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Reforming Government Trust and Transparency

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Hunter Biden's explosive pardon has sent shockwaves through the political landscape. With President Biden granting his son a wide-ranging pardon covering nearly 11 years of potential criminal activity, we're left questioning the legal ramifications and the Fifth Amendment implications. Is this the start of a new era of presidential pardons, and what might this mean for future administrations? Join us as we dissect the public's perception and media reactions, drawing comparisons to past concerns about preemptive pardons within the Trump family.

We also explore the broader issues of government accountability and reform. Imagine a political landscape where transparency reigns supreme, with figures like Kash Patel leading the charge to dismantle entrenched systems. How might these changes impact our understanding of events such as January 6th, and what can be done to rebuild trust in governmental systems? The potential for future legal reassessments to affect existing pardons is considered, alongside the unprecedented possibility of a sitting president pardoning themselves.

Shifting gears, we turn our attention to the political ambitions brewing among state governors like J.B. Pritzker and Gavin Newsom. As they eye potential 2028 presidential campaigns, how might their histories and current maneuvers play out on the national stage? The episode wraps up with festive cheer, as we share our excitement for the upcoming Christmas season and announce a live interactive session with our audience. With humor and sincerity, we express gratitude for our listeners and look forward to more engaging discussions.

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Speaker 1:

It's the Elsa Kurt Show with Clay Novak. Conservative views on world news Brought to you by the Wellness Company. Prepare for the unexpected and Refuge Medical. And now it's time for the show.

Speaker 2:

Hey what's happening. Clay how you doing.

Speaker 3:

I'm good you did it again with the banner.

Speaker 2:

Oh, come on, man Drives me nuts. I'm going to gonna stop doing it. I'm really going again for everybody out there.

Speaker 3:

Proof positive it's me and elsa, like that's it, there's no production staff. There's nothing, it's nothing.

Speaker 2:

Listen, I'm even doing like technical adjustments as as we're on like I don't care. I don't care, you get the amateur hour here. That that's what's going on. Listen, it's so amateur hour over here, not over there, just right here that as our intro is playing, I still didn't take the banner off. What the heck man Gosh I've got no excuses, I could make a hundred of them Clay.

Speaker 3:

It's all good. That's why people love you. It's a genuine thing. This is what we do here and, to answer your question, I'm good. Thanksgiving is over, we are moving on to Christmas, but you know, the political train doesn't stop and we've got some big, big stuff. Obviously, we're going to talk Hunter, we're going to talk Kash Patel and some other things right after this yes, indeed it's, it's literally.

Speaker 2:

It's such amateur hour on this side of the table I'm like spilling water on myself. I sent a text to my husband, so I was out of the house and I came home with about 12 minutes to spare to get downstairs into my studio and do the show and do the things and slap on a little more lipstick, all that stuff, stuff. Clay knows, you know no, nothing about, uh, the dramas we have to go through to get ready for things, and I, I didn't let the dogs out. So there's a chance that you know we could hear the dogs barking. But I texted my husband and I said can you put the dogs out? And I fired it off so quickly that I didn't read it and I just glanced as the music is playing, our intro and I see that I had, you know, auto corrected to food.

Speaker 2:

So it's a can you put the food out? To which, of course, he responded what food? What are you talking about? Welcome to my life Y'all anyhow. Anyhow, much bigger, more important things, and you already know what it is. What we're talking about, guys, this guy Kidding me, clay, nobody's surprised, right? I mean right off the bat, no matter how many times we heard this.

Speaker 4:

Come on, I'm sorry, son Hunter.

Speaker 5:

I want to make sure that that is not going to change over the next six months, the president's saying it's still a no, it's still a no, it's still a no, it's still a no, it will be a no, it is a no and I don't have anything else to add. Will he pardon his son?

Speaker 2:

No, Hmm, say what now?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and it's, it's everywhere, it's. He said it, she said it, it's been said on multiple. All of the networks, right, all the state run media, you know CNN, msnbc, they all. They've been saying it for a year.

Speaker 2:

Yep, not going to happen, not going to happen, not going to happen.

Speaker 3:

And none of us believed that.

Speaker 2:

No, no, not at all. I think the part that I guess, if we want to call anything shocking I don't think shocking is the word, Disgusting is probably the word Like we knew he would pardon him. I never really even thought about the scope of that pardon and it's a big, giant, blanket pardon that goes from. What was it like?

Speaker 3:

2016 until December 1st. It's 2014 to December 1st of 2024. So it's 10 plus almost 11 years. And so, of course, that begs the question why? Why back that far? Why 2014? And it's all there. So it's when you know his uh, hunter's employment with Burisma started it's dealings with China president. He was then vice president Biden, you know, and, and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So 2014 is not an accident, you know, and I know. I know what the statement says. For those of you that haven't read it you know the statement says that you know Hunter, you know this essentially wouldn't have happened if his last name wasn't Biden. There's a miscarriage of justice. The Justice Department, which is the Biden Justice Department, stepped over the line and persecuted him and attacked him and blah, blah, blah. So crimes that he has committed and been found guilty of he is now pardoned for and any other crimes within that 10-year period.

Speaker 2:

Insane. So, crimes that we know about and crimes that we don't know about Correct Anything. Anything he may or may not have done. That is correct. I don't understand how that's even possible that he was able to do this.

Speaker 3:

So four years ago if you go back, and all of the cast of characters Rachel Maddow, you know, I think Morning Joe and all the rest of them were just freaking out because there was an anticipation, a guess, that President Trump was going to preemptively pardon ivanka, the two boys and giuliani plus jared kushner, um, preemptively pardon them of any crimes, uh, committed. I and they never really put a bookend on it, but the assumption was during his administration. So everybody freaked out. Now, do it? Did they do it? No, were any of them investigated or prosecuted beyond associated with his investigations, with the exception of Giuliani, who's still in a legal battle.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

No, none of the kids, nor Jared, were investigated. There were no crimes to be investigated, but they freaked out, assuming he was going to do that. And here we sit, four years later with President Biden doing exactly what they were lambasting Trump for which he hadn't done. They just assumed he was going to do. And now what are they saying? Well, it's okay.

Speaker 2:

Yeah Well, it's okay, it's different, it's different. It's not the same thing, it's different.

Speaker 3:

There has been, from both sides, a lot of scrutiny on this. But those people specifically there has been, from both sides, a lot of scrutiny on this. But those people specifically Maddow and them that were all over President Trump speculating yeah, I haven't said a word.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, well, there's, you know. And then we have this beautiful montage of the name of the creator is in the corner and I can't remember it was like Shadow Phantom, I think it is. But put together this beautiful montage of you know the hypocrisy here it is, no one is above the law.

Speaker 4:

Nobody is above the law.

Speaker 3:

No one is above the law. No one is above the law. Nobody is above the law.

Speaker 2:

No one is above the law. No one is above the law, no one is above the law.

Speaker 5:

No one is above the law. No one is above the law.

Speaker 3:

No one is above the law, no one is above the law no one is above the law.

Speaker 2:

I mean, nobody is above the law unless your name is Hunter Biden, right? Yeah, it's crazy. And there was even I saw this. I saw this other thing, it was this morning a judge, I think a judge was criticizing the date. You know that he put, whatever the date, well, december 1st, I guess. So it was. I guess there was like some ambiguity in putting that date. That essentially what it meant was like he can, he can, he can commit any crime all the way up and through the state. So if he committed a crime on december 1st, you know, at uh, 11 59 pm, it's okay, he gets a pass on it. So like it covered, like in a way, future crimes to a degree for or short period of time, but yeah so I but you know, I'm sure Hunter didn't take advantage of any of that whatsoever.

Speaker 2:

He's such an upstanding fellow now.

Speaker 3:

Yeah it. So the tenure window obviously is, is an issue, but the you know the things he got absolved, pardoned for. And so I've had a couple of people come at me on social media and say, well, you know President Trump, you know pardon so and so let's, let's make sure we understand terms. Right, commuting a sentence is one thing. Ok, if President Biden had commuted Hunter's sentence before it was even issued to him, he would still remain guilty of those felonies. He would just serve no jail time. Right, which presidents commute sentences? They pardon people. It happens at the end of every administration all the time. Right, right, let's? Let's be clear, when we talk about this, of what was done. He was absolved, pardoned for anything and everything in that 10 year window he was absolved pardoned for anything and everything in that 10 year window.

Speaker 3:

That has one. A couple of federal judges out there are are pretty upset about this because, one, it sets a bad precedent. Um. Two, it it offers no recourse for any potential violent crimes or anything else that's found out. But also, this is rewriting history. Those are the terms that are being used, rewriting history. A federal judge said that today or yesterday. By the way, for our audience, it's Wednesday, it's.

Speaker 2:

Wednesday guys Wednesday.

Speaker 3:

A little after 4 pm Eastern time, but there's some interesting things that have come out of this. Legal minds I am not one um have come up with some, some very interesting pieces in this. So with 10 years of pardon, right, hunter can no longer be prosecuted. So therefore his ability to plead the fifth amendment in a trial against anyone else is potentially gone. Fifth Amendment right Protect yourself against self-incrimination. He can't be prosecuted. So if he did something illegal in those 10 years, he can't protect himself from being prosecuted because he can't be prosecuted. So therefore he cannot claim the Fifth Amendment. That's what's being interpreted right now, how this plays out. Now what does that mean to the Biden crime family? And it means a lot. The first thing we can all expect is more pardons. Joe's brother is going to get a pass, dr Jill is probably going to get a pass.

Speaker 2:

Of course he's just going to write them all a big blanket pass. He's going to get a pass, right.

Speaker 3:

But this is going to come to the point of can he write himself a pardon Because he's involved with this? The expectation of letting Hunter off the hook for those 10 years is that it absolves Biden as well, but it doesn't. So you know, the legal minds out there are now again asking the question of can a president pardon himself, when four years ago it was a question of is Trump going to do it? And even four months ago there were people asking the very same question about president Trump at the end of this presidency. Now I think we're going to get the question answered with president Biden because he is going to, I would say, be forced, but there has definitely got to be some consideration about who else now gets a pardon, because Hunter's Fifth Amendment rights are now null and void, because they don't matter.

Speaker 2:

Right, oh boy. So this feels like it's kind of a dumb question, but I'm going to ask it anyway. Is there any circumstance where a future president can undo like once, once, no, like that's done, like, even if they found, you know, discovered that, or determined, not discovered, they determined that these types of pardons are just like illegal. You can't do it. What's done is done and it'll apply only to future. Like there's gotta be. I mean, this has to be reassessed.

Speaker 3:

Now there's no question that there has to be a reassessment. Yeah, I think what, what? What you're asking is a valid question. In other words, like if it went to the Supreme court and the Supreme court made a legal determination that these types of pardons illegal, then would that go back and reverse this pardon on Hunter? And the answer is I have no idea.

Speaker 2:

I have no idea. I mean part of me like instinctively says no, it probably will apply to all future. So I, oh my God, the rage, the quiet rage that we should all be feeling about this, and I'll tell you, and I don't know. So here's what we know concretely. So he issued a full and unconditional pardon. It covers any federal offenses that he committed or might have committed. I guess I should say from the dates that we said let's see. So we're talking about gun-related charges, tax evasion and there's a few other. There was something else too, I thought, and I can't find what it is, but those are the two ones that have been talked about the most. What's not really talked about much at all is all of the other things that were on his laptop, and it is vile, like that's probably the kindest, most gentle word that I could come up with to describe the images.

Speaker 2:

So we somebody on X, and I'm sure it's more than one person, but I just happened to see this one particular video post of somebody who had actual access to this. I mean, it's basically a book, it's like that. It's like probably about this thick and and he is flipping through this, you know, series of documents, documentation and it's with images and text and all of those things and the images. Now we've seen some of the images. Obviously Clay and I decided that we are not going to. We discussed it at length before we started on whether or not we were going to show this particular video. Are not going to.

Speaker 2:

We discussed it at length before we started on whether or not we were going to show this particular video and we agreed pretty solidly that it was just not. It's just not appropriate, it's unnecessary. If you want to see it, it's out there. Just go on X, you'll be able to find it, no problem. But what I'll tell you is it's disturbing, it's disgusting. There's so much questionable things happening on there that and it's not even just the explicit content, it's the, also the um, uh, the dealings with ukraine and all of this other stuff like it's all in there and there's going to be no justice, nothing, nothing, nothing. This scum of the earth really I mean, he's truly a repugnant excuse, for a human being is going to walk free and it's just horrifying to me.

Speaker 3:

Let me make sure I understand this is the laptop. That was not right. That was the Russian disinformation right.

Speaker 2:

Yes, the hoax.

Speaker 3:

You know, the thing that didn't exist, the one that had nothing to do with the last election cycle. That one.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that one, yeah that one so yeah, so the gun charges are related to a lot of things, including his drug use he did also, just for those of you that aren't tracking all this he lied on the application form, which is a federal offense. He was in possession of a gun as a you know as a drug user, right, which is a federal offense. He was in possession of a gun as a you know as a drug user, right, which is a federal offense. He ditched the gun in a school dumpster, right, which is horrific. Anyway, there's the tax evasion thing, but there's also oh, by the way, all of those photographs that were not showing is proof of human trafficking, right? This guy bought sex from hookers, right Prostitutes, which is human trafficking charges.

Speaker 3:

Now, you're right when it is a federal pardon, because that's what the president can give. The question is are there any unfounded state criminal charges out there that can be levied against Hunter? And I can tell you that probably there's a couple of state's attorneys out there who are Hunter, and I can tell you that probably there's a couple of state's attorneys out there who are now digging. I can tell you it's not happening in the state of Delaware, it's not happening in places like Pennsylvania or New York or New Jersey. Those are blue islands for the most part, that he's not going to get prosecuted in. He's not going to get prosecuted in, especially not Delaware, which is where most of this happened. So while there's potential there for state prosecution, because this is a federal pardon, the chances are pretty slim.

Speaker 3:

The other thing is the legality of the document itself. So, the president, I think most of us have seen the statement. If you haven't, it's out there, it's on White house letterhead. It was. You know, what was provided to these federal courts that are prosecuting where the trials are happening or have happened, for Hunter was provided to them was a link, not not a document, not a pardon document with a, you know, validated signature by the president, but a, a, A statement that was put out.

Speaker 3:

It's not a valid pardon. Now, will that be corrected by the White House, you know, attorney general's office, whatever, I'm sure most quickly. But again, it's just the way this whole thing has been done. You know it's sketchy as all get out. Now here's a question for you. I'm interested in your opinion on this. We know President Biden is basically an invalid right. Yes, do you really think this was him cognitive, like conscious decision, or do you think this was a Dr Jill influence? Or do you think that this was like a White House chief of staff or even a what's his brother's name, bill? Yeah, I think it's Bill.

Speaker 2:

I don't know, it's a family influence thing?

Speaker 3:

or do you really think that President Biden had the marbles to think through this on his own?

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So I highly doubt that he has the capacity to understand what's going on in any given moment of the day. He's probably got a couple lucid moments here and there. They trot him out for something when he's, you know, relatively coherent, but overall it's got.

Speaker 2:

It has to be a Biden crime family, the syndications you know doing and all because they're obviously, you know, the most obvious thing is that they're protecting themselves. You know, because Hunter is a loose cannon. He is an absolute mess. He's a guy who, you know, lost track of a laptop with incredibly damning information on it. He is reckless, he's dangerous in every possible way, you know, and I'm sure he's a spiteful, miserable little twerp too. So you know, this is probably him having leverage, saying like I know everything, you know who knows what I might say when I'm all coked up. I don't know, you don't know, we'll see. I mean so many possibilities, I think, and all of them are believable and all of them are absolutely disgusting, like they're just the most disgusting people that have ever. I hope that President Trump and First Lady Melania go in with like caseloads of Lysol and disinfectant to just purge that White House of their existence, Like I want them to just clear it out. Get all of the filth and grime of that family the heck out of there.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, you're going to see a big tent over the white house to have it fumigated.

Speaker 2:

They're going to have to on the way out.

Speaker 2:

Oh, and speaking of that, did you see? Oh, my gosh, as we're talking, I got to pull it up. Let's see if I can find it. I hope I can. Did you see the latest decorations and I use that term very, very lightly Um, I don't know if I have any, I'll just add it in after. That's all the decorations that Dr Jill put up for.

Speaker 2:

Oh, so, another circus theme, surprise, surprise, which I think she did, similar like last year or maybe the year before, or something Very like incredibly gaudy, tacky, gross, so ugly and disgusting. And I I along with so many other people saw those pictures and were like, oh my God, melania cannot get in there fast enough. Like, please bring class back to the white house and bring back. I don't know if you remember, I don't even I believe it or not, I don't even pay that much attention to these things, but I just happen to remember like her Christmas decorations were. It was so elegant, the white lights and the rows of trees, and it was so beautiful.

Speaker 2:

And I think, as a side note, I think there was, like you know, an aid of hers or an assistant like release some video. You know, some spiteful woman released some video of her basically like complaining about having to do the decorations and everything which, by the way, I don't actually blame her for complaining about that Like there's so many important things that she probably you know there's a woman with a pretty high intellect, she speaks a bunch of languages and you know she's getting relegated to, you know, hanging some lights and for photo ops like, please, you can do many more things than that, but whatever, that's a side note. Yeah, oh, so gross, like just everything about these people. I, you know, I know it's really hard to tell how I feel. I really, I really hold it in, hide my feelings, but you know, suffice to say I don't like them and I can't wait till they're gone.

Speaker 3:

So you know. The question is it's just a different approach the legality of this. So if he is not mentally capable which has already been declared, if you remember right he can't stand trial because he's not mentally capable, right, then is this pardon legal. He can't stand trial because he's not mentally capable, right, then is this pardon legal?

Speaker 2:

It shouldn't be. I mean, you know it shouldn't be and I hope, like do you think, do you think the Trump administration will pursue it? I guess that would be the next level. Like will it be worth their while to pursue it?

Speaker 3:

No, I don't think they will. I think there's a lot of people that want them to. You know, I know there's a lot of people that want them to. And it begs another question, which we'll talk about in just a second. But but like I don't think that he is going to try and flip this, I don't think they're going to. I don't think the attorney general's office is going to challenge the legality. I don't think that they are going to try and go after Hunter. I don't. I think that a lot of it is going to be handled in a different way, in the sense of, like you know, all the Ukraine dealings that are on the laptop that obviously Hunter was involved in, and Burisma and all of this other stuff, right, the way that that gets handled is not by going back after Hunter and not by flipping over his immunity or any of the rest of that stuff. The way that's handled is we look at NATO and we say that's a you problem and we back out. Right, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

Handle it that way. The China thing Right, because that's also part of this. That's handled another way, right. Most of like, president Trump doesn't give a crap about Hunter going to jail for gun charges. He doesn't. Right what he wants to make sure in front of America and go. I told you that's the big, more satisfaction out of that than anything else.

Speaker 3:

But so here is that the other question, because this is, a lot of people have brought up the January 6th, right, so I've seen it, and I've seen it in a bunch of places where people are like, oh, including if I want to. If I'm right, even Dan Crenshaw has said some things. Bunch of places where people are like, oh, including if I want to. If I'm right, even Dan Crenshaw has said some things like this, but it's like, oh well, all this does is tell President Trump that it's OK to you know, pardon all the J6 people on day one Should they pursue Hunter. Do you think that President Trump will, or should, pardon flat pardon all the J6 folks as soon as he gets into office?

Speaker 2:

What do you think? Yes, and yes, I mean, I think he should and I think he will, and I truly, I honestly, would be very disappointed if he didn't, wouldn't love him any less. I would trust that there are some reason behind it, but I fully expect that he will, that they will be released and, and you know, the left will have to sit there and suck on it because you got nothing to say. They're going to, they're going to say whatever they're going to say, no matter what. But all you can do is just kind of laugh in their faces and and rile them up even more by reminding them that we are, we are the journalists. Now. You're not. You know, we are the news, not you. We are the ones that are the citizens, are dictating what happens now, not you losers with your agendas and your nonsense and all that stuff.

Speaker 2:

But yeah, I mean absolutely they should be, especially with the thousands of hours of footage. That is not fast enough, but slowly getting leaked out. And you're seeing all this. You know most of us on this side of things have been seeing these videos for you know, this entire time. It's not actually new to us, but now it's getting more exposure. You know when you, when you see Capitol Police officers moving the barricades and letting people through and opening the doors and the you know the people just walking through, taking pictures, strolling through, staying within the ropes. You know all of these things. Yeah, you know it should be. It should be a no brainer that that's what happens, but we'll see.

Speaker 3:

So I'm going to take a little bit of a different tack. I think what he should do is, on day one, charge them or release them one or the other right, just like you would in any other criminal process. Charge them or release them, period, because if they're going to charge them, they've got to present evidence. Right, and if they're going to try them they have to present evidence. So, in a way, right, this could turn into a complete exposure of the FBI, which we all know was involved with this, of Nancy Pelosi, who we know was part of this right, and all of the Democratic leadership. You know hell, you could probably reach far enough where you could drag General Milley into this, which they probably should.

Speaker 3:

So, I think there is an option there where he says, okay, I'm going to step in, you know, charge him or release him. Maybe not necessarily issue a pardon, but turn this into a you know, house arrest, or released on their recognizance and then force the justice department to show every bit of evidence unsuppressed and then expose the corruption that led up to everything that happened that day.

Speaker 2:

Very interesting tactic.

Speaker 3:

Now I think if he does what you said and he does do the blanket pardon, let everybody go. Let's get this over with. For a long time you're going to hear a lot of people complain and they're going to say it's unjust, and it's going to be a lot of these other things. But on the flip side, as soon as you press any of those people the Nancy Pelosi's of the world and Chuck Schumer and all the rest of these and you say, well, that that's fine, we can go back and we can just pull all the film footage, we can just show it, we can show it in front of Congress if you want, and then they'll all shut up. But I think there's potential for you know, in the same sense of all of his appointments. You know everybody that he's putting on, you know, into the cabinet and into these key positions to shake things up.

Speaker 3:

I think J6, you know, and the fabrication of all of it, can be used to expose a lot of the corruption under the Biden administration. And oh, not even just the Biden administration, because we all know J6 happened under President Trump. But the you know the moles and the operatives and the you know everybody that was working for Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and General Milley and everybody else, and how they played a role in this. So there's potential there to do that, and I just don't know how long it would take and how much of a disruption it would be, although these people have been sitting in jail for four years. So, you know, released on your recognizance to come back to a trial where you're going to get exonerated anyway. I don't think it would bother them too much. And then oh, by the way, they all deserve a settlement from the federal government.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 3:

Every one of those people deserves a settlement from the federal government and a lot of money.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, a lot of money. No question about it, no question about that, that is for sure. Oh, my goodness, yeah, you know. I mean, I think for me everything comes back to.

Speaker 2:

You know, weighing these two emotions kind of put the thought in my head that you know, to hyper-focus on Hunter and, well, the whole Biden crime family and Pelosi, and you know all of them, and all of the illegal stuff and probably treasonous stuff that they, they absolutely did, Um, and is it worth the time and energy and distraction that it'll cause, when all of the focus can be put on the plan, make America great again and do all of the things and just essentially erase them? And I don't know that the vengeance side of me has a hard time of just saying that's OK, just let them go, Let them go. They, you know, they wreaked havoc on on this country for years and in many cases decades. But you know we're just going to move past that. I don't, I'm not, I don't think I'm a big enough person to do that. I'm trying to be my good Christian self.

Speaker 2:

But that makes it hard to think about these people who have, you know, robbed us blind at the very least, and then they're going to get away with it. That's a hard pill to swallow, but you know, the flip side of that is there is so much work that has to be done and you know, I don't know, I don't know. Is it worth having all of our you know, not all of our, but our resources being directed at that? You know, I don't know, I don't know what the answer is. I would like to see something happen.

Speaker 3:

So I would propose a, an outside of the government Warren type commission to do this like forget the prosecution. The goal is not to prosecute anyone. Listen, president Biden doesn't have, although I I'll to be honest with you. I, four years ago, I thought he would have been dead by now anyway. But you know his, his life expectancy is short and I would tell you that Nancy Pelosi's probably isn't much longer behind him. So, really, what you're, the people that you're going to find are the most guilty in this are going to serve the least amount of punishment.

Speaker 3:

So the important thing, I think, for America is accountability and and knowing the truth. So I think we would probably gain as much or more from a true fact-finding commission that comes out, they examine the laptop, they dig through the bank records, they dig through the communications. They have access. President Trump gives them 100% access to everything. And they come out and they say listen, the Clintons did this, the Bidens did this, obama did this, you know so, and so did. It doesn't matter, you could list them all out. Yeah and go. Listen, we're not going to prosecute anybody, but we're going to tell you this is exactly what happened. And you know America, you can handle it. However, you see, you know you can. Their legacies are that are what they are, but here's the truth and just leave it at that.

Speaker 2:

And you know what? And I think that's exactly why two of those big names that he has nominated, I think that's exactly why he picked them Pam Bondi and, of course, kash Patel. They are ready to clean house and I've got this great clip and I'll be honest. So, so I'm sure, and rightly so, people probably assume that I spend a lot of time perusing news and I'm watching all these shows and podcasts and I know who all of the people, all of the players are. I really don't. I really don't I. You do that's, that's your job. I like I learn about just what I need to know, and then I go into my happy, happy bubble and I read my Bible and I live a very, very focused life where this stuff is actually only allowed to be a very small part of it. So you'll have to forgive me that I really didn't know much at all about Kash Patel, and the more I learned about him, the more I like him. So here's this.

Speaker 5:

I'd break that component out of it. I'd shut down the FBI Hoover building on day one and reopening the next day as a museum of the deep state, and I take the 7000 employees that work in that building and send them across America to chase down criminals. Go be cops, you're cops, go be cops. What do you need 7000 people there for? Same thing with with DOJ. What are all these people doing here? Looking for the next government promotion, looking for the next fancy government title, looking for their parachute out of government. So while you're bringing in the right people, you also have to shrink government.

Speaker 2:

Ah, hmm, it brings me joy. It brings me joy.

Speaker 3:

Yes, for those out there who are like Elsa and are not familiar with Kash Patel. So you know, born to. You know his parents are not born in America, they're both Indian, made their way here through East Africa to Canada to here. Kosh was born here in America. He's a naturalized American citizen, or a natural born American citizen. He's a lawyer, worked first job Miami-Dade as a defendant and, if those of you who don't know Miami-Dade, that is one of the worst crime counties in the United States a defense attorney and then got hired to be a federal prosecutor and then worked his way up and worked in the Trump administration in a number of various positions outside of just the law. He worked in intelligence. He worked for the DNI for a while and then worked Justice Department liaison to the Joint Special Operations Command for prosecution of international terrorists, did some counterterrorism. You know legal work and some other things.

Speaker 3:

He's very, very well-rounded in the intelligence and law enforcement world. In fact there was some speculation that he could. If he didn't, if he wasn't going to get FBI, he might've gotten CIA. But this guy is is no joking around. He is going to be, I think, more so than anybody else. He's going to be the hammer, like he is going to be the guy that comes in and crushes souls and breaks apart old you know networks and all of these other things. He is going to be the guy that comes in and crushes souls and breaks apart old networks and all of these other things. He is going to walk into the FBI as a not FBI guy. Right, he's going to break some stuff on day one and it's going to be a good thing.

Speaker 2:

It's going to be a phenomenal thing. I mean, you think about, you know him in particular, and you know basically everyone that Trump has has appointed or nominated. They aren't beholden to anyone, to anyone, and it is so exciting to know that that they're not in anyone's pocket the nonsense and the noise and they're stating their intentions so boldly and so loudly that if they don't do what they say they're going to do, they're out, they're gone. Like I don't think you know Trump is going to be as loyal as you give him reason to be and you know so. I think all of these people that are coming in, they are truly the real deal, and if they're not, they're gone. They're gone, that's it, and he will find somebody else to do the job that he needs to have done. It's going to be. This is going to be the likes of which, in our lifetimes, we've never seen. Like it's going to be incredible.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, this is going to be across the board and this is absolutely president Trump's intent is. This is going to be breaking the system right. This, more than everything he tried to do in the first four years. This is draining the swamp. That's what this is. This is breaking it apart.

Speaker 3:

This is going to be a renaissance and rebuilding, I think, of our government in the next four years, specifically in the next two years, because he's bringing in people like Kash Patel, who is not an FBI guy, who is not beholden to the bureau, who doesn't care truthfully about the way we've always done things Right, and he is not afraid to say things out loud that make people raise their eyebrows. I saw an interview with him where, I'm trying to remember, he was sitting with two or three different people and they were talking to him, and he looked at me and he said well, you're talking to the guy who has read the entire Warren commission report and oh, by the way, has also read the seven pages that are unreleased to the public from the nine 11 commission. This guy knows everything, he knows the things, so he knows all the dirty little secrets and he wants those released.

Speaker 3:

He does want them released.

Speaker 2:

So there's certain things. He said something, I saw that same thing and he said something about you know, some things are that that are classified, should remain classified, and I trust his judgment on it, but overall, much of that should be released to us, the people, because we deserve to know. And you know, this is what I want to see from our government. This is what is supposed to have been happening all along. It's about us and this is the first, you know, in my lifetime. This is the first government body that's coming in and saying exactly that you know not just well, we know what's best for you, we know what you need, don't worry about you know no transparency between him and the attorney general, you're going to start to see a very, very different look to DOJ.

Speaker 3:

You know, with him heading up the FBI, you're going to start seeing a significant crackdown on a lot of domestic network issues, and when I say networks, I'm talking domestic terrorism, terrorism that has invaded the United States here on US soil, organized crime gangs. You're going to see massive movement on this stuff. Now, I know what he says about the Hoover building and clearing those 7,000 people out of there. It's a good thing and I understand his intent, but he also knows in his heart of hearts there's a number of people that have to remain there for the Bureau to function. Oh sure, Right, Right, I think, like everything else, right, Like like Elon and Vivek are going to do for the next couple of years they are going to trim all the fat Yep, he's got to cut away all the dead weight, Go be a cop.

Speaker 3:

And if you don't want to be a cop, then you need to go away. Right, and I think his youth and his energy, I think, are going to be significant. I also am very interested to see now, with Tulsi Gabbard as the DNI right and the FBI contributing to that effort along with the new attorney general right, who you mentioned right this, the and I hate this word, but the synergy of all of this has the potential attorney general right, who you mentioned right this, the and I hate this word, but the synergy of all of this has the potential to really, really really rock some stuff and break things to the point where people need to brace themselves for the information that is going to come out of this.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's, it's. It's going to break a lot of brains. It really is, and there's a part of me that feels a little bit badly for those people. You know, your average Joes and your average Janes in the world that have, you know, had their heads in the sand or just simply have been living their life and don't really know anything. You know, I do spend more than enough time.

Speaker 2:

You know, for as little time as I spend on certain aspects, I've spent a lot more time than probably a lot of other people in my social circle, in your, you know, your average walk of life type of thing, looking at this stuff, going down those rabbit holes that I wish I never went down, knowing things that I, honestly would rather not know. And if I'm saying that, I can only imagine what people like you can say of the things that you've seen and read and saw firsthand and know you know. So, people who are so fully unprepared for what's about to be unleashed, um, they're like, you're right, they're not ready for it, they're not ready for it and they're not going to handle it well, but it has to be done. It has to be done.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and the things that are going to come out are I do firmly believe the Epstein list is going to come out I really do and I think it's going to be unedited. I think it's going to be unredacted. I think you're going to see the names on there that people don't want to see. I think that the Diddy List is going to come out, yes, and I think all of those people are going to be exposed. I think there's going to be a significant outcry from those social circles. I think you're going to see Hollywood erupt. There's going to be a lot of backlash on this, but I, you know, what I hope is that the American public believes what comes out.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, this, this, you know, these are the things that it's very easy to say oh, that's, that's a lie, and in reality, what you've been fed is a lie for your entire life, like most of us. Right, I'm not, you know I'm. I'm, you know not, kennedy assassination old, I'm 10 years younger than that, but my entire life. Right, the government has stuck to the lone gunman, lee Harvey Oswald, and nobody believes it, but we've never known for sure. Right, we're going to know right.

Speaker 3:

We are going to know. We're going to know the gaps and seams and holes and screw ups and security mistakes that led to 9-11. Yeah, that stuff is all going to come out and there are going to be people that are going to be angry. They're going to be angry at our government. They're going to be angry at people that they had faith in for many, many years and they're going to be exposed, and that includes not just government officials but the entertainment industry as well, and that includes not just government officials, but the entertainment industry as well.

Speaker 3:

There's a lot of garbage out there that I am afraid people are going to, they're not going to be able to manage and handle, and it's going to rock some worlds, it's going to shake some people, but it's okay because it's the truth. And this is where we need to be right now Not just now, but this is where we should have been all along. But this is what this country needs right now is to break all this crap apart, throw it out there and then just just move on and rebuild from there.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know, again, I feel bad for them because they have no idea the storm that's coming, that's going to be unleashed, but this, you know, in my opinion, this is the absolute, only way that we can rebuild trust in our government and repair our system of government to what it was meant to be. This is really like it's a quiet revolution Well, not really quiet, but it's a revolution essentially and I hesitate a little bit to use words like that like a civil war or a revolution, but honestly, this is really what it is. It's just the modern day version of it, you know, and it's done with information.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's not pitchforks and torches, it's not a violent revolution, but this is an information revolution and, you know, a cultural revolution that is about to happen. People need to prepare themselves for that because, but I think the consistency needs to continue. So, like Pete Hegseth, who I've not been shy about this I don't see him as the sec def, but he's under a ton of scrutiny right now, right, and I don't think his nomination is going to last very long. So, for those of you that think he's the best thing since sliced bread, I don't think he's getting there Very much like Matt Gaetz didn't get there Very much like the head of the DEA.

Speaker 3:

That guy withdrew himself his own nomination for a number of good reasons, because once it came out that he was a COVID enforcer he was the guy walking around shutting down churches and arresting people for praying in public and all of those things churches and arresting people for praying in public and all of those things Like that guy was like nope, I'm out, and he backed away. So I think important for President Trump is to continue to place people like Tulsi Gabbard, like, you know, kash Patel, right, those who have a, you know, very clean background in what they're doing into these positions, because what we can't have is speculation that this is just a new generation swamp. We can't do that. That's counterproductive.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think the decisions that have been made thus far, the ones who've withdrawn themselves, and really great decisions and really ones that I feel like are actually showing, you know, ironically actually show a true devotion to you know what needs to be done, the direction that we have to go in. So definitely, kudos to them, to Matt Gates and that guy whose name I can't even come up with, but kudos to both of them for for, essentially, doing the right thing, you know, even if it wasn't the thing that they wanted to do, but yeah, and even if they could have done a lot of good in those positions. Like you said, we need people who are just kind of beyond reproach right now, you know, in those leadership positions because you don't want to give them anything. You know you don't want to give them anything to run with. They're going to run with made up stuff, no matter what. You know we're not even talking about that, but don't give them anything real to run with, basically, right.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Speaking of them, though, um, let's talk about the uh, the anti-Trump governors. Go ahead, clay, so the two big ones.

Speaker 3:

There's a handful of them out there, right? The two big ones are Gavin Newsom and JB Pritzker, California and Illinois respectively. So these two have come out and said out loud and with some definition that they are going to Trump-proof their states. All of these things that President Trump is saying about getting rid of sanctuary cities and sanctuary states, and he's, you know, mass deportations and all the things that President Trump has, you know, ran on and promised they are going to Trump-proof their states to keep the federal government out. Well, interestingly enough, sidebar but relevant is that you know, these are the people who voted for big government and now that big government is going to lean on them, they're like no, no, no, that's state's rights. Yeah, Okay, Shut the F up. Right, you can't have it both ways, but both of these two have there's already speculation. They're both running for president in 2028.

Speaker 2:

Surprise, surprise yeah.

Speaker 3:

These are? These are campaign moves, yes, right, but but really what they are is, I think, in both cases, because if you go back to COVID, these two governors specifically were two of the biggest violators of their own COVID policies, let alone federal COVID policies that were in place at the time. You know JD Pritzker wasn't even in Illinois for most of COVID he was either in. You know, his family is, you know, huge into big pharma, like they are, that's Like they're they are, that's where he's a billionaire.

Speaker 3:

Um, and that's where the money comes from. But, um, you know, he was either at his, his ranch in Florida or his farm in Wisconsin, because the animals had to be tended to and all these other things. So he was traveling and people were supposed to be staying home. He was, you know. And then we all know about Newsome and his dinner parties and you know all the images back in the day of the servers all standing there masked up, and you know Newsom and all of his friends sitting at these very posh restaurants which were closed, being served by them and or attempting to insulate their States from you know what president Trump is prepared to do in the next two years and then more so, the next four years. Right, but yeah, this is this is the goal. This is the new. The new method against fighting against president Trump is to turn States into islands.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, good luck with that is all I can say. I don't know if I'm trying to remember. Well, let's see, I know the, the one from Massachusetts made some pretty bold. So you know, the illegal immigrants, statements on that like we're not going to let them, not going to let them deport anybody, ok. And then there was somebody else that that are. What's his name? Holman? No, is that his name?

Speaker 3:

Well, he said that's the border guy Like yeah, yeah, no, is that his name? Well, he said that's the border guy, like he's.

Speaker 2:

Yes, so he's the one that basically said. I forgot who he said it to.

Speaker 3:

Regards to was Colorado's Denver.

Speaker 2:

Yes, that's who it was, and he's like we agree on one thing Right, you're willing to be locked up and I'm willing to lock you up, so we agree on one thing Like, oh, this guy's really growing on me, I'm, I'm, I'm digging them, and then you've got the people that are taking a hint.

Speaker 3:

Eric Adams, the mayor of New York City, is a prime example. He has come back and said listen, we're not screwing around, we're tired of this. The people in New York are tired of this. You know, he does look very wishy-washy and I wish it didn't appear this way, but that's, that's reality. I believe that there's still a cop in him somewhere that he has suppressed for the last couple of years. Now I think he feels emboldened to come back out again.

Speaker 2:

Not that they bit him when he took a chomp, when he got bitten there in the Exactly. Yeah, I think that was at least the start of his wake-up call, that he was like hang on a second, no matter what I do, you're going to come for me if I do one thing that you don't agree with, all right, I see how it is. Yeah, you know, and I, I, I, yeah, I'm, I'm interested to see, I'm willing to sit back and watch and see if he develops at all. But yeah.

Speaker 3:

So you've got obviously Pritzker and and Newsom. I think you know keep an eye on New York and keep an eye on Michigan. You know those are the places where you're going to start to see the most pushback. But at the same time, you know President Trump will do what he does. He will try to negotiate, he will try and cut deals, he will do those things and at the end of the day, what he will do is withhold funding and you know he will try to make it not impact the residents of those states as much as he possibly can. But in the end he's just going to turn around and say that's fine, if you want to be like that, then you're not going to get any federal funding and you can figure it out on your own. And it is what it is.

Speaker 2:

And that's the right tactic. I think that's the best way to handle it. Go in with that velvet glove and and give them the opportunity, because that's what the people of those States need to see, you know. And if they don't want to recognize that, that's on them. But? But anyone who has is actually paying attention is going to say hang on a second. You're like this is the hill you're going to die on, or actually, this is the hill you're going to make us die on while you sit pretty? I don't think so. So it's all going to be very interesting to watch. I don't think so. So it's all going to be very interesting to watch, especially which ones you know bend the knee, so to speak. You know, after all their tough talk, and which ones actually hold hold strong to their convictions.

Speaker 3:

So I think you know, if President Trump plays this, there's a way to play this, and I think what he does is he preempts everything. Yeah, I think what he does is he comes, he stands in front of the American public and he says listen, I'm going to go to Illinois and I'm going to go to California, and I'm going to go to New York and I'm going to go to Michigan and I'm going to tell them this, and then they're going to come back and they're going to tell me no. And then I'm going to tell them this and I'm going to offer this, and they're going to continue to tell me no. And just have them walk through the entire process and then go and at the end of the day, they're still going to tell me no. So I want you all to know what I'm putting on the table and every offer to all of them on behalf of all of you.

Speaker 3:

And they are the ones who are going to screw you over because of their policies on illegal immigrants, who are draining your taxes, who are weighing on you, who are taking your jobs, et cetera, et cetera. Just lay it all out there before it even happens, and then just watch the fireworks when it does, because that's kind of you know, the city of Chicago was really really big in and around the DNC right, was really really big in and around the DNC right. The nomination because that was the outrage within the city was that the city had dumped millions and millions of dollars into supporting illegal immigrants and the people who lived in the city were suffering for it. Yeah, so if President Trump can demonstrate that to the American public, especially in those four or five states with Democratic blue governors, I think he wins before he even starts.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree. I think that's the best way to go about it again with the like ultra, ultra transparency. I'm going to tell you everything that I plan on doing and you know, and it's all out there. It's, it's going to be, oh, it's going to be so amazing January 20th. You know, I'm not usually one for like saying things like I want to speed time up. You know, because as you get older you definitely want to slow time down. But if I could, you know, just have that genie in a bottle wish of can we just speed up the next? How many days did you say it was? You said it before we came on, before January 20th.

Speaker 3:

I was talking about Christmas, but I'll do the Christmas.

Speaker 2:

Oh, that's right, that's right. So, about 47 days. Okay, just over a month. Yeah, if we could just speed up that timeframe, can we just like do a little hop and get to that? You're just putting a wish out there, you know. I like to slow time Speaking of Christmas right.

Speaker 3:

Three weeks from Christmas, three weeks from today. Again, we are recording on the fourth Wednesday, the fourth. So we're three weeks from Christmas, which means we've got this week and a couple more. We won't record on Christmas week because, listen, elsa and I love you guys, but we're not recording this on Christmas Eve and you're not watching it on Christmas day. If you're watching this on Christmas day, you need to get a life. I'm sorry, go help the homeless. We love you guys, go to a soup kitchen and feed, but in a couple of weeks, on the 18th. So mark down on your calendars, right? So actually, I guess it will be the 19th, yeah, 19th, yeah, it'll be the 19th.

Speaker 2:

Whatever the Thursday is, whatever it is we'll.

Speaker 3:

We'll announce the date, but it's either that Wednesday or Thursday of that week, the week before Christmas, and we asked each other favorite Christmas movies and favorite Christmas memories and Christmas traditions and those kinds of things, If you're a deep fan and you remember that show. It was a lot of fun. We had a really, really good time. So this year we're going to do something very similar, but we're inviting all of you to jump in and be part of the fun. So, like we did on election night, we'll do live. We'll have the comments up on the screen. You guys can ask us questions which we will both answer, or each of us will answer, depending on what the question is, and we'll just have fun. You guys can get to know us a little bit better. We will have some great interaction between hosts and audience and it will be our last little deal before Christmas. What do you think?

Speaker 2:

I love it. I'm so excited. I hope you guys are excited for it too. We're going to have so much fun. That was really.

Speaker 2:

That was probably one of my favorite episodes that we've done because it was so casual and it was, it was just fun and it was fun getting to know you. Like I don't know what you guys know of Clay and my relationship, but here's a funny for you. Know of Clay and my relationship, but here's a funny for you Clay and I have never met in person. This is it. I interviewed Clay. For those of you who don't know the story, I'll tell you extremely quickly. Two years ago probably, I interviewed Clay.

Speaker 3:

Very close yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so two-ish years ago I interviewed Clay on the show for his book Keep Moving, keep Shooting, and we talked about his book and it was a great episode, love learning about him and his book and all of that good stuff. And then you know that was kind of that. Then you know we both move on with life doing the stuff and things. And then last year summer, like I don't know, spring I think it was.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, okay, so that's when you and I communicate. So, like in the spring, I started thinking, you know what, I'm kind of bored with myself. I think I want, I think I want a co-host. And so I was kind of formulating this idea that I wanted a co-host. But who am I, who am I going to ask to be my co-host? People in my real life, as we call it. They're just, this isn't their lane, this isn't the kind of thing that they'd be interested in. And I'm like I don't know who to ask. I'm like, and then by the summertime I was fully committed that, all right, I'm going to find a co-host.

Speaker 2:

And then, lo and behold, I get an email from Clay hey, how you doing, just wanted to check back in. If you're ever looking for, you know, a guest to come back, I'd love to come back on. And I looked at the email and I he'd make a great co-host. He's like we're so opposite but also of the same mind. You know, similar but opposite. And he reminds me of my husband. That same kind of personality and of course I love my husband Like I think he might be perfect and like this was all in the way I do things, it was all in a matter of like five minutes of reading the email, doing the hmm, and then going to, to, to, to, to, to, clicking out that text or message email saying, hey, good to hear from you, all's good. Blah, blah, blah. I want to be my co-host.

Speaker 3:

Nope, no like you know, responded back immediately and said yes. And so since last August 15, 16 months ago, it's this, has been it every, but have never met in person, never met in person.

Speaker 2:

Never met in person. So, yeah, so you know, we're still like learning about each other. We're still, you know, getting to know each other a little bit. But we also like the coolest thing is we have such a natural, easy rapport that like you can't fake that. You know you ever see any kind of co-host with anything and you can tell it's so stiff and awkward and uncomfortable and they're like they don't really like each other or anything. We like each other. It's cool, absolutely, it's good. So you know and, more importantly, you know, we really like you. We like you, we really do. Isn't there an actress that did?

Speaker 2:

a speech with that. Yeah, you like me, you really like you, and we would absolutely love for you to join us in that live show and and throw your questions in and comments and all that stuff and we will have an absolute blast. And of course we'll remind you about it over the next couple of weeks so that you know we can have a nice big group in here and it'll be so much fun. So I'll just say I hope you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving. Mine was lovely, clay said his was lovely and we're I'm excited for Christmas, cause you know well it's it's not even about Christmas, but hanging out with the grand babies. So I'm excited for that. But yeah, and in the meantime we're going to have so much stuff for you guys.

Speaker 3:

You know that we will never stops.

Speaker 2:

It never stops. Clay, you go ahead. Give them the final words.

Speaker 3:

Hey folks, as always, we we enjoy this. We we appreciate you all tuning in every week and I know that you know the days of Kamala are numbered, but anyway, we love having you and this is great for us and we hope it's great for you guys. And you know, looking forward to the next couple of weeks all the way up to Christmas, and until then, as always from me, keep moving and keep shooting.

Speaker 2:

Take care guys no-transcript.

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