Drones, Drama, and Dilemmas

What drives a person to risk everything for a stranger? As we unwrap the captivating narrative of Daniel Penny, a Marine Corps veteran caught in a whirlwind of legal and public scrutiny after a New York subway incident, we pose the provocative question: When is it right to step into the role of a hero? We take you through the layers of racial dynamics introduced by District Attorney Alvin Bragg and the broader moral dilemmas that accompany such actions. By examining Penny's motivations and the ensuing societal challenges, we offer a nuanced perspective on the complex reality of modern-day heroism.

Turning the spotlight on the shocking case of Luigi Mangione, we dive into the unexpected and mystifying developments surrounding his high-profile murder charge. The interplay of internet sleuths and conspiracy theories adds an intriguing layer to this saga, revealing the power of media influence and public perception. Amidst this chaos, we empathize with Penny’s emotional struggles as he grapples with the relentless backlash. This chapter highlights the psychological burden carried by individuals thrust into the limelight by circumstances beyond their control, and the polarized societal reactions that follow these events.

The episode then broadens its horizon to address America's conflicting attitudes toward violence and the global stage's perception of leadership. From the Syrian conflict and potential U.S. involvement to the curious case of mysterious drones over New Jersey, we weave through these diverse topics, inviting listeners to ponder their own theories and insights. Join us as we embark on a thoughtful exploration of these pressing issues, aiming to provoke deeper reflection and foster engaging discussions among our audience.

Chapters

• 0:00 Heroism in the New York Subway
• 15:39 Controversy Surrounding CEO Assassination
• 25:29 Violence and Media Influence
• 38:03 Syrian Conflict and US Involvement
• 43:33 Global Reactions to President Trump
• 51:08 Unexplained Drones in New Jersey
• 58:02 Terry Davis

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

It's the Elsa Kurt Show with Clay Novak. Conservative views on world news Brought to you by the Wellness Company. Prepare for the unexpected and Refuge Medical. And now it's time for the show.

Speaker 2: 0:22

It's not like I don't see the intro thing counting down. I'm like, oh, I can take that sip really fast. Yeah, I can't. No, I can't yeah.

Speaker 3: 0:28

You should work at NASA, right yeah.

Speaker 2: 0:33

Be so perfect there. Oh my goodness, how are you?

Speaker 3: 0:36

I'm good. How are you?

Speaker 2: 0:37

I'm good, I'm good. Are you ready for Christmas?

Speaker 3: 0:41

Yeah, I love this time of year, love the cold weather. I love the you know, the changing scenery. I I do. I love it. Um, I'm a hot weather guy normally, but uh this time of year, the fall, and then in the early winter.

Speaker 2: 0:53

I do love and, yeah, I'm um I'm better about it now that I go to florida every month. I don't I don't mind it so much. I mean, at at this time of year I get really. I try not to get anxious, but I get anxious anyway. You know, just travel, that is the weather going to mess things up, you know. So I'm like if I don't think about it, if I don't talk about it, everything will be fine. But at the same time I'm like, oh my gosh, I've been really lucky with my travel for the past like probably like dozen or so trips, I know.

Speaker 2: 1:46

I know I make I. Why do I do these things? Oh, oh, my goodness. So we have a lot of stuff, uh, on tap today. I just Clay was laughing at me and not a lot of not a lot of presidential stuff, which is even better.

Speaker 3: 1:59

Yeah, In the last few months focused on the election and president Trump. We got a little bit of president Trump trump. We got a whole bunch of other stuff and we will kick that off right after this.

Speaker 2: 2:26

Yeah, so jumping right in. I kind of like my title here. I can't take any credit for it. I saw somebody posted like a meme and it was a did you see that?

Speaker 3: 2:40

It was a penny.

Speaker 2: 2:40

Yeah, so Lincoln's head with his profile. Yeah, yes, so it was. It was not an original thought of mine, I confess not that any of you actually thought it was, I'm sure you didn't but yeah, what a you know what a story. Huh Like, this whole thing to me is just, it's just wild. So I can't imagine that anybody doesn't know what's going on.

Speaker 2: 3:03

But Daniel Penny he's a Marine veteran, marine Corps veteran. He subdued a violent, aggressive man, jordan Neely, on New York subway and the man subsequently died. And now I think it's important to know if anybody that doesn't know this story, it's important to know that and it'll matter in a minute um, that he was helped by a black person and I'm making a point of saying this because there's a reason for making a point of saying that, of course and he was saving the lives of fellow subway travelers. Um, because this guy was threatening to, you know, harm people, hurt people, kill people. But, of course, travelers, um, because this guy was threatening to, you know, harm people, hurt people, kill people. But of course, uh, what happened, daniel? Uh, no, uh, alvin Bragg and all of those clowns decided to, uh, you know, make a, make an example of him. I guess that's the only way I can look at it. Right, they're like trying to make an example of him. Like you're not going to do this on our subway.

Speaker 3: 4:04

Yeah, this is a a a don't take justice into your own hands. That's the angle anyway. I mean it's a, you know, no, no vigilantism, you know kind of play and and in reality you know you could go. You could make a lot of arguments along the way in this process. You could argue he never should have been charged. But he was charged, he was imprisoned. He did spend some time incarcerated, I think, as this process went on, but the system worked to an extent.

Speaker 3: 4:41

He received a trial. It was a jury trial. There were some challenges and deliberation and then eventually, you know, he was found innocent of all charges, whether they were dropped or whether he was found innocent. All the charges were removed, you know, and he's kind of he's, he's been exonerated in what he did. But yeah, you're right, alvin Bragg, the district attorney, you know the same guy who went after President Trump, the district attorney. You know the same guy who went after President Trump. He turned this into a race issue. He turned it into a vigilantism issue. You know all kinds of things and thankfully Some common sense prevailed and Daniel Penny walked away, a free man.

Speaker 2: 5:18

Yeah, you know, and it's. It's hard enough to get people to stand up and do the right thing anymore. Right, you know? And here's a guy who did the right thing against all probably all better judgment, Although he has said we actually we do have a nice clip from him. Just such an unassuming guy. Yeah. So here he is in his own words. Let's watch that first.

Speaker 5: 5:40

I mean, I'm not a confrontational person, I don't really extend myself. I think this type of thing is very uncomfortable. All this attention and limelight is very uncomfortable and I would prefer without it. I didn't want any type of attention or praise or and I still don't the guilt I would have felt if someone did get hurt, if he did do what he was threatening to do. I would never be able to live with myself and I'll take a million court appearances and people calling me names and people hating me just to keep one of those people from getting hurt or killed.

Speaker 2: 6:27

I mean, talk about a good guy, right, talk about a good guy and to get villainized? You know the way that part of the population has done is just despicable and you know, as I started to say, it's a discouragement for people to get involved in it. And you know we don't need people to be discouraged from helping their fellow man and woman, and you know this is the kind of thing that people are going to. If they weren't already thinking twice, this will do it again. Thankfully, he was acquitted of everything, but once again, not unlike the George Floyd drama, the left tries to paint this guy like he was just this good guy. You know all he was doing was. You know he was just on the on the subway, not a bad guy.

Speaker 3: 7:16

The three most predominant voices in this. Actually there's four. Jamal Brown came out, tweeted yesterday. This is an elected official folks Representative. You know this is the right. He's the fire alarm guy.

Speaker 3: 7:30

He started his X post with two all white people, so that in and of itself, I don't even have to say the rest of it, I don't have to read the rest of it. You guys can all imagine, if you haven't seen it, what the rest of that post on X looks like. And it was a threat of violence is really what it was. There was BLM representation there, some of the leadership of BLM making some of the same kinds of violent, you know, kind of overarching, nonspecific threats. You know there was a statement by everybody's favorite idiot, aoc, who said you know, this is why we don't ride subways, as if this was unprovoked. And then the most outlandish which is saying a lot for this case, because there's a lot of stuff here the most outlandish was that young man's father on top of it and I say father, I don't say dad, right Biological father, who essentiallyed him multiple times in his life, left him to be, you know, the kids, this young man who was, you know, killed at the hand, and I'm totally in defense of Daniel Penny, right, you know, killed as a result of that chokehold. You know that kid's mom passed away when he was younger. His dad abandoned him, he never helped him and now, all of a sudden, his dad wants a civil suit and he wants settlement for this. Rigged those. And now, all of a sudden, his dad wants a civil suit and he wants settlement for this. Rigged those are his words. Rigged, you know the system's. Rigged for undying who he never gave a crap about in the first place. Let's not make any mistakes. So, you know, in the wake of this, everybody is kind of showing their true colors.

Speaker 3: 8:57

But I think, you know, that clip of Daniel Penny means a lot to an entire generation of veterans. And I say that because we and I include myself in this as a part of that generation we all, for 20 years, span Iraq and Afghanistan. A lot of us became pretty intimate with violence. And we are not a violent culture as civilians. No, not at all. If we were, everybody would know about it, because there are literally 20 years of us floating around. Yeah, and Daniel Penny is, you know, he's one of us. So you know, we're not a violent crowd, but we have the capability, yeah, and to apply that selectively, the way he did to protect those people, you know, on the subway car and he said it he wouldn't have been able to sleep with himself if any of those, if he had not acted and something had happened to somebody on the car, he wouldn't be able to sleep with himself.

Speaker 3: 9:55

I can promise you too, for all of you that feel like he's you know he is a villain or villainizing him. He knew that this, you know that application of violence was going to stick with him. He didn't know that. He that you know that, that he was going to kill somebody as a result, but he knew that this was going to stick with him. We all know that instinctively, and so I'm sure he didn't make that decision lightly.

Speaker 3: 10:20

I'm sure he did an instantaneous risk assessment of you know, this could happen, this could happen, this could happen. But if I don't do anything, this could happen and this could happen and he acted and I admire him for it, I congratulate him for it. You know. I know he didn't go into that wanting to kill that young man. I know he didn't Right, but that was the end result. So you know, daniel Penny, while he has been exonerated and found innocent. He'll never be able to go on with his life normally because of the trial and because of the press and everything else. But I can promise you he is not unaffected by the idea that he took the life of someone else. He's not doing well because of that or inside of that. I can promise you.

Speaker 2: 11:02

Yeah, absolutely. And you made such a good point and I think that is either forgotten or ignored by the civilian population that you know, for the most part, men and women who have seen and had to perform acts of violence on other people as part of their career or calling, they usually do want to live like really quiet lives, like they appreciate the vet more than anyone else. I think there's an appreciation for life and for peace and and I I agree with you wholeheartedly I think Daniel Penny is a perfect example of that. I think you know he would have rather not. You know, given the option right, given the choice, he would have rather not. You know, given the option right, given the choice, he most certainly would rather have not right, yeah, yeah, and you know, but this is so. This is so typical of the left and the people that they choose to esteem, to put on pedestals. And again another this is another career criminal who they're using as their poster child.

Speaker 2: 12:07

Now Jordan Neely. Let's see. He had mental health issues, a lengthy rap sheet I think I saw like 44 arrests or something like that who was threatening people with violence on the train. There are videos of him getting in altercations with people on the street. He was a um for a period of time. I guess he was a michael jackson street performer yeah that's, you know, something they did.

Speaker 2: 12:31

There's a video of him having an altercation with somebody you know, attacking them essentially, um, so this is a really unwell person and, you know, the big failing here, of course, is our healthcare system and all of that. I think he was homeless at the time. You know all of the things. Now he can get tons of sympathy for the conditions of his life that put him in that position. The father, you know, bad, bad or neglectful parenting, a system that cannot help people. They're just overrun by mental health crisis. You know all of those things.

Speaker 2: 13:09

But it doesn't change the fact that he was trying to bring harm on other people. So it's not a point where you sit back and go oh well, he's got problems, so we just let him go, let him be, let him, let him, you know, bludgeon somebody or attack them or choke them. Let him do it, cause he doesn't. You know he's not well, come on, it's just absurd, all of it's absurd. And then to take that next step, which is what the left always does, they pick their poster child so that they can incite riots which didn't work Right. There were some marches, I think, nothing like the George Floyd riots, and you know, everybody, I think, except leftist elites, have gotten the memo that this isn't going to fly anymore. Nobody's falling for it anymore. You know just your little crew of Looney Tunes who think this is all a good idea and that they're going to drum up their you know a cause for themselves and BLM they just crept out of the woodwork again. Please go back to your mansion that you bought with everybody's money.

Speaker 3: 14:07

There's a lot of things to you know really kind of take a step back and look at and, and you know you hit on a lot of it. But it's like you know Jamal Brown, this whole you know um threats of violence against white people. You know he's, he says that from an elected office, behind a security detail that guy's never going to, that's, that's never a concern for him. Nope, like Jamal Brown's not riding the subway, like that's not happening Exactly, he's not exposed to that, right. And so you know, had this, let's take Daniel Penny out of the picture. Let's say he wasn't on the subway that day. Let's say that you know violence, this guy did lose his ass, you know what I mean. He lost his mind and he did hurt somebody on the subway. That would have been local news, right, For one night.

Speaker 2: 14:56

Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3: 14:57

And then, and then he would have. He would have been arrested, the person that he assaulted on the train would have been treated and released from the hospital. Right, he would have been released on his own recognizance or under some sort of bail, and then nobody would have heard a single thing about this ever again.

Speaker 2: 15:12

No, the only thing the most right, the absolute most you would hear Right, absolutely. He would have done it again and again and again. And if you heard a blip about it at all, it would be somebody saying something along those of awful how nobody helps, huh, people just sit around and let it happen. Shame, if I was there if I was there.

Speaker 3: 15:38

I would have stopped it. I applaud Daniel Penny, but I also feel for him. I do, I totally feel for him. I really hope, because this, you know, this whole thing has been a I'm sure has been a, you know, mental, social, you know psychological strain, emotional strain on him and I hope that he's got good people around him and a good support network, because I know this hasn't been easy. So, um, I, you know, I, I don't applaud him, you know, and I, I wouldn't, I don't applaud, I don't, you know, none of us hope for violence, nobody hopes for what happened. But I bought him for stepping in, having the courage to do so. Um, and I, just, you know, I hope that he comes out of this, that he comes out of this, okay, because anybody who thinks that he's not affected by it really has no, clearly affected, right, yeah, nobody, they don't understand.

Speaker 2: 16:17

And he's highly recognizable. You know he's got a very distinct look.

Speaker 2: 16:21

I mean you can't miss them, you can't miss them, you know. So, no matter where he goes, he's going to be recognized. It's going to be a long time before this dies down, so to speak. And yeah, he's got a rough run and, of course, just on the human level, like you said, just the emotional toll that that takes on you, all of it, every aspect of it, the actual event, the aftermath, all of it. And to know, you know, and just as a social media personality, just people saying mean things to you on the internet in general gives you pause, like what, like I'm just a person and you are coming out with the most like heinous, vile comments and things to say. And then you have this and the things that people have said about him, and no doubt to him, as he's going in and out of anywhere, really the courthouse, just on the street. You know, that's a lot, that's a lot. That's a lot to take.

Speaker 3: 17:21

Yeah, and it's not going to end for him anytime soon. Like his, his recognized, you know, his recognition, recognizability in public is going to last for a little while. There's a little bit of sting there and so he's going to. He's going to keep feeling this for a while, you know, and sometimes it works against you, right, and and you know Penny's case it's going to work against him emotionally, but sometimes it works for the good, because sometimes the McDonald's guy figures out who you are and calls the police.

Speaker 2: 17:53

Yes. So I got to say everything about this story is a head scratcher, like every single part of it and, as you can see by the title, for me the biggest thing. Again, I go back to how the left has responded to any of these events, any of the things that go on, how the left responds to it and some on the right. There are some people with this particular. There's some people on the right too that have made some eyebrow raising comments and statements and opinions about the whole thing. So, yeah, here we got a picture of him. Do we have a picture of him? Or video? Let's see what do we have? Luigi, luigi, yes, luigi Mangione, I believe. So, yes, he assassinated I mean, it's no other word for it really Murder, of course, but assassinated was what he did. Ceo, what's his name? Again? Clay Bryan.

Speaker 3: 18:46

United Healthcare was who he worked for.

Speaker 2: 18:48

Yeah, so yeah, sorry His name is escaping me but murders him out in the street, cold blood, just shoots him dead and manhunt happens. They find the backpack, this and that there's a reward, and somebody in McDonald's of all places identifies him, recognizes him and calls it in and he gets arrested. And so the internet interneted and immediately, right and immediately dug up. You know, within it's not even digging up, it's just typing the name in the search bar and you know everything, from his Goodreads list to his I don't know Instagram or something. You know, we're instantly flooding all of the social media platforms and he is not what anybody expected him to be. I don't think. You know. Everybody expected him to be, technically, honestly, a left-wing loony and he doesn't seem technically to be either right or left right. I mean, I don't think he really has, there's not a lot of political stuff from him.

Speaker 3: 19:50

No, I mean I don't think he really has. It's not a lot of political stuff from him. No, I mean he does come from a wealthy family. He is Ivy League educated. He did have some you know back surgery and evidently some pain involved and that's part of what drove him with this.

Speaker 3: 20:03

But you know, there was so much speculation right away, including me. Like I looked at this and I was like within hours I was like that kid's dead in a ditch, whoever away, including me. Like I looked at this and I was like within hours I was like that kid's dead in a ditch, whoever that is. Like I thought he was paid off, I thought he was, you know, placed as a stooge. And there's still some speculation out there. I don't know if you've seen the unibrow right. There's the unibrow thing right. Is this the right guy? You know there's a lot there's there added up. You know there was reports that he had gotten on a bus from Atlanta and come up to New York. He'd been up there for a month. You know, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3: 20:39

And now he's got a manifesto and you know, and a ghost gun and you know, a suppressor and all this stuff. None of it is really matching up, which is why there's a ton of conspiracy theory stuff going on Right, because you know we've been dumped a ton of information. None of it seems to line up or make sense and you know the FBI and the law enforcement community that's managing this hasn't done a great job of you know kind of laying things out as they know it. But no, not politically motivated. This is straight up like. He hates all medical insurance and specifically UnitedHealth, and he decided he was going to kill the CEO as a statement of sorts, and that was all in his manifesto. He acted alone and all of that other stuff.

Speaker 3: 21:29

But the sick part of this is exactly what the banner says this kid like. The thing that grossed me out more than anything else and normally I just shake my head at people is the amount of women. You have Listen, the cleaned up pictures of this kid when he was in his prime and Ivy league or shortly thereafter, like he's a fit kid. You know he's got a. You know pretty good, he's a good looking kid, I guess. And and there's a lot of women that, whether joking or not, have been like you know there's a picture of him. I don't know if you've seen it. He's like shirtless, maybe hiking.

Speaker 2: 21:59

Oh yeah, that's the one they're all going crazy over. What is wrong with women?

Speaker 3: 22:02

You make me so embarrassed to be part of that To see that and be like oh Luigi, yeah, he's a murderer, but I can fix him. Like even as a joke, that's gross, like you have a serious, serious problem. But there are people in the you know Che Guevara t-shirt wearing community that look at this kid, damn the man. And you know he stood up for the little guy. And you know there's a lot of that going around, yes, and a lot of you know there's a lot of that going around, yes, a lot of you know the guy from United Health deserved it, got what he had. I mean what happened to us, right, what?

Speaker 2: 22:39

happened to us. Yeah, I am truly appalled, I'm sickened, made ill in my heart to see the amount of everything that you said, that they're like two separate but equal uh factions of this the female response and the societal response cheering this on and applauding and and um, I'm blown away like I can easily, and I think we all can easily agree that the we talked about it just moments ago. The healthcare system is horrendous. The insurance companies horrendous. I mean, there absolutely needs to be a massive overhaul. Murdering CEOs is not part of that plan, right? Not the solution, not the solution ever.

Speaker 2: 23:34

And this was a human being and, honestly, even if he was a piece of garbage like, even if he's a really crappy human being, much unlike, uh, much like, um, jordan Neely or anyone who has died for any reason, it's never really a reason to express glee. No, you know, and there lies a huge, distinct difference probably from the left and the right overall, no one on the right was applauding and saying, yeah, so glad he killed Jordan Neely. None of that was going on. I'm sure it was going on here and there. People are people. But he killed Jordan Neely. None of that was going on. I'm sure it was going on here and there.

Speaker 2: 24:16

People are people, but generally speaking we don't applaud and and honor, you know, those types of things. We see them for what they are tragic things that could have been avoided and we wish could have been avoided. But we don't wish death on people like that, you know. And here they are. Like you said, and again I'll say, the women are so embarrassing and first of all, from a personal perspective, I think the kid looks like a Carmine from Laverne and Shirley. So not seeing, I'm sorry, I'm not.

Speaker 3: 24:41

Wow, did you just show your age.

Speaker 2: 24:44

Holy cow, I know the younger people are like who, who is she talking about? Yes, so, yeah. So just just a little side note not seeing it, ladies, but you know, whatever, but just the very idea that they are mooning over this guy who is, you know? He's a murderer, guys, he's a murderer. He didn't do you know, and they love the whole vigilante thing. That's what they're you know're you know, phrasing or kind of like painting this as that. Like he, you know, he did something for all of us that's.

Speaker 3: 25:15

That's exactly where the confusion lies the exact same people that are applauding him for vigilante justice against the ceo are the same people who are attacking daniel penny for vigilante justice which he's not guilty of, because he's protecting people. Yeah, it is so disconnected right now.

Speaker 2: 25:32

So disconnected.

Speaker 3: 25:34

Listen I literally, just today, wrote a blog on this is that we don't know when. We, as Americans, are very selective in when violence is acceptable, and it really depends on who is applying the violence and who's on the receiving end of the violence and how we feel about them Like in some cases, and it's all demographics depends on their race, their age, their sexual you know orientation, their wealth, their you know status in society. Pick your thing, but people will clap. It's literally. These are two side-by-sides that are perfect, right? People will clap for one and cry for the other, and it is literally the same argument on both sides. It's insanity right now.

Speaker 3: 26:17

It is and we, as Americans, don't know. We don't, we don't know and we don't understand because our media glorifies it, like the news media glorifies it. The entertainment media makes billions of dollars off of violence, yes, and we continue to to think it's okay. Right, we are so broken as a nation when it comes to violence, like our you know, we talked about it Our gut should always be that's bad. The application of violence is bad. Now, you do take it on a case-by-case basis, sure, through the court system, right, and you decide if it was, you know, applied appropriately in the you know, in whatever way, shape or form, and that's how we fix things. We don't share it before we know what the details are. Right, because here's the kicker Everybody's talking about this insurance guy making millions of dollars and being, you know, billionaire, billion dollar corporate CEO, and they're blaming insurance.

Speaker 3: 27:12

And you know, this is why we need socialized medicine. If you go back and I've seen this if you go back and you look at the profit increase at UnitedHealth, it started to skyrocket when, when Obamacare started, so socialized medicine built this monster that now everybody's mad at. So you know, again, it's people, uneducated, uninformed. They think it's damn the man Che Guevara, you know, rage against the machine, whatever you want to call it, and it's garbage, it's inhuman, is what it is Right.

Speaker 2: 27:43

Yeah, and you hit on a lot of really important parts about that and you know it. Just again, you get that image in your head of lemmings. They're just lemmings, that you know. They give them the little bits of a sound bite essentially to run with and they're like oh okay, now we're all in the. I just picture this whole herd I don't think they're herds, but whatever it is of lemmings just following whatever you know little crumbs that they put out there and tell them to go with, and no thinking for themselves, no research, no, nothing, just you know, blindly following and they and they just keep doing it over and over and over again. And it it makes me so tired, like it makes me so tired and I feel like I say this like once a month on an episode that I am so tired of these people just being so foolish, so unbelievably foolish, and affecting everything and everyone with that, infecting everyone with that. You know.

Speaker 3: 28:40

Yeah, and the biggest travesty is if that kid doesn't go to jail for this right, like he he should 100% premeditated, no, knowledgeable, you know. There's a high probability that he's going to be declared incompetent, stand trial, mental deficiency, and he's probably not going to see big boy jail, although he should. And I will tell you, as pretty as all these women think he is, if he does go to big boy jail his life's going to be awful.

Speaker 2: 29:06

Oh gosh, yeah, Awful, absolutely, I don't know. He's got the love of parents. I'm not advocating for Right. That's not what it's supposed to be.

Speaker 3: 29:13

I'm just telling you that reality inside that concrete jungle, like, yeah, it's, he's, he's in bad shape, right, but you know this whole thing, this kid, you know. Nobody should be making excuses for him. No, and a well-heeled family. He's got an Ivy league education, right, bad experience with with an insurance company and a and a you know, a failed back surgery of some sort and involved. I don't care, it's not an excuse to kill somebody, it's not. I don't care what anybody says, never will.

Speaker 2: 29:42

No, never will. And you know, as an example, I wanted to pull this one up. I forgot to pull it up sooner. But as an example of just how grotesque these people are, here's a clip from Pierce Morgan, who had a panel on. It was Tommy. Lahren and a few other people, and this Taylor Lawrence is her name.

Speaker 4: 30:02

Gross, just a gross, repugnant human being, and here's why I do believe in the sanctity of life and I think that's why I felt, along with so many other Americans, joy, unfortunately, you know, because it feels like Joy, serious I mean.

Speaker 5: 30:17

Joy in a man's execution.

Speaker 4: 30:19

Maybe not joy, but certainly not, no, certainly not empathy, because again, we're watching the footage.

Speaker 5: 30:24

How can this make you joyful, this guy's?

Speaker 3: 30:27

a husband.

Speaker 5: 30:27

He's a father and he's being gunned down in the middle of Manhattan. Why is that making you joyful?

Speaker 4: 30:32

So are the tens of thousands of Americans that beat murdered. So are the tens of thousands of Americans, innocent Americans, who died because greedy health insurance executives like this one push policies of denying care to the most vulnerable people.

Speaker 2: 30:48

So there's the answer Just kill him. Kill this guy, because he just represents all of them. That makes sense.

Speaker 3: 30:55

Yeah. And so when and where does that stop? You know, because Taylor Lorenz, right? Yeah? So let's extrapolate this a little bit, right? So you've got Taylor Lorenz who's cheering this on. She's supporting the murder of this guy. What if that guy has a family member? What if one of his kids grows up and finds Taylor Lorenz and guns her down and says well, you advocated for violence against my dad and like my dad, and that's why my dad was killed. And now retribution against you. Yeah, are we supposed to be joyful about, like this, her advocating for violence like this in some sort of retribution for a policy that she believes is responsible for the deaths? And I know there are going to be people out there who are going to get worked up about this and they're going to say, yes, it is, and I don't care, it doesn't justify murder, I don't care, you're never going to convince me that that is the solution for that.

Speaker 2: 31:53

No same. And again, I'll repeat we all, I think we all agree that the insurance industry needs reform. I'll put it politely and just say needs reform, and I hope, and I truly hope, that that is going to be something that happens under President-elect Trump. I guess we'll wait and see, but yeah, that is definitely one of the things that needs. But again, to restate, for like the millionth time, I feel like we have to keep saying it does not justify murdering somebody, just doesn't, it doesn't. And that they are continuously doing that all over social media. I've seen, you know, meme after meme, post after post, video after video of people. You know, just again you made the perfect reference, like the Che Guevara T-shirts. You know that's, if they're not being made yet, they will be, they will be. Somebody will be doing it, you know, and people will buy them, people will wear them.

Speaker 3: 32:48

Yeah, I mean, there's people. I've seen this, whether it's joking or not, or even if the data is accurate or not, and it's like you know, just in case anybody's wondering, the CEO of Pfizer lives at this address, right? They're like they're swatting. It's crazy, um, and they're literally putting people, putting people at risk. Um, you know, and it's again, this is not okay, people. It's not okay, because when society collapses, right from stuff like this, you get what's going on in the Middle East, you get Syria.

Speaker 3: 33:21

This is what happens, right? Right, you know you have a collapse of, you know, normalcy, you have a collapse of societal norms, um with any sort of respect for other people, and this is what you get.

Speaker 2: 33:34

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 33:35

Right, syria, for you know everybody who is or isn't tracking. You know, assad left. He bailed, he bailed, he got on a plane and he went to Russia. Right, he went to Moscow because he was protected there. Syria has fallen into the hands of rebels. It's protected there. Syria has fallen into the hands of rebels.

Speaker 3: 33:50

You know, I was standing in a bar this Sunday participating in a chili cook-off contest where I placed third, by the way, nice and you know, I had a guy who was like, oh yeah, this is, you know, syria, that's great. Assad needs to be gone. And you know, all these rebel groups, they're going to pull together and they're going to work together and they're going to rebuild Syria. And I looked them dead in the face. No, they're not Right. You know what a power vacuum is. Do you know what kind of instability that creates? Like all of these groups? This happened in Afghanistan, it happened in Iraq, it happens everywhere, especially in that part of the world when that global level leader, when that national level leader leaves, is deposed, dies. Whatever. It creates a vacuum. Someone is going to try to fill that vacuum and, in fact, multiple people are going to try and fill that vacuum, and that's when the fighting gets worse. Yep Right.

Speaker 2: 34:42

Yeah, it was weird to me and again, I'm always the first one to confess I know so little of the inner workings of all of that, so I never pretend that I do. But just, that was almost a little bit of common sense to me and I actually did not understand the initial cheers to this happening, because that was my thought, like well, at least he's the enemy, you know, you know, like what's what's going to come up the pike next. That's a little bit more scary to me because, like you said, it's already so volatile. This whole area is such chaos and it's always on the edge of something, so you don't know what you're going to getdam.

Speaker 3: 35:24

Hussein, he is Muammar Gaddafi. He is. He's the same dictatorial type leader that that region has seen dozens of times, over and over again. Right, he, he did, in an awful way, provide stability within Syria. Ok, because here's the problem right now.

Speaker 3: 35:45

One, there's about a somewhere between 750 and a thousand Americans in Syria. Okay, because here's the problem right now. One, there's about a somewhere between 750 and a thousand Americans in Syria. Right, right, service members. These aren't tourists, these aren't, like you know, these are service members who have been over there prosecuting targets against ISIS. Right, and so now they're sitting in the middle of this.

Speaker 3: 36:07

But oh, by the way, do you know what Syria has that we have now lost all accountability and control of Chemical weapons, like when he bailed and the government fell and all these rebel groups took over. We lost all of that, and I can promise you this is the same thing that happened in Libya. Right, there is a scramble right now to try and find account for, secure, make sure we have all of, or have hands on or know where they are every single chemical munition that we lost track of in Syria, because they had them, and that stability that Assad and again, I'm not saying the guy was awesome, because he clearly was not, but we didn't have this as a problem. This is a new problem that becomes significant very, very quickly.

Speaker 2: 36:55

And we have the present administration, the outgoing administration, saying and doing one thing, and we have the incoming administration saying something very different. I'm going to have you speak on all of that. Here is what Tulsi Gabbard had to say about it.

Speaker 7: 37:13

I want to address the issue that's in the headlines right now. I stand in full support and wholeheartedly agree with the statements that President Trump has made over these last few days with regards to the developments in Syria. My own views and experiences have been shaped by my multiple deployments and seeing firsthand the cost of war and the threat of Islamist terrorism. It's one of the many reasons why I appreciate President Trump's leadership and his election, where he is fully committed, as he has said over and over, to bringing about an end to wars, demonstrating peace through strength and putting the national security interests and the safety, security and freedom of the American people first and foremost.

Speaker 2: 37:54

So Islamic terrorists who are on a terror list are essentially now in power? Correct? That is correct. And what's Biden saying about that?

Speaker 3: 38:06

Not a lot.

Speaker 2: 38:08

Mumble, mumble, mumble.

Speaker 3: 38:10

Essentially nothing, yeah, and so you know, there's a lot of variables in this One. We don't care much about Assad. Truthfully, there's a lot of people who are, you know, oh, why did he go to Russia? Is he right? Who cares? Like, the guy's gone. If he's in Russia, they're going to put him up in a nice big mansion. He's going to eat well, because he's probably got millions of dollars that he stole from Syria and, okay, fine, so be it. They're not. Nobody's putting him back into power in Syria. That guy's out of play and it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3: 38:40

And, truthfully, russia's role in this matters even less, because they don't have any sway, or very little. But what we've been doing is we've been minimizing the threat. There has been a number of you know sorties, air sorties, destroying all kinds of equipment over there that has fallen into the hands of rebels, which again are Islamic terrorist organizations of various kinds, and that's what we've been focusing on because, you've got to, you know, the infighting is going to destroy Syria completely. Oh, by the way, those types of groups, when they do come into power, they, any grudges they have, they they're, they're cleaning the books, right. So when you don't, when you, when the power broker, assad is out and you get somebody else that steps in and they have control of all of the big toys, then they're going to find their first rival, they're going to wipe them off the map.

Speaker 3: 39:35

So I mean, you're talking the potential. The instability here has the potential for, you know, genocide level killings across Syria, because that's how they settle these things in that part of the world. And again, our current administration is doing almost nothing. I'm actually really, really worried about those 752,000 Americans who, I'm sure, have been on absolute high alert since all of this happened, probably aren't sleeping very well and we are probably trying to figure out what is the best course of action to get them out of there in the midst of all of this instability.

Speaker 2: 40:09

So now I read you. Correct me if this is accurate or not, or if you know if it's accurate, I read somewhere that Biden is looking to take these, these groups off the terror list. So you know what the hell?

Speaker 3: 40:25

That really does nothing. Truthfully, okay, you know it. Take them, leave them on the list, take them off. It doesn't change who they are, it doesn't change what their goals are, what their mindset is. You know, I think it does change some legalities and how they can be. You know how we can manage them.

Speaker 3: 40:44

Are they criminal? Are they not? You know? But I think part of that too is one of those groups. If he takes them all off the terror list, right, and one of them gains power and they become the legitimate government, legitimate government of Syria, now you're worried about a like, no kidding attacking Syria as a nation versus a terrorist group, it changes the dynamic a little bit. It gives them a little bit, a little bit of different bargaining power, you know, when it comes to NATO and the UN and things like that. So you know, I don't know what the best course of action is. All I know is it doesn't lessen the threat of instability or the instability that's going on, and it really doesn't change who those people are, whether they're on the list or not.

Speaker 2: 41:26

So Is it safe to say that the Biden administration is going to try and get us involved in this on a larger scale?

Speaker 3: 41:35

They already have. They already have. That's what all those, all that air power that's been going on over there, that they've been killing vehicles. You know they've been using, you know, gen fighters and and oh, by the way, an aircraft that all of us love so much, that has already been told it's going to retire the a10 has been flying around and blowing the crap out of stuff. Um is, uh, you know they're, we're in there killing stuff like we've been expending pretty regularly over there. So we, we are involved. Now I hope it doesn't expand. Hope's not a great course of action, but is that a possibility, potential for us to expand our role in Syria? Sure, it is Scary, but that is right up the alley of the current administration, right, and it's basically, it's ultimately all selfish means really to give.

Speaker 2: 42:23

Yeah, and also to give Trump, you know, an absolute, as much of a mess as they can possibly give him and just drop it all in his lap and you know, walk away.

Speaker 3: 42:34

He'll do what he does. Yeah, you know, this is one of those cases where he doesn't want to be involved. We've all figured this out right. He spent the first four years as president getting us out of all as many conflicts as possible. He's going to do the same thing there. He will be the hammer if that's what needs to happen. If it needs to happen that he comes in and he turns a place into a parking lot, then that's what he'll do. That's not what he wants to do, but that's, you know, a solution that's always on the table. So, yes, they're dumping this in his lap to figure out.

Speaker 3: 43:01

The politics, geopolitics of it are bad. The relation with the terror organizations is bad. And oh, by the way, not to make this even worse, but terrorism is back on the rise again. With our exfil from out of Afghanistan, that safe haven, that harbor, is reinvigorated. Bin Laden's son is one of the people that's organizing this resurgence of the caliphate and they're trying to, you know, pull all these terrorist groups back together again. And, you know, fight the fight against the West. Great job.

Speaker 2: 43:29

Surprise, surprise, yeah, and.

Speaker 3: 43:31

Syria plays into, Syria plays into all of it.

Speaker 2: 43:33

So yeah, absolutely yeah, as much as they can dump on Trump when they, when he comes in and honestly they're all the world is already treating Trump like he is the president. You know, paris was a absolute prime example the reopening, or rededication reopening of the Notre Dame Cathedral after the fire, yeah, so they all show up there, all the world's leaders and, of course, dr Jill, all show up for this, and all eyes, of course Dr Jill, all show up for this and all eyes, of course, are on Trump, and you termed it perfectly. It was just sitting back and watching how many of them were kissing the ring and all of them, all of them, yes, yes, quite a bit of deference. There seemed to be, you know, at least outwardly, tremendous shows of respect and regard for him and I will probably venture a guess and say relief that you know some real leadership is going to be coming in and the world is taking notice. You know, it was pretty impressive.

Speaker 3: 44:41

Yeah, the last four years as much turmoil is the last. You know, this current the Biden administration caused within the United States. You know, people don't know or feel the ripples outside there's a lot of global instability because the U? S was kind of a drift, you know, with president Biden in charge and really not doing anything and really not talking to anybody. And oh, by the way, when he did talk to people it didn't make any sense, they didn't really know what he was trying to do and the policies were terrible when they had policies. So now you know there's a lot of national, global leaders who, whether they like President Trump or not, are just happy that there is somebody who is going to be, you know, in command or leading the United States, the global power. You know, kind of back to some level of normalcy, as opposed to just like not knowing, like what are we doing? What's the US doing? And listen, macron is not a Trump fan. No, no, he was kissing his ass.

Speaker 2: 45:43

Yes, yes, how great. We'll put it up to the, the video, the handshake. He just shook that little man like a rag doll.

Speaker 3: 45:54

So they've had and I I kind of knew this, but I'd forgotten about it because of the last four years they had like a friendly, not friendly kind of thing going where it would be like who could be stronger? It was the man handshake like you know, crush the other guy's hand, kind of thing, and that's been going on for a while.

Speaker 3: 46:12

And that was this was the reinitiation, like hey, I haven't forgotten, I'm the big dog and you know that kind of thing. So yes, you know, mccrone, that that little friendly rivalry thing was was back on again. It was actually nice to see. Uh and again. Macron's not a fan but he respects president trump and his role, not just in the united states but globally. So it was him. And then dr jill. Dr jill looked like she was a little dr jill.

Speaker 2: 46:40

A lot of fun little memes going on around about that there's that.

Speaker 3: 46:43

There's another one from a different angle, where you're kind of looking over President Trump's shoulder and you're looking right at Dr Jill and somebody caught her at the right time and she's got a smile on her face. Yes, the line I keep seeing over and over again is yep, she voted for Trump.

Speaker 2: 46:55

Yes, yeah, I saw another cute one too.

Speaker 3: 47:05

Somebody said get a woman in your life that looks at you the way Jill looks at Trump. And then English royalty was there Same thing. Yes, yes.

Speaker 2: 47:09

Very warm reception between him and Prince William. Thank you, yeah.

Speaker 3: 47:14

Yeah, and so, yes, everybody is paying deference, but it's because of the difference in the man. The man standing there filling the role is the capability is completely different. So, whether they love him or hate him, everybody knows that now there is at least some stability returning the United States, and that is good for the world.

Speaker 2: 47:37

Absolutely, it sure is. Yeah, I, you know, watching some of and not some, actually all of the videos, the thing that I noticed the most is that every eye is on Trump. Everybody is watching him and looking at him, and you know, we're talking about world leaders, people who are a big deal in their own right, and everybody's heads turn and they're watching everything that he does, and you know. Then you have Biden. You know, remember the whole thing with him just wandering. Well, I mean, it happens many times, but that the wandering off and treating him like a doddering old man, you know.

Speaker 3: 48:12

This week he was in Africa. Yeah, he was dead asleep and everybody's like, oh no, he had an earphone in and he was listening to the translation. Listen, I've done that. That's not what that was, and I've fallen asleep in those meetings because they're painfully boring. That man was out. He was out like a light, but it's a big difference for everybody across the globe. Everybody knows what they're getting, but they also know that this is not the Trump of four years ago.

Speaker 2: 48:43

Very different.

Speaker 3: 48:44

Very different.

Speaker 2: 48:45

Very, very different Trump yeah.

Speaker 3: 48:47

He knows his job better. He has a lot of. His perspective is different, and so everybody think everybody's there on notice and they're paying the respects they should. I do want to say one more thing about that. Notre Dame and I didn't know this, but Selma Hayek and her husband, who is some internationally like the guys- yeah, he's like a mega billionaire, yeah.

Speaker 3: 49:08

They donated an absurd amount of money to the, really like $13 million. Wow, yeah, like. And they were there. They were there at the dedication. They were standing in the back and I may be wrong. I actually may be underselling how much money they gave to this thing yeah, wow.

Speaker 3: 49:25

But yeah, she, obviously, or not obviously, but she's a Catholic, her husband's Catholic, yeah, and you know, I think he may even be French, but they donated a ridiculous amount of money to make sure that Notre Dame got rebuilt to. You know the magnificence that it holds for a significant portion of the globe, you know.

Speaker 2: 49:47

So yeah, that's fantastic. I think she's also a side note. Another side note I think she's actually one of the people who left the country, moved out of the country supposedly because I'm. I don't know if she really did, you know, they could have just attributed that and she may have long been out of the country, for all I know.

Speaker 3: 50:02

But she's married to a non-American.

Speaker 2: 50:04

So you know all those people say they're moving out?

Speaker 3: 50:07

They're not. They're not moving out, they're just moving. They're living in their other house.

Speaker 2: 50:10

Yeah, exactly, they're just staying in their other home for the time.

Speaker 3: 50:14

If you're going to be a multi-billionaire, you're like, and you can pick and choose what you're going to contribute to, stuff like that I appreciate.

Speaker 2: 50:21

Yeah, that's pretty awesome actually. Well, I had no idea. Now we know. I bet a lot of people didn't know that. Thanks, clay. Let's talk about something a little weird. What the actual heck? What in the heck and heck is going on? This is crazy.

Speaker 2: 50:36

I was actually ignoring it at first, because I thought, you know, I just thought it was like not, not conspiracy theories, but just exaggerating something that isn't a big deal. You know, cause now everybody's seeing UFOs everywhere. What's the new term we're supposed to use? I forget, yeah, I don't know. They call them something else, there's other, I don't know. Somebody in the comments can tell us what, what the proper new term is for UFOs, cause they don't use it anymore, I guess.

Speaker 2: 51:02

But, anyhow, yeah, is for UFOs, because they don't use it anymore, I guess. But anyhow, yeah, super crazy. So when I first was hearing about this, it's been what for like a couple of weeks maybe. Oh yeah, yeah. And I saw some videos on the talk about it and you know, again, they're always like these grainy, like here's a picture, always these like kind of grainy, you know shaky videos and stuff. So I just kind of to be honest with it, kind of like rolled my eyes and said, oh, whatever, drones, big deal, get over it. And they've been using the word drones the whole time. Actually they hadn't even been saying UFOs, I don't think, but anyhow, yeah. So I saw those kind of ignored it and said whatever.

Speaker 2: 51:35

And then I revisited this whole thing the other day and I was like, okay, this is actually. It's like making actual national news. They're actually talking about it, you know. So if they're talking about it, that's interesting. But they're like the size of cars, apparently, and nobody knows. They're like mysterious. Nobody knows who's operating them or owning them or whatever. And so what do you know about this?

Speaker 3: 52:00

Because I'm I don't know a lot truthfully, I know that drone technology is growing in leaps and bounds. I know that it's being applied in Ukraine in weird and crazy ways on a daily basis, everything from delivering resupply to bombing tanks, to kamikaze, to blowing up people like drones everything from the cheapest, smallest one, as big as your hand, to the ones you're talking about, the large scale ones. Um, you know that the application of drones right now is limited by nothing. Truthfully, between 3d printing and people's imaginations, they're coming up with all kinds of uses for drones. Now this specific case in new jersey. Nobody knows why, and really what bothers me the most is are either the state government of New Jersey and the federal government are both like I don't know yeah, what the heck is that they're still not doing anything about it, and I know that there's been violation of FAA regulations with these drones.

Speaker 2: 52:57

Well, that's what I was going to ask you about, too Like there's rules.

Speaker 3: 53:01

There's regulations for altitude, for, you know, airspace management, so that they don't crash in other planes or helicopters or anything like that. It's all regulated, yeah, and it's dependent upon altitude, the size of the drone. There's some licensing that's got to happen, and it very much seems like no one is pursuing this, which may. That alone makes it suspicious, right, and again, it's conspiracy theory, for whatever you want, but it's been repetitive for a long time.

Speaker 2: 53:28

And now there's. It's now it's sightings. At first it was just like New Jersey reporting all of these sightings and now it's across the country, california Even I just watched a video on it. California is reporting these sightings and everything. It's definitely weird, definitely concerning, and we're going to have to keep watching this because that's not normal.

Speaker 3: 53:49

Along with the drone technology is also counter drone technology. So there's a lot of. I know even the, you know the U S military is paying attention. The counter drone technology that's out there being developed right now is, you know, it sounds like stuff from the 1960s Batman, like it's literally, you know, like guns that shoot big nets. It's like it's all of that kind of stuff. There's sound waves that are being used where they're, you know, using sound waves to disrupt them. They're trying to jam, you know, reception. As far as controls, there's all kinds of things going on. None of it seems to be applied in any way, shape or form in New Jersey to figure out what's going on. I don't understand how nobody's captured one of these things yet Knocked it out of the sky Right. See who owns it.

Speaker 2: 54:37

Well, I'll tell you what if they did that in Florida? Yeah, when it happens in Florida, it's getting shot down. Florida, man's gonna get it.

Speaker 3: 54:46

Listen, parts of new jersey, parts of new jersey are as urban as urban can get right. Yeah, parts of new jersey are pretty freaking rural. So like I'm surprised that we haven't had that reaction yet. Or you know, dude from from jersey, right from outside, you know out in the farmlands, hasn't shot one of those things down yet. Yeah, yeah, and it's probably coming. But I just that lack of action by the state and federal government on this is really what's most appalling, I think overall.

Speaker 2: 55:12

Yes, and downright suspicious, really Like so to me. That says they're involved, this is from them, they're trying out stuff. So you know, I don't know't know everybody. I want you to throw your thoughts in the comments, give us your best conspiracy theory on this, because we know they're usually right.

Speaker 3: 55:30

Yeah, but seriously, we want to hear what you guys think of that in the comments, because I'm I honestly that's where my mind goes, especially if you're from new jersey, like yeah, guys, come on this and this is over your house. Or yeah, tell us's going on, let's get some firsthand accounts, if we've got some out there.

Speaker 2: 55:45

Absolutely and and right and Jersey, um, and every state, and other countries too, cause we get visitors from all around when we do our lives. Uh, next week we're going live, yay. So same time, same everything. We're going to go live. Uh, it's going to be a really casual uh show. We're going to go live. It's going to be a really casual show. We're going to be just talking about fun stuff and things, answering questions. You can ask us questions. We'll put them up on the screen and answer them as best we can. Whatever's going on news-wise, we'll chat about all that stuff. So it's going to be an ultra-casual show. But we really wanted to spend the pre-holiday with you and just have a nice show together. Spend the pre-holiday with you and uh and just have a nice show together and it's going to be so fun.

Speaker 3: 56:26

I'm so excited and, and listen folks, this is probably the last show for 2024 because you know, like christmas and then new year's, and you know, elsa and I are normal people and we have families and like activities, and the holidays gets busy for us too. So so live next week, normal time, thursday evening, right so East Coast, 9 pm, and you guys can do the math backwards 8, 7, 6. And we will be live, just like we did on election night, and and then we will that one and we'll probably see in 2025 after.

Speaker 2: 56:56

Yes, that's right. You're absolutely right. That's the plan, yes, so we're looking forward to it. I'll put the reminders out for you guys to come and join us. I think we uh, I think our high point on on, um, uh, election night, I think we were close to like 400 people at one point. So, um, we're relying on you guys to beat that number. Can we do it? I think we can.

Speaker 3: 57:18

I would hope so. We're not competing against an election, like. This is a Thursday night, talking about Christmas, so that's next week, you know, this week again lots going on, happy to have you guys with us. Oh, by the way, we filmed it Wednesday. Wednesday 3 pm. East Coast time for our time reference stamp.

Speaker 2: 57:37

Yeah, so if anything happened between recording time and then, don't yell at us, don't yell at us, please.

Speaker 3: 57:44

You know it's happened guys, right, we always love having you and, uh, you know, this week obviously last recorded and then next week live, and can't wait to do that. So, uh, what do you think? You good, you happy you're good, we're good.

Speaker 2: 57:54

That's all I got for today. How about you?

Speaker 3: 57:57

I'm good too, as always for me. Folks, thanks for tuning in and keep moving, keep shooting take care, guys, we'll see you next.

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