Courage Above, Contentions Below, Exploring Today's Conflicts

Have you ever jumped out of a plane and plunged into history, or fought in the courtroom battles that grip the nation? Prepare for an episode where Clay, a seasoned paratrooper, straps us in for a heart-racing leap with the Phantom Airborne Brigade and lands us into the midst of high-stakes legal drama that could change the political landscape. Join us as we navigate the complexities of Trump's trials and the reverberations they could send through our nation's future.

The episode doesn't shy away from controversial waters as we cast our gaze on the stirring waves of civil unrest and its impact on the pillars of society—education and employment. Listen as we explore the undercurrents of student protests and the unexpected consequences of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion initiatives that ripple through academia to the sports field. We tackle the hard questions: Who's really behind these protests, and what are the ramifications for those caught in the crossfire, from withheld grades to the potential tainting of future job prospects?

Finally, we navigate the delicate balance between fair competition and inclusion, examining the adjustments needed to accommodate diverse gender identities in sports. It's a complex web of cause and effect where well-intentioned policies sometimes backfire, sparking intense debate and the possibility of creating a whole new competition category. Join us for a robust discussion that cuts through the noise and dives deep into the heart of these societal quandaries that shape our world in ways we can't ignore.

Chapters

• 0:00 Phantom Airborne Brigade
• 13:10 Trump Trial and Stormy Daniels' Testimony
• 21:47 Trump Campaign and Ceasefire in Palestine
• 28:47 Discussion on Terrorism and Protests
• 39:19 Unrest Effects on Education and Employment
• 49:34 Implosion of DEI Backlash and Adjustments

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Well, hello everybody. The team is back. We are back in action. Clay was away doing something so fun and I am so excited that we get to show everybody a little glimpse of that. But we're going to do that right after Clay says his hello, and then we'll do our intro. So you go ahead and say hi first.

Speaker 2: 0:20

Hey everybody, glad to be back and we'll talk about my super fun weekend here in a second, but always glad to be back on the show with Elsa.

Speaker 1: 0:28

Yay, We'll be right back, All right. So Clay set up this clip for everybody. Give them a little idea of what they're going to see and why they're going to see it.

Speaker 2: 0:53

So I found this organization two years ago through a guy who used to work for me. It is called the Phantom Airborne Brigade. I've mentioned them a couple of times in the past, but I spent a good portion of my military career as a paratrooper, jumped a number of times before I retired. You know you could see behind me I'm a master rated parachute is something I'm very, very proud of. But I found this organization two years ago called the Phantom Airborne Brigade. They're out of Zephyr Hills, florida, and what they do, what we do as an organization, is we conduct military style parachute operations round canopy static line, just like we all did in the army for years and years. And it's an organization that brings veterans of all ages and all generations together and the only prerequisite is you have to be a military trained parachutist and I jump with them three to four times a year.

Speaker 2: 1:48

Take a trip down to Florida. It's always great. Twice a year they jump and we're going to show you my exit out of this beautiful World War II C-47 aircraft. We jump into a couple of different lakes in Florida and the reason that we do these water jumps is because it lets us, it allows us, to do some really special things, but let's show the clip first, and then I'll talk a little bit more about the cool stuff that the lake jumps allow us to do.

Speaker 1: 2:16

I love it. All right, you guys are going to love this. This is so cool. Go, number one, go, number one, go. It's so crazy because you look so chill like you just look so chill, like bloop just jumping. If that was me, my screams would be heard from you know, five states away.

Speaker 2: 2:48

Yeah, that was my 85th career jump, so I won't say it's old hat, but I am comfortable with it. But so you know, I exited out of that plane. I was the number three jumper. I had a GoPro mounted on my helmet and that's why you know I got to share that with everybody. But the cool thing about us landing in that lake and that was Lake Dora, the city of Tavares, I think that's how you pronounce it, tavares or Tavares but they host us either once a year or twice a year.

Speaker 2: 3:19

We jump into Lake Dora. We've jumped into Lake Eustis, which is one of the next up in the chain of lakes. But great people down there, all those boats that you could probably see. Those boats drive out and pick all of us up out of the water. So we jump with a life preserver on. They pick us up, they drive us to shore, totally voluntary. They're such awesome people.

Speaker 2: 3:40

But the water jumps allow older folks, like our oldest jumper, our number one jumper. His name's Freddy, is 90. 90 years old. The guy went to airborne school, learned how to be a paratrooper in the 1950s, so he jumps with us. We also had two paraplegic triplegic jumpers, so allowing them to land in the lake right. So we rig them up in a parachute and we hook them up and we push them out the door and they love it. They come back over and over again.

Speaker 2: 4:16

We also had a double amputee who jumped with his dog. Whoa, he's got a dog that he jumped. Her name's Juliet, his name's Chris. He's got a dog that he jumped. Her name's juliet, his name's chris, jumps with her below, right below his reserve parachute, and he cuts her away right before he gets in the water. And you know this is the second time they've done it.

Speaker 2: 4:32

But those are things that people can't do. Like freddie, at 90 years old, can't land on, you know, you know, and he's not alone. I mean, we've got some guys who've been around the block a few times and ladies, we We've got, you know, women paratroopers to jump with us. But but we also have that, you know, the paraplegic triplegic and then the double amputee. You know it allows those folks specifically the ability to jump again and that's really it's the camaraderie, you know, it's the brotherhood, sisterhood of being a paratrooper and it brings us all together. We facilitated a reunion of an Army unit, a Ranger unit. A bunch of them jumped and we, as the Phantom Airborne Brigade kind of put it all together and allows them to come together around this event of jumping out of a plane and we put out I think the total number was somewhere around 170 jumpers for the day but out of that beautiful C-47, the Tico Bell which dropped paratroopers on D-Day, actual D-Day aircraft.

Speaker 1: 5:36

That's a lot of history right there.

Speaker 2: 5:38

Yeah, so cool, so cool to be a part of that. But, yeah, I do that a couple of times a year and I got the water jump this time in, which is a part of that. But, uh, yeah, I do that a couple of times a year and and, uh, I got the, got the water jump this time in which is a lot of fun.

Speaker 1: 5:48

Uh, do the water jump like twice a year or twice a year.

Speaker 2: 5:52

It's very because every single we jump every parachute we own and oh, by the way, not just the mains get wet, but the reserves have to be unpacked and dried and then repacked. So it's very time consuming and it gets a little expensive to do all that repacking. So we only do those twice a year, but there are a lot of fun. Again, city of Tavares all the boat people that you know pick us up. The whole thing is amazing. And again, phantom Airborne Brigade you can find them. If you want to watch more videos, full length videos, go to YouTube. It's all over the place. We've got some folks Greg Stanley, who's one of my good buddies and is a jump master and he does all the video editing and stuff, so he puts the videos out on YouTube. You know it's just a great group of folks and I love going down there and and really such a great experience for veterans in general. And there's a lot of veterans that come and don't even jump, don't even jump.

Speaker 1: 6:46

They just come and they be around it. They just want to be part of it.

Speaker 2: 6:50

It's a reminder of days gone by which they're okay with, but it's the camaraderie and the laughter and the joking and the profanity and everything that comes with it.

Speaker 2: 6:59

Some good old profanity, yeah well soldiers are soldiers, it doesn't matter, and, and, but it really is a great organization. It is a nonprofit organization. So please, please. It takes money to run that joint Um. Go to Phantom Airborne Brigade, google it, find the website. You can make a donation, um, and donations matter, so, um, but uh, yeah, such a great weekend for me, um, such a good time for everybody that participated, and and I, I can't wait to go back.

Speaker 1: 7:31

I know that sounds.

Speaker 2: 7:31

They think I'm crazy. I'm retired. I'm still jumping out of planes. They think I'm nuts, but I love it.

Speaker 1: 7:37

Listen, I I think it's nuts for myself, but for you I think it's awesome. I think for you that is an amazing thing. I kind of sort of we've talked about this before. I kind of sort of love the idea. I think it's. I don't love the idea, it's so stupid. I don't love the idea of the literal jumping out, I think, just getting the nerve to do that. But the idea of you know, essentially flying, technically falling but flying through the air sounds so incredible and exhilarating and the view, as you guys saw in that video, just to be able. Do you have well, you do. Do people in general who don't do this really do you think they have like the, the peace of mind to um, just to like gather in that scene, or are people so freaked out by the fact that they're falling?

Speaker 2: 8:37

So we you know we have a very wide range of experience, right, everybody went to aS Army Airborne School and jumped five times and never jumped again. To. You know, guys like me, or even guys and gals who have more experience than I do, like I said, I retired with 77 jumps. You know, I've added another eight since I've retired, so I'm at 85. And we've got guys jump down there that are, you know, 100, 150, 200 jumps. So I would tell you that you know, there are plenty of us who get out there and just love the time under canopy, so quiet and so peaceful, and it's awesome. And then there are people who are just, you know, for whatever reason, they want to do it again, even if it's just one more time. They want to jump.

Speaker 2: 9:20

I can promise you they are focused solely on exactly what they need to do, and they're probably missing out on a lot of it, but that's okay that is perfect.

Speaker 1: 9:30

Yes, that is okay, that is okay. So, guys, first of all and I know you're as interested as this as I am, so I know none of you mind that I'm hijacking some of our topics here for a moment, because I do have more questions, I have to ask them. So, first of all, how long does it take?

Speaker 2: 9:50

from the time that you jump to getting to the ground, like what's the time span? So you, you exit and we do static line around canopy, so we are connected. You can see. You know, right before I exited you could see the static line, the hooks hooked to the cable and crap, so that pulls the parachute out of the track, the pack on your back, right, we don't pull anything, it's not free fall parachuting, right. So it deploys as you go out. And so you count, right, you count to four. We're all the new army parachutes. You count to six, but we were all told to count to four.

Speaker 2: 10:18

These four seconds you've got a canopy and if you don't, you better pull your reserve. So it's four seconds, you've got a canopy and we jump from usually about 1500 feet above the water. So you know 1500. So you'll get about 30 to 40 seconds, depending on your weight and then the temperature that day, cause sometimes if it's warm, it the air is denser and it takes you longer to fall and there's all kinds of science involved. But you're getting anywhere from you know, 30 to 45 seconds of time under canopy, just floating until you know. In this case we're hitting the lake and the boat teams, like I said, are awesome. They're honest, like less than 10 seconds right. There's a boat, you hit the water and you're and we all jump with a life preserver on. But you hit the water and there's a boat pulling up to you and two or three people, or a family or whoever and they help pull you out of the water and pull your parachute out and take you back to shore. It's great.

Speaker 1: 11:07

Yeah, that part sounds actually a little alarming to me, because you have this parachute and these cords and and things and and you're wet and like, does the parachute when you land, does it just fall nicely behind you, Typically?

Speaker 2: 11:21

it does, it will fall one side or the other. It's almost so unbelievably rare to have a canopy come down on top of you. It almost never happens.

Speaker 1: 11:28

Yeah, that's the idea, that's the image that.

Speaker 2: 11:32

Yeah, no, it always it'll go, you know, in front of you or it'll go behind you or off to one side or the other. And that on that particular jump and again we shortened the video, but I, you know, came in kind of face first, landing although not very quick, and, and truthfully, I quickly rolled over on my back and took the lines. You saw the suspension lines and I made sure, because I landed face first, I rolled over and I flipped half of them, you know. So they were split either way and I just stayed on my back until the the boat got there.

Speaker 1: 12:00

Wow, yeah, wow, so wild. Oh, all right guys. Thank you, clay. Thank you for indulging me. I probably could come up with like 50 million more questions, and I know you guys are thinking of questions too. You're like, oh, I wonder. If so, put them in the comments, ask Clay. Clay will love to answer them. Clearly, he loves talking about it, he loves doing it, loves talking about it. We love hearing about it. So it's, it's a perfect, perfect situation, right.

Speaker 2: 12:27

Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's annoyingly one of my favorite topics.

Speaker 1: 12:31

I think that's cool.

Speaker 2: 12:33

Love everything about it, so I'll talk about it all night long if you let me, so probably better. That's awesome.

Speaker 1: 12:37

Hey guys, you know, if you want to see, if you want a show dedicated to talking about all that, you you know, line up those questions for us and and we'll make it a Q and a and have some fun with it. So just a thought throwing it out there.

Speaker 1: 12:48

We can do that I think I would enjoy it. I love it Cause I have like so many questions about just being airborne like that and it's just so cool, and other people will come up with much better questions than than I can, so I think I think that'd be super fun, all right. So, listen, we have something not fun for the people involved, especially the one in the center of it all. Of course, we have to do a Trump trial update. We must. We must because we'll be doing these until like 2050 or something.

Speaker 2: 13:21

Especially since did you see that the secret documents case got postponed indefinitely?

Speaker 1: 13:28

I saw that maybe an hour before we came on. I was like okay.

Speaker 2: 13:32

Again, folks reminder it's Tuesday. It's Tuesday, so all of this stuff is late breaking today. But yeah so the secret documents in Florida, because that's where that one's at postponed indefinitely, because I think the judge recognizes that there's just so much overlap going on it's somewhat fruitless to even attempt this. So I think rightfully so. But are we going to take some bets on when the new trial date is Somewhere, maybe mid-October?

Speaker 1: 14:01

Yeah, got to be. Got to be Mid-October sounds about right, yep Sounds, right, yep Sounds. But I can't imagine why. I mean, I don't know why that came to mind, but you know but the but, the big one in New York.

Speaker 2: 14:13

And today, you know, we, we had stormy Daniels, right Stormy on the stand, stormy stormy, yeah, and so her testimony, you know, pushed or almost demanded a call for a mistrial.

Speaker 1: 14:33

Yes, yes, so, so part of the gist of what was going on today, which is, you know, it's comical in its way, you know, it's all very, you know, let's be real, it's. It's so disgusting and absurd and embarrassing the whole entire thing that you know it's all very, you know, let's be real, it's. It's so disgusting and absurd and embarrassing the whole entire thing that you know, as you know I like to do, I like to find the amusement factor in this, because otherwise my head will explode. So you guys all know that about me. So, you know, I, I'm looking at this and reading these, these things, and and I I find it amusing in a weird way that that basically, everyone wanted Stormy Daniels to just please shut up. She was even the judge even the judge was like way too much words.

Speaker 1: 15:22

I mean, everything about what she was doing did no favors to her or her team in. You know just just the way she came across. It was very frivolous, and bubbly and and silly and over the top and making it very, very clear to everyone what anyone with half a brain knows, which is that she's just looking for attention, she just wants to be the center of attention, she wants a big payout, she wants you know all of these things.

Speaker 2: 15:49

And she wants a book deal, she wants movie rights, she wants all that.

Speaker 1: 15:52

She made that abundantly clear today and I guess you know I mean I think most people, or at least a lot of people like basically know the timeline of things, but in case you don't, so this stems back to 2006 with their alleged affair, or trice, or whatever you want to call it. You can come up with all kinds of names for it, but an involvement, we'll call them an involvement or no. What's the one? Will Smith and Jada, whatever her face, is an entanglement. We'll use that. They had an entanglement, an entanglement. They had an entanglement, an entanglement, an entanglement.

Speaker 2: 16:27

Right, that's a good one. Actually, I got to give it to them. It sounds like a guy trying to talk his way out of something.

Speaker 1: 16:32

Totally, totally, and it was actually her that was talking her way out of it. Funny enough, an entanglement, but yeah, so anyhow. So, alleged affair, entanglement 2006. Supposedly well, I guess it's maybe not supposed. Well, no, it's supposedly a hush money payment. September 2016,. Trump apparently discusses $150,000 payment understood to be for a different woman, playboy model, karen McDougal. He discussed this allegedly, supposedly, with Michael Cohen, who secretly recorded the conversation. So I guess it's not so allegedly, for that. She alleged that she had an extramarital affair with him that began in 2006. Then you have Stormy Daniels who, according to prosecutors, he pays her $130,000 through her attorney, via a shell company, in exchange for her silence. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So, of course, this has all been disputed by Trump. He claims that this did not happen. She says yeah, it totally did. Now, at some point during all this, I think she signed a document saying that, yeah, it didn't actually happen, right.

Speaker 2: 17:43

Yep, like that was just yeah, um.

Speaker 1: 17:47

then, of course, november of 2016,. He secures the election and all hell really breaks loose. Because now, now it, that is the, the true, hardcore beginning of the get rid of Trump campaign, you know from every non-Trumper or anti-Trumper in the world. Um, and then so on and so forth, so that, so that's like the gist of what's going on. And, of course, 2018 Wall Street Journal breaks news about the hush money payment. And here we are with now, you know, trial number 3007 for Donald Trump. So, yeah, so what do you think, clay? What do you think is going to happen with this one?

Speaker 2: 18:26

So the call for the mistrial was because the things that she was talking about which were very, you know, private, illicit, jackie Collins smut kind of stuff is what it sounds like that was when the judge was like OK, stop. Like completely irrelevant to the case. Really, what it is is, it's it's trying to. You know it's a character assassination, which is what all of this is. But this is just a continuation of character assassination of President Trump, and and so she was letting loose with all of it. Whether it happened or not, there's only two people in the world that know and and. But she was telling her story and you know they. They said mistrial. You know Trump's team said mistrial, this is totally irrelevant, she's it's, the jury doesn't need to hear this stuff. And even that they took a break and the judge basically came back and was like okay, knock it off.

Speaker 2: 19:17

So you know her testimony is now. You know you can look at it two ways. Her testimony is now on the record because none of it was struck from the record, right? So that is there for the jury to continue to review, right, as they go through deliberation and stuff. So if they choose to go back and read some smut, then you know that's up to them, but it's there and it's there forever. So it just depends on how you feel about it. Is she like you said? Is she doing this purely for attention? Is it for the book or the movie? Is she, you know, doing I hate to say this, but doing what adult film stars do, which is scream for attention, right? Is that just a continuation of who she is? But the reality and we've talked about this before is that the timeline of all of this? He is on trial for using campaign funds to pay off right, right? Whatever happened between them, totally irrelevant.

Speaker 1: 20:14

Yeah, completely irrelevant. And, by the way and I don't know if you guys watching know this the feds already essentially signed off on this. Like they looked at it and said there was no campaign violation made and they were done with it. I mean there's record of that. That. They said, nope, he did not use campaign funds, it was not a violation of anything. This is basically dead in the water. We're done. It wasn't, you know. So that should have been the end of the story with that. Like you can think, whatever you want dirty dog, whatever this, that the other thing, adulterer, blah, blah, blah all of the things might be a hundred percent correct, doesn't matter, as long as he didn't do anything illegal, it's, it's done. And you know, that's the part that still, to this very minute, baffles the hell out of me. How are they're making a case, a criminal case, against him with this, with something that was already dismissed, like, already looked at, already dismissed? I? I hope somebody can help me understand that, can you? I cause I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 21:16

I mean it's right now. It's mission accomplished, because what they're trying to do is keep them off the campaign trail. That's the whole purpose behind this this. There's no expectation that they're going to win this case. Zero. I mean the whole thing. Stormy Daniels, the only relevance to this is were you given money? Yes, when were you given money On this date? Who did you get the money from? How was this arranged? Like that's, that's, what was the money for? Those are the things that are relevant when it comes to her, her getting on the stand, doing all this character assassination stuff. It's, this is all part of this.

Speaker 2: 21:47

The, the keep Trump out of office campaign that you, like you said has been going on for eight years now. Truthfully, um, and and right now it's somewhat mission accomplished. I mean, there's a couple of things. Right, he's been doing a pretty solid job of going to the firehouse with pizza and like hanging out at the you know the um, you know the bodega, and like talking to people. He's campaigning in New York. He's doing it every day. Now he's, he's paying for it. Yeah, although the judge did say was it today or was it yesterday? Like I, I'm getting tired of this. I need to. You know you're going to end up in jail and he's like that's fine.

Speaker 2: 22:25

Go ahead. You know the constitution is more important than me spending a night or two in jail. I don't care.

Speaker 1: 22:29

Yeah, you know, and the thing about all of this that I just can't help but love, you know, as much as I truly hate the circus of all of it, the thing that I do love is that every single thing that they try and do to tarnish him and to stop him and slow him down only gives him more traction, more fuel, more accolades, more love, more everything. And this gag order is another example of that. Like they don't get it, like how do they not get it that you're telling a former president and a very likely upcoming future president that he cannot defend himself, he cannot speak, you know, and all we're hearing collectively is that you're denying him his rights to speak. I mean, come on, and here's what's happening.

Speaker 2: 23:20

So, in a weird way, it's probably one of the best things that they could have done, for his popularity Agreed and I know he's got a natural knack for taking a crap sandwich and turning it into something fantastic. That's why he's as wealthy as he is. But I don't know if it's a campaign manager. I don't know who it is, but somebody, and it could very well be Trump himself. Whoever is doing this, whoever's looking at well, tomorrow, let's go to the firehouse, and then on Friday Friday is such and such day let's go by this location and then we'll do that. And however, they're reacting to everything that's going on and they're flipping it on its ear and they're making it look great for him is a masterful like this, is a master class on opportunistic campaigning that it's unbelievable. It's so good. Whether you respect him or not, you have to respect what he's turning this into, which is a great opportunity for him, and he's knocking it out of the park.

Speaker 1: 24:20

I, you know, and and proof that that they know that too. You know they may publicly say, oh, you know, he's down in the polls and you're going down. They may be saying all that, but you know, one of my favorite, funniest moments of proof of that was his a few weeks back. He went to like a fast food joint and some woman was. You know, there's a big exchange between him and and very notably and I point out the fact that she was black, because this is obviously a big demographic that they're all fighting over the black community and it was a black woman as basically saying hey, listen, I don't care what they're saying in the news, we love you, we think you're great, we're not listening to them, you know, we love you. And he gives her a great big hug. And you know, it's this amazing, you know moment captured, you know, for his campaign.

Speaker 1: 25:09

And then, like a hot minute later, the Biden team is like oh, you know what? I think we got to do this too, so we're going to do the same thing. And they try and stage almost the identical thing and there's like no reaction from the people there. They could care less. They're just looking at him like, oh, okay, and then you have like one of his staff people going stay back, stay back, just stay back. Nobody's coming forward, like nobody's coming forward. The whole scene was awkward and embarrassing and lame and fell. They just fell flat on their face with it. So it's they can't win. They can't win If they win this.

Speaker 2: 25:49

The campaign on the Democratic side is so broken right now Like they are floundering so bad they can't figure out what to do. And you know, I was convinced you were convinced that at some point in the middle of all this that they were going to cash President Biden in, or they were going to cash the vice president in. One of them was going to have to go. And I think they're at a point now where they really, really don't know what to do. There's no contingency of okay, well, we've reached this threshold and now we've got to do this. It's so bad. I think there's a lot of folks behind the scenes throwing their hands up like it doesn't matter what we do. I think we're screwed.

Speaker 1: 26:28

Yeah, yeah, and I think that's genuinely the case. I mean, I don't, I don't know what they could do right now to salvage anything that they have going on. I mean, now they're, they're, they're all turning on him. There was just the what is it? The squad? The squad is turning on him and you know, this is a little bit of irony too. It's not surprising, because this is what they do. You know, they all end up turning on each other at some point, you know, and that's now they're calling him out and telling him what a bad job he's done. There's a big. I'll have to find it, I'm sure we have it somewhere. But yeah, they're calling him out too now because they don't, they're not happy with his response, with Palestine and no, you know, and they're probably sitting there going no good deed goes unpunished. There is no good deeds happening. We know that. But you know that's probably their, their perspective.

Speaker 2: 27:18

Speaking of Palestine.

Speaker 1: 27:20

Speaking of that was an accidental segue. By the way, it worked beautifully.

Speaker 2: 27:27

I know I'm going to pretend we did that on purpose. Let's all go with it. Okay, guys. Yeah, so you know this. This was a very, very brief headline, but it's pretty significant. So there was a ceasefire being brokered by Egypt and I think, qatar Qatar, however you want to pronounce it they are brokering the ceasefire between Hamas and Israel and you know they put all the terms and conditions together and they threw it on the table yesterday and Hamas is like well, we're in, we'll sign, we'll take it. And literally within that hour, israel launched an offensive in Arafa to clear out some known and it was a very clinical, very well done counter terror, you know operation. There was pre-warnings done. They told a humanitarian camp with a hospital and some other things. They're like okay, you guys need to get out of the way.

Speaker 1: 28:22

It was like a hundred thousand people that they, you know, told to evacuate like advanced warning, trying to help you guys.

Speaker 2: 28:28

They did, they did all that, yep, and then they, and then they rolled in and, you know, did what they do, um, so, um, so Israel's willing to listen, like that was the last update I got. They're like, eh well, we'll, we'll, we'll listen, but Hamas is already like we're, we're in Cause they're. You know this, you know the way terrorism works and you know Hamas is not stupid as an organization. Is that? It's about attention, it's about support and it's about maintaining visibility as much and as long as you can. Right, and you back off and you reset, and it may take you six months, it may take you a year, it may take you two years.

Speaker 2: 29:12

Right, they'll back off, They'll stop all this stuff. Everything will go cold for a while and all they're doing is restocking, rearming, recruiting, training, right, All this stuff. You know, when the first rocket attack happened and everybody's like how in the world did they move all those around? How did they get them all set up? Let me tell you that was a multi-year operation to it and that's what they're going to do again. They're going to sign up for this ceasefire. They're going to, you know, and and if Israel agrees, which at some point they will. Um, that's all Hamas is going to do. They're going to go to ground, they're going to take a breather, you know they're going to drink some water, take some Motrin, and you know, and they're going to, and they're going to reset, rearm and reman and and and get themselves up for another another one of these two years from now.

Speaker 1: 30:07

Israel's memory is not going to be short with this. What on earth, if you even have any idea, like what would it take, do you think, for Israel to agree to a ceasefire right now? Because they have to be sitting there, going, saying basically the same thing that you're saying, that they're not going to give up, they're not going to honor a ceasefire, they're going to give the appearance of honoring a ceasefire just so they can, like you said, regroup and maybe make an even bigger attack. So I mean, honestly, if I were Israel, I would say you're getting decimated, you're getting burnt down to the ground.

Speaker 2: 30:44

So if you're, I mean I know that sounds horrible, but yeah, the hard part is you can't kill a belief or an idea, right, and people say, oh well, we did it at the end of World War II. Japan's not the same thing, right, and those people are kind of the overreactionary crowd of you know, you've got, you know, if you go nuclear, well, israel can't Like literally like Palestine. Palestine is, it's like right there, it's not even an option, right, you know it right, takes it off the table, truthfully, based on proximity. But you know, like we defeated the Nazis in World War Two, there is still Nazism around the world, like the idea when Hitler killed himself. That didn't end it Right. So you can't. You know bin Laden's dead, al-qaeda still exists, like that's, it's going on, and Hamas is the same way.

Speaker 2: 31:42

So even if they dismantle, I think that would be the first thing that Israel would demand is that they dismantle the Hamas-led government in the occupied territories, in Palestine. You know Gaza and those places. That would be the number one thing, right, you would have to get Hamas out of the government. And two, you would have to do 100% disarmament. You know there would be no weapons allowed, there would be all that stuff, they'd get rid of everything. But again, it's all going to happen underground anyway. Even if you pull Hamas out of the government, they're just going to move three doors down to a new building and set up shop and it's going to be the same thing.

Speaker 2: 32:24

So counter-terror operations are extremely difficult because good guys look like bad guys, bad guys look like good guys. Everybody looks the same. You know it's very difficult to kill an idea, but you know, I think at a minimum there has to be a ceasefire at some point, because Israel is not going to. Nobody wants to do this indefinitely. We didn't like doing it indefinitely and it wasn't anywhere near us. You know Iraq, afghanistan, but but this you know the first thing is they've got to get Hamas out of the government. That's going to be the number one demand coming out of Israel and if that doesn't happen and it's not agreed to, israel is never going to sign on.

Speaker 1: 33:00

And they need, you know, quote unquote, I guess neutral leaders to I don't know kind of facilitate that, and I mean what we have for leadership right now is a joke. So I don't see anything effective coming out of our camp, so to speak, to help neutralize this situation or appease anyone in it. So I feel like we're going to see this going on for a bit longer, yeah.

Speaker 1: 33:31

Yeah, Months, and you know and meanwhile and we'll do another one of those super sleek segues Meanwhile you know, we have all of our, our protests going on and all of this is kind of it's kind of finally seems to be coming to a head, and you know, oh my goodness, we could probably devote a whole show to this, but both of us would probably lose our temper. So, oh my goodness, we could probably devote a whole show to this, but both of us would probably lose our temper so, so bad that, yeah, there, this one would get a, an NC-17 rating.

Speaker 2: 34:00

I think if we did a whole show on this just for language, it would it would.

Speaker 1: 34:05

I wouldn't even be able to put this one on YouTube, Just for language.

Speaker 2: 34:08

They'd be like nope, this one you can't do. But but you know you said this is all kind of coming to a head or really kind of on the downslope. I just saw today that the Rhode Island School of Design, this morning students went and occupied buildings. Everybody else is getting tear gassed and flash bangs and, like you know, their, their campments are getting torn down and kids are getting thrown out of school and people are getting arrested. And and yet rhode island I don't know, maybe the news is a little slow there I, I don't know, but you know just now decided we're gonna go occupy some buildings on campus, like so what are they?

Speaker 2: 34:46

doing like can't you yeah, can't you just as much as it is?

Speaker 1: 34:48

jackasses with their starbucks and their iPhone and going what do you want to do today? I don't know. Do you want to go storm the building? I don't know, I guess. Okay, cool, Some guy gave us a whole bunch of tents and some money, so let's do it. Sounds like fun truth to that.

Speaker 2: 35:13

Um, I, I you know, um you know, there's some some not great journalism going on out there. Um, I don't know if you saw it or not. There's a very, very attractive blonde woman. I won't, it's not you, um.

Speaker 2: 35:21

I know you're conservative, conservative, she, she's on TV all the time. She's got her own podcast. I won't say her name, um, but she, uh, she, uh, you know she, she said that the reason you're not seeing any of the protesters is because they're ugly, because they are unattractive people. Now I, this particular journalist, I, I, I actually enjoy, I enjoy her opinion most of the time that was the laziest. That was the late, that was probably not. Yeah, that was the laziest.

Speaker 1: 35:50

That was the late. That was probably not. Yeah, that was probably not good.

Speaker 2: 35:53

Journalisming. It was really like very cringe.

Speaker 1: 35:57

We're like really like, yeah, we didn't really need to go.

Speaker 2: 36:01

Yeah, that was just, but you know the it is widespread. I mean, and you, you know there are some amazing correlations and some people are doing some real great data polls. I saw they pulled the top maybe 15 schools with federal funding, like which schools have received the most federal funding. And oh, by the way, all 15 of those schools are on the list of where these protests are going on. Columbia a billion dollars, a billion dollars in federal funding.

Speaker 1: 36:37

Ivy League schools. These people are parents of these students are paying astronomical amounts of money for their little snot nose kids to be going there.

Speaker 1: 36:48

I'm not saying they're all snot nose kids, but there's a good portion of them that clearly are. And then you also have educators, professors, instructors there joining in and participating in this nonsense. And there's been, I think I just saw I didn't save it but there's just one who is being considered as kind of like a ringleader of instigating these things. So that, right there. Shame. I don't like to really shame people, I don't, but I can't help but sit here and go. Shame on you parents. Shame on you, because if that was my kid, if I happen to look on the news and I saw my kid who I'm spending a boatload of money on to get an education, out there, you know, with his Starbucks and his flag and his mask or her mask, protesting instead of being in class, where you belong, you're done. You're done, you're out. Go figure it out, you're done. So shame on them, honestly, for you know, sitting here, going, oh, I'm so proud of Junior for standing up for what they believe in. They don't even they didn't give a crap about any of this until all of a sudden, this is a bunch of theatrics and bull, and also so here. So I've got some numbers for you too, let's see, because we like numbers.

Speaker 1: 38:08

So more than 2000 people have been arrested at these pro-Palestine protests at colleges. 2,000 people have been arrested right, and that's just been in the past two weeks. At UCLA, overnight, 210 people were arrested when officers cleared an on-campus encampment and of course that was pure chaos and a mess. And, as all of them are, as soon as this starts happening, they all get their cell phones out and recording. You know, as all of them are, as soon as this starts happening, they all get their their cell phones out and you know recording. Oh, look at, the police are being so mean to us. You know, see that one, see that one with that, that guy thinking like was, uh, you know, just dragging his feet as the police officer moving along, so he just scooped him right up and he started.

Speaker 2: 38:48

I think it was. He started screaming like a little girl.

Speaker 1: 38:51

It was hilarious, let's see. So, yeah, so, tons and tons of arrests. But I want to get to the really, really interesting point, let's see. So, nearly 30 percent of the people arrested at Columbia were unaffiliated with the university. And are you ready for this one? 60% of the arrests at City College involved people who weren't affiliated with that school. So right, and this is exactly what we're talking about. You know, you have all of these outside agitators coming in and you know, and if you've seen all of the pictures, or some of the pictures, I'd say all of the pictures. And if you've seen all of the pictures or some of the pictures, I'd say all of the pictures. But I just find it so fascinating that they all coordinated these students or protesters, all coordinated their tents. They all have the same exact tent. Wow, they all went to the same tent store for them. Interesting. So you know, I mean, come on, how stupid do they think people are?

Speaker 2: 39:54

That's like really my question. But I, you know the there are professional agitators. I mean, they've showed there's. There was a woman that they showed, who was, you know, down there giving advice to the Columbia students. You know, I think in and before they, you know, stormed and took over that academic hall, was an advisor for Occupy Wall Street, for a couple of other, I think, some of the 2020 riots, the Antifa and those kinds of things. So she's been around. She does this for a living. She gets paid for it. George Soros probably has her on speed dial, but you were talking about the educators.

Speaker 2: 40:32

I think it's UNC, where there is a number of professors that are saying, well, we don't support the administration attacking these students and potentially expelling them or suspending them and all these other things.

Speaker 2: 40:45

We are going to withhold everyone's grades, whether they were involved or not, because we are going to. We're going to withhold their grades and, you know, because we think the administration is overstepping their bounds and all these other things, and the administration basically, without saying, without threatening, said all teacher, all professors, all instructors, all teachers assistants will submit grades on time, and and left it at that. Um, you know it. There was a little bit of flowery. Like you know, our students are dependent upon you know time for employment and all these other things, but it literally the message was put the grades in and you will find yourself unemployed because it is part of their contract. You know, your responsibilities as an instructor is to get grades in on time. Any other instructor, any other professor, I don't care how tenured you are, if you don't have your grades in by a certain date, they can fire you. I promise you, almost every university in America that is a condition of your continued employment is putting grades in.

Speaker 1: 41:48

It's literally part of your job, the culmination of everything that you do throughout the school year. That is the point of it in that setting. So yeah, I saw the saddest video, broke my heart A girl I forget where she was it might've been Texas, I just can't remember where it was but she just made this video and she was devastated. They were part of you know.

Speaker 1: 42:12

This class is the same class that lost out on their high school graduations because of COVID and they were so excited. This girl saying you know, I have worked my ass off for this. This is a huge. Maybe it's not a big deal to you or somebody else, but to me this was huge. We lost out on our high school graduation. That experience of that. I was so looking forward to my graduation here. And now we've gotten a letter from you know, the university, saying that the graduation has been canceled due to threats and just fear because of the protesters, that they were concerned about violence and stuff like that. So how horrendous and sad and tragic is that that now these kids get robbed again because of you know? Theater politics basically.

Speaker 2: 43:05

Because of something manufactured by the government.

Speaker 1: 43:07

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2: 43:09

What I mean. That's really what this boils down to right Twice in a row for them, separated by four. You know, and I don't know if you've seen these there's plenty of them out there but the man on the street reporting, with all these protests, showing how absolutely stupid and uninformed many of them are, you know, from the river to the sea, they can't tell you what the river to the sea means. Right, that's a, that's an ongoing thing. They can't tell you. They can't tell you where palestine is in many cases. I saw one, I saw one today, uh, that it was, uh again, man on the street type reporting, and you know, and it was this young woman and it was free palestine. She was for freedom for everybody. Like she's free palestine, free congo, free rwanda, free hawaii. She actually said free Hawaii, no, come on. Free Haiti. And it was like wow.

Speaker 2: 44:06

Like I. How about somebody?

Speaker 1: 44:08

somebody needs to send her over to Haiti. Just send her to Haiti. Let's see how good that works out for her.

Speaker 2: 44:13

Oh, it's just unbelievable, Like it is. So they're so uninformed, I'm not even going to say misinformed, so they're so uninformed, I'm not even going to say misinformed. You know your belief in the Palestine-Israel conflict. Whichever side of that coin you land on, I think you and I obviously are landing on the same side of this. But you know, if you land on the other side, that's one thing. If you're educated, informed, you know, your opinion is what it is, okay, fine.

Speaker 2: 44:38

But to be uninformed and to be this adamant about what you're doing is is that is just such a blot on anybody's character as a human being. You know, and, and these schools, unfortunately, you know, the kids that you're talking about that have gotten, you know, kind of screwed out of two graduations. Some of these kids are going to get screwed out of jobs because there's a lot of companies now that are saying we're not hiring anybody from Columbia, we're not hiring anybody from Harvard, from UNC, from Yale, from all of these schools that are UCLA, USC, all these schools that are participating Blank, we're not hiring you. If you went to those schools, you might as well go get a second degree from somewhere else, because we're not, we're not doing it.

Speaker 1: 45:28

How about that Right? Once upon a time that was the golden ticket into a job and to certain fields. And now it's wow.

Speaker 2: 45:38

Well, forbes and you know Forbes, which is a great, and you know forbes, which is a great, you know public and just rewrote the ivy league. They said that current ivy league that we know, as we know it today, sucks, it's terrible, it's not a good education, it's totally overrated. They're not what they think they are. And they put out a list, two lists actually public and private 10, the new Ivy league is really what it's called, and all of the Ivy league plus some of those adjacent schools, like MIT, which wasn't really Ivy league but it was kind of Ivy league all of them gone, none of them on the list. You've got schools like university of Illinois right, shout out to friends of mine, right University of Illinois, university of Florida on the private side, notre Dame and some other ones like that. So, yeah, everybody's recognizing that the wokeness of all of this is detrimental to the graduates, which means hiring them is detrimental to your organization it's hiring them is detrimental to your organization.

Speaker 1: 46:40

Once you start hitting people in the wallets and as far as the students and the parents of these students whoever's footing the bill for these colleges if you start hitting them in their wallet, they're going to change their tune very, very quickly. And when you're talking about an issue, that is it. You know it's deep and it's very emotional and it's very um, it's intense and it should be and it's right to be. So if you're, if you're on the wrong side of things when it comes to your future employers, you're asked out. It's that simple. So you better, your kids better be thinking long and hard about what you're, where you are and what you want to be doing in the future, because what you're doing now is is going to dramatically impact your future.

Speaker 2: 47:26

And, and this is one of those where, like peer pressure, is really going to start to matter- yeah.

Speaker 2: 47:31

Like the student, like those young men at UNC, and good for them. Let's give them a shout out right, protect the flag. Great guys Love it. You know that is a. There's been so much outpouring for those young men. I think it was fantastic. The fraternity guys and I don't remember what fraternity it was, I was never a fraternity guy, so I don't know, I don't have all those committed to memory, but good for them. Right Stepped in and said nope, we're not doing this. You know, whatever flag was raised, they tore it back down. They put American flag up and they tore it right down.

Speaker 1: 48:02

Yeah, what a, what a powerful. The video is great, but the picture itself is so great of these kids holding up that flag and so that it wouldn't touch the ground. It was like, oh, my patriotic heart, you just, oh, my God, that just, oh, that was beautiful and, yes, there is hope. There's hope when you think there's a the thing is these kids are. Yes, there is hope. There is hope when you think there's a the thing is these kids are, are were taking on verbal and physical assault.

Speaker 1: 48:28

I mean, things were being thrown at them. I mean, you know, talk about that, that's some little badassery right there. And you know we're not used to seeing that, at least not in, in, you know, in the mainstream. But yeah, that was really, really cool. I think there was a GoFundMe that was put up for them to throw, like the rager of all ragers and the right. And the last that I saw and I'm sure it's gone up quite a bit more since then the last that I saw they had raised like $400,000 for these kids. I suspect that they will do, they'll do some great things with it. I'm sure they're going to throw a hell of a rager, but I bet they're going to do some really cool stuff with it too, so I got to check up on that story.

Speaker 2: 49:07

Yeah, and I tell you right now there's some, there's some military recruiters that are like we got to go talk to those kids. We need, we need to find those kids and oh, by the way, take that picture of those kids and put it in every recruiting station in America, you know like. Do you agree with them? Yes, Good, Okay.

Speaker 1: 49:25

Okay, come on then. Yep, for sure yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:28

Oh no, those kids are awesome, right, and we'll throw another segue in.

Speaker 2: 49:34

Boom. We're starting to see as much as we've been talking about right at these specific universities Columbia and some of these others where the fat UNC, where the faculty, is part of the problem right, I won't say all of the problem, but they're part of the problem You're also starting to see a big, big swing in the whole DEI effort at a lot of universities and I, you know, I've seen maybe this is old and maybe I'm just behind, but you know DEI now stands for didn't earn it. I've seen that a lot in the last week or so, which you know it's probably been around a while and I just missed it but universities are starting to figure out that DEI hires are turning into repeat hires because they're not competent and capable and they're not qualified yeah.

Speaker 2: 50:24

So you know where DEI has been thriving for a number of years. Now those places are looking back at their hiring practices and saying you know we've, we filled this six times in the last seven years. Why? Why is that? And then they go back and they look and they go oh well, he or she was hired based on a quota, or or they you know they're whatever pronouns are using or or they them, their their right, and they and they, they, they look back, they're starting to look back at that and, like you said, we like numbers, people like numbers.

Speaker 2: 50:56

Right, it makes things very clear and they're looking at their hiring practices and going this DEI stuff is not it's, it's costing us money.

Speaker 1: 51:04

It's costing you money, it's probably, in certain cases, earning you some hefty lawsuits and and you know whatnot, because, guess what, it's discriminatory and you know, and it's basically racist and it's basically racist. You know, I'd like to believe, you know, I, I, I hold out hope sometimes, not all the time, but I hold out hope sometimes that people start things or do things with with the best of intentions, and I would like to believe that when somebody came up with this, hey, uh, what is it? Diversity, equity and inclusion, or equal equity, right, yeah, somebody was like well, those are great words, you know. Diversity, diversity is great. Equity, equity is cool. Inclusion, of course we want everybody to have an opportunity. You know, you take a concept that in its original form, is lovely. Of course. Who wouldn't want those things? Things, you know, um, and then you pervert it and then you ruin it and then you destroy it and you make it something ugly. Um, I have two schools of thought. There's that side of me that would like to believe in the better nature of people, and then there's the other part of me that's, you know, been on this earth for more than a minute and says, oh no, that was, you know, very deliberate and very orchestrated and planned, because they love to F around with words and that is their thing.

Speaker 1: 52:29

And I've plugged this book many times. I get nothing out of plugging this book, I promise you. But there's a book by Michael Knowles something about now I'm drawing a blank on it speech something, speech, speechless. That's it, speechless by Michael Knowles. And he really dissects this how the left has essentially hijacked language and how we use it.

Speaker 1: 52:51

And we think that right off the bat you think politically incorrect things like that. And he dissects it and he goes all the way back to probably like the 40s and maybe even earlier than that, all the way back, and he just takes you through like the whole history and evolution of how the left has manipulated and hijacked words to use against us, to use against people and to make you afraid to speak, to say things and do things. And you know I went sideways on that a little bit, but I do recommend that book if you're curious about that. It's pretty things. And you know I went sideways on that a little bit, but I do recommend that book If you're curious about that. It's, it's a pretty amazing. But like you said here, here the implosion is beginning.

Speaker 2: 53:28

Yeah, and, and I think so you know, kind of jump and piggybacking off what you said the the DEI, very much in concept is great, right, Great Right. Title nine Same thing. Right. As Title nine was developed, it was about giving young women the opportunity for scholarships and to compete at the collegiate level and continue their education, and all of these great things it's being perverted by the current administration. Right, and like, if you want to hear somebody get really pissed about Title IX, martina Navratilova, listen to that lady for a little bit. Holy cow, right, she is so mad about this it's not even funny. It's the same thing, right.

Speaker 2: 54:15

And I think what you're going to see, as we're starting to see the DEI backlash, and I think you're starting to see a little bit of the backlash on Title IX and LGBTQ and who competes at what level, at what sports and scholarships and those things You're starting to see a little bit more backlash on that too, on the education side, and I think you're going to see more. I think they'll find a different solution. I think you'll have like a third category. Okay, fine, I think most people were on board with a while ago, but, for whatever reason, we've decided to redefine everything to appease a very, very small population, and DEI is-.

Speaker 1: 54:53

I don't know about you, Clay, but I'm totally cool with them having another category.

Speaker 1: 54:57

I mean you know, do whatever you want. If it doesn't hurt or affect me, I'm cool with that. Sure, why not? I'll cheer for you, whatever I mean. You know, do, do, do whatever you want. Yeah, if it doesn't hurt or affect me, um, I'm cool with that. Sure, why not? I'll, I'll cheer for you. Whatever, I don't care. Just, you're not going to take away opportunity from people in a group that you do not actually belong in. Just not going to do it. It's not going to be okay.

Speaker 1: 55:15

And, and you know, and that's, and that is where we're finally at, where enough people are going hang on, hang on. This is now finally out of hand enough for me to react to it, to actually have to get involved in this and say no more. And, um, and it was always a matter of time. Like anybody, anybody who's observed and I'm not good at history, I was actually kicked out of my history class, but that's a whole other story. But, um, you know.

Speaker 1: 55:39

So history is not necessarily my thing, but I do know enough about history that it's cyclical, right? You know all of the things, different versions of it, and this is the pendulum swing. You know, they swung way too hard. Well, to the left, they swung way too hard to the left, and now that's got to be corrected. Are we going to probably swing at some point in our future? Are we going to swing too hard to the right? We probably will, because we don't learn. But that's where we're at right now. The pendulum is swinging and it's about damn time, honestly, and I think that's you know, that's the trajectory, that's what I think. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.

Speaker 2: 56:20

You're not. You're not, though I mean, you know that's. That's the Bill Maher argument right now. James Carville, democratic strategist, has been saying that for three years now he's been saying it. We can't Right, yeah, right. You can't keep pushing this super, super left, liberal agenda on the vast majority of America, including many Democrats who don't want this. Like it doesn't work. This is still a democracy, it's a, it's a Republic, but you know it's a. Our system of government requires support by the population, and this doesn't have the support of the population. It just doesn't. So, and people are starting to see that they're coming to those conclusions and they're making adjustments on their own. So you're on it, you're all over it and you're agreeing with some of the big heads out there, which is, you know, is yeah.

Speaker 1: 57:18

Yeah, Good, you know. And just a message to anybody who watches the show that knows me personally, Ha ha, I do have common sense. So there, Just wanted to throw that in. It's a strange, crazy time to be alive, isn't it Just to be apart and watch this ugly phase of history. And you know it's sad and I look forward to when we can see the other side of this and all the great things that are.

Speaker 1: 57:54

I'm like projecting now. I'm like what's it called Manifesting? I'm like manifesting now all the great things to come because of what we all just went through, and and I actually do believe that, you know, okay, Fluffiness aside, I do believe that, um, because the kids that are coming up now, my grandkids, um, the, the youth of today, the very young, young, um, they're going to be part of that pendulum sweat, uh, swing, and they're going to be cause they're looking at all this. They're like our world's crazy. I don't like this. And they're going to fix it. I know they will.

Speaker 1: 58:26

This was so much fun and I'm so glad we got to share Clay's video with you. That was so, so cool. Make sure you go visit that website. We'll put it in the show notes for you too, in case you, in case you want to just click on it and go check it out and maybe donate and give some support. That would be really, really cool and we look forward to talking to you in the comment sections and all that good stuff, Clay, you want to take them on out?

Speaker 2: 58:51

Hey, one more plug Phantom Airborne Brigade. Look them up on YouTube, check out their website, make a donation. Donations matter and, as always from me, keep moving, keep shooting.

Speaker 1: 58:59

I love it and, as always from me, keep moving, keep shooting. I love it. All right, guys, we will see you next time.