feel I feel bad for anybody who is facing the loss of their job. You know that's terrifying to, especially when you have a family. You know all of the things in life, but you know, just like you did with the other federal employees, I'm sure they're going to get quite a bit of notice. And you know, I don't know. I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I mean, this is really about the good of the entire country and if you want to be angry at anyone, be angry at the previous administrations, and I add an S to the end of that. This to happen, to get to this point where it has to be so drastic and so shocking and just like to gut everything, because on everybody else's watch, it was allowed to just keep snowballing and snowballing, and snowballing and snowballing. And here we are. You know trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars in debt. You know the things that they're finding. It is just shocking, appalling. So yeah, it is what it is.

Speaker 2: 49:54

But, not as much as a not enough to want it to stop, that's for sure.

Speaker 3: 49:59

Yeah, you said it, plural administrations. I keep going back to 1992, right, Cause I think that a lot of this started with president Clinton and his administration. You know and so and, and it's been snowballed since then. So you know if you've been, no matter which party you're supporting, like they're both guilty. There is administrations on both sides of the aisle that are responsible During the war was part of it. I know that you know big, big gov as a concept is the reason we are where we are now. So if you've been voting for that and supporting it, you own part of this, and I can't say that enough.

Speaker 3: 50:35

I feel bad for people too. I'm tired of listening to people say oh, what about so-and-so? My friend, this, Okay, who did you vote for? Who have you been voting for? Have you been voting? Have you been holding your elected officials accountable? No, and it's the apathy that you talked about earlier and that's kind of where we're at. But now we've got an active insurgency inside of our own government, Right, and as President Trump is again honoring a campaign promise to clean out, you know, illegal aliens, Now we've got an insurgency in some of these blue states and blue cities that are putting our law enforcement at risk.

Speaker 2: 51:13

Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is infuriating, absolutely infuriating. So you have, let's see, well, of course you have. You know. You have cities like Boston and San Diego who are like reaffirming their commitment to their sanctuary policies or like doubling down on it. You've got people like AOC who are, you know, giving out instructions how to you know right, to avoid ICE or to not get detained. I forget exactly what. You know, some cases where they're they're complying not nearly enough, but you have, let's see. You have, let's see. I'm reading my notes, as you can tell, let's see, there was one I wanted to find for you. Oh, this was the one. So this is in surprise, surprise.

Speaker 2: 51:52

Los Angeles, oh, yeah, right, you know, actively disrupting ICE operations by posting flyers that reveal the names and personal information of ICE agents, including, you know, their photos and phone numbers. So they're doxing them, you know, and putting them, like you said, clay, you know, at risk, in risk of harm. Know, at risk, in risk of harm. You know, wow is all I can say. And you know that you've got these. You know idiot politicians that are fueling this and that are feeding this information, because where else are they going to get it? Really, you know, they call it activist interference, but you know a lot of these politicians they're. They're activists disguised as politicians.

Speaker 3: 52:31

It's an insurgency, that's what this?

Speaker 3: 52:33

is. This is an insurgency and they're putting our law enforcement at risk because of a difference of opinion on whether or not the specific laws should be enforced. Whether you like it or not, folks, if someone is here illegally, they are a criminal. Okay, period, over and out. So our law enforcement are tasked to enforce the law. President Trump has made this a priority. He ran on it. That's what the American public voted for. It's been a mandate and our law enforcement officers that everybody defended. When they raided Mar-a-Lago, everybody defended them. Now we've got law enforcement agents enforcing the law and they're getting thrown under the bus and, truthfully, their lives are being put at risk because people disagree with what they're doing. This is an insurgency. Thankfully and I say this with all shock there are cities like Chicago that are actually turning against their politicians. So the mayor of Chicago I could not believe this the other day the mayor of Chicago has an and I don't know which is worse an 80% disapproval rating, did you?

Speaker 3: 53:36

say 80% 80, 80% disapproval rating or only a 7% approval rating, like I don't know. I don't know which one of public programs are being cut that normally go to this. You know the residents of the city, but those programs are being cut to benefit illegal aliens, the sanctuary city, prospect and all these other things. But so you've got at least one city out there that said we're done with this crap, and they're and they're turning against it. So kudos to Chicago and the residents there for for turning against the mayor, who is done with this crap, and they're turning against it. So kudos to Chicago and the residents there for turning against the mayor, who is a piece of trash. He's got a lot of problems, but this is one of the big issues. But everywhere else you said it Los Angeles, san Diego, boston. That lady's a lunatic, lunatic. Yes, it's all bad.

Speaker 2: 54:28

Maine. Different set of circumstances, different case, but just another example of these, you know, democrat politicians believing that they don't have to follow the laws like crazy and they don't have to follow what their voters are telling them to do. And you know, they're, they're, they're come up, they're come up and come up, it's right, yeah, we'll come, it will come, it will happen. Well, that was a hard one for me to say. Yeah, holy cow, it's just, it's, it's wild, it's wild. And you know, I think again having the nerve to speak for more people. You know, we expect to see some consequences for this. There has to be consequence for this. This isn't, you know, witch hunt. This isn't retribution for what, trump, this is just common sense. If you're breaking the law, if you're, you know, ignoring the laws of the land, if you're ignoring your voters, what they are telling you to do, you're out, you're gone.

Speaker 3: 55:27

So you know, and that is a theme right now across social media, and I think people, there's a little bit of patience that needs to be, you know, taken in some of this, but there's been an overwhelming, that sentiment has been overwhelmingly out there, and that is we want to see people held accountable. Whether it's the Epstein list, whether it's Diddy, whether it's whatever it is, you know they want to see people held accountable. They want to see people held accountable. You know, there's the whole nother topic, which we won't touch, but the chat rooms at the NSA, right, all of those people are going to get fired. There are people within the FBI that have been identified as leaking ICE information. They're going to be held accountable. That's already been put out. So you know, I know Kristi Noem and Tulsi Gabbard have been, you know, kind of all over this stuff and they're going to hold some folks accountable. Don't make mom mad, that's what's going on. Yeah, that's what everybody wants right now. Is they want?

Speaker 2: 56:19

exactly what we wanted, because there's been no accountability.

Speaker 2: 56:22

Yeah, so to the answer to the. You know, the answer to the age old leftist question of the right these days is I hope you're happy, oh, I'm, I'm thrilled, I'm thrilled, I am ecstatic and I want more, more, more. And you know, just, we'll close out on the perfect example of how completely out of touch the leftist politicians are. You know, angry, angry, angry at the right for trying to save us money. And this guy is always the one, always talking about fiscal responsibility. Look what he's doing.

Speaker 5: 56:56

I am once again asking for your financial support. I don't have to tell anybody that we're living in dangerous and unprecedented times. We are fighting now against the oligarchs Elon Musk and the others who are essentially running the government.

Speaker 2: 57:11

Yeah, I'll stop right there. I'm once again asking you for money.

Speaker 3: 57:16

The socialist.

Speaker 2: 57:17

Yeah, the socialist.

Speaker 3: 57:19

Socialist is asking for more money Now. Bernie's got three houses.

Speaker 2: 57:25

Yes, Bernie's a millionaire.

Speaker 3: 57:27

I don't see Bernie putting one on the market and donating to his own cause, right.

Speaker 2: 57:32

Bernie, why are you asking people for money when you got the money you creep yeah. So there's. There's your example of you know the lunacy, the craziness and and I say it over and over again I don't blame them, I blame the people who keep voting these people in shame. On you, yep. You get what you get, but you know you also inflict the rest of us with it. So how about stop it? We made it through.

Speaker 3: 58:02

We made it through. I mean I think we had everything. I think we had everything, oh my gosh, we're amazing.

Speaker 2: 58:07

Yes, I will toot our own horn and talk about how amazing we are. Oh my goodness. Yeah, that was a. That was a packed episode. Great topics. Great job, clay Clay. I think I've told you this before, but Clay is the master of picking out our topics. He makes my life so easy. I am so grateful because my brain gets so overwhelmed by how many topics there are and things that we could talk about. He takes that off my plate, so I thank you. Great ones, as always.

Speaker 3: 58:33

Yeah, Another great listen. I all I do is just pick, I cherry pick, because keeps giving us all this gold and we just work our way through it. So I just picked the fun ones and the ones that I know that you want to talk about and that I think our audience want to hear about. So that's what we do every week and we appreciate everybody tuning in and, as always for me, keep moving, keep shooting.

Speaker 2: 58:52

Take care guys.

Speaker 1: 58:54

Combat veteran Terry Davis left a life of violence for the quiet Midwest prairie, but a terror threat pulls him back into action In Tampa. He makes allies and enemies as the danger unfolds. Relying on his combat-owned skills, terry faces a threat far bigger than he imagined. Unsure of who to trust, one thing is certain to survive, he must keep moving, keep shooting.

Speaker 4: 59:13

Welcome to Chance the series you'll fall in love with. Picture a small town so warm and inviting you'll wish it were real. That's Chance a place where laughter echoes through quiet streets and every neighbor feels like family. Elsa Kurtz's six-book series captures the soul of small-town life. Follow the lives of five families as they weather life's highs and lows Love blossoming, friendships forming hearts breaking and healing in unexpected ways. We'll see you next time.