RFK Jr.'s VP Bombshell, High Stakes of Political Fundraising, & Inside the Upheaval of American Elections and Property Rights

Discover the seismic political shifts as RFK Jr.'s independent campaign throws a wrench into the two-party system, and the Democrats scramble to retain their grip on power. In our latest episode, we dissect the stunning move of RFK Jr. choosing Nicole Shanahan as his VP candidate, exploring not only the financial ramifications but also the unpredictable dance of alliances in an election cycle where Trump and Biden are forced to reassess their positions. And if you're wondering whether politics and personal finances should mix, we've got the insights you crave.

With a flair for the dramatic, we dive into the heart of political fundraising, where Democratic titans convene to amass fortunes and non-incumbents like Trump navigate the challenges of keeping their political machines well-oiled. Imagine a world where former Presidents and current candidates command multi-million dollar nights – it's not just a fantasy, it's a strategy. We parse through the implications of these fundraising efforts and the strategizing behind them, revealing how the current administration might be teetering on the edge of desperation.

Finally, join us on a journey from the theoretical to the tangible, as we examine the quirky yet pressing issue of squatters' rights and property ownership in America. We share jaw-dropping stories alongside a critical look at the proposed legal reforms that could tip the scales for homeowners nationwide. This episode isn't just a political deep dive – it's a riveting narrative that blends the sobering tales of international espionage with the complexities of domestic policy, all culminating in an episode that is as thought-provoking as it is informative.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Well, hello everyone and welcome to the show. We are ready for a great one again. Of course, for you guys, we've got some really really good big topics. No surprise there either. We've got my buddy there, clay Clay. Say hi to everyone.

Speaker 2: 0:15

Hey everybody, back for another week. We got Elsa again, two in a row.

Speaker 1: 0:20

Yes, yes, and tomorrow I go to Florida again.

Speaker 2: 0:23

Right, right, just so everybody knows you're a little bit out of sync because she's going to see grandbaby again. We're recording on a monday instead of a tuesday, so if the news seems a little off as we're talking, that's why yes, I'm glad you told, glad you told them that, because, yes, yes, all jumping right in like we did last week.

Speaker 1: 0:58

We did the same thing last week because we have like five, some a lot of times we do like what, like three, three or four and we give them yeah, three or four, and we give them like a really good chunk of time because they usually need them. But there's just so much stuff. There's so much stuff. So right off the bat we're talking about RFK getting momentum. How about that? That's not a surprise, it's not a surprise right.

Speaker 1: 1:22

I mean, it's no surprise at all. So we want to look at, like, the big implications of that and it's pretty interesting. Maybe not surprising for a lot of people, but the Dems are freaking out. They're freaking out.

Speaker 2: 1:38

It's kind of funny, kind of funny right, yeah, I mean this started a couple of months ago. You and I, you know kind of funny right, yeah, I mean this started a couple of months ago. You and I, you know kind of figured out that this was going to be an issue when president biden refused secret service protection for rfk. Remember when that happened?

Speaker 2: 1:53

we're like okay, well, that's, that's an issue there, um, and we've kind of kept an eye on him, you know. He's been kind of simmering in the background and waiting for, you know, the republican party to shrink its field down to what we inevitably knew was going to happen, which is, you know, president, the Republican Party to shrink its field down to what we inevitably knew was going to happen, which is, you know, president Trump is the candidate. And so here we sit, right, we've got President Biden, we've got President Trump, and we've got RFK Jr, and you know he's running as an independent. And so the big news is he announced his vice presidential candidate. And you know, what do we know about her?

Speaker 1: 2:28

Yeah, I mean, you know, not, not a ton. She's a Silicon Valley philanthropist, nicole Shanahan. She's what? 38 years old, very young, and she has been, you know, out of the political arena. This is not her lane. She's obviously, you know, very on board with Kennedy's ideas and sentiments. You know, I mean, they're in sync. Yeah, I mean, she's interesting. She's interesting. There was some big criticism of her, though she's loaded Her husband.

Speaker 2: 3:04

Her ex-husband was one of the founders of Google. Yes, so in the divorce settlement she, as we would all assume, got a ton of money. Yes, now, you know, supreme Court ruled in. I think it was in the seventies, like 76, maybe that your personal and this is what president Trump did to your personal finance as a candidate.

Speaker 2: 3:29

You can spend it however you want. So there's no limitation on you spending your own money to run for office. There's no campaign rules against it. It actually falls under free speech, which I thought was amazing. Um, the first amendment. But as she runs for office now, rfk as an independent I mean, obviously you know President Trump and we're going to talk about fundraising in a minute, but you know President Trump and President Biden have the coffers, the war chests of the parties to rely upon, which you know RFK doesn't, but what he does have is a vice presidential candidate with a crap ton of money that they now girls got banked. Yeah, she already paid $4 million. She financed $4 million for his Superbowl commercial, which obviously, I think is where the attention came and what put her on his radar to potentially become his vice, and now it is his vice presidential candidate.

Speaker 1: 4:24

Yep, yeah, and, and they are, and the Dems are are like we said they're going, they're going bonkers, they're going bat shit crazy over it. They've got super PACs more than one devoted to crushing third party candidates. Let's see what else Democrat national committee mobile billboards. They troll Kennedy at events, and party donors are funding legal efforts to try and keep them off the ballot. So they're pulling out all the stops.

Speaker 1: 4:54

They're shaking in their shoes, of course, in many, many ways, but one of them is that he has and correct me if I'm wrong he's actually said favorable things about Trump. He's not really, he's not anti-Trump. He's calling Biden the biggest threat to this country. So he's aiming his guns that way and he's not aiming them towards Trump, which leads me to question and now, mind you, clay and our viewers, I'm not a political analyst, I don't know. A lot of these things Don't come for me when I ask this question Is there a possibility that, when it came down to it, that Trump could ever pick Kennedy as a running mate? Can that happen in the sphere of anything?

Speaker 2: 5:49

Yeah, I mean, I don't see why not. I think you know, declaring is there may be some rules about him declaring as an independent, running as an independent if he drops out of the race, and then you know, I, I, I honestly don't see him switching parties.

Speaker 1: 6:07

Right, because he is a.

Speaker 2: 6:08

Democrat at heart. I mean, he is a Kennedy. He's actually. One of his big criticisms of president Biden is that you know his family, the famous Kennedys, right? And we're not talking about drunk Teddy, right, we're talking about, you know, jack, jack and Bobby would be ashamed of what the, the democratic party, has become and especially what president biden is doing in the white house. He's not shy about saying that. I right, I don't, as you know, I think your point of you know he's favorable, not necessarily favorable, but he's. He doesn't slam trump, he doesn't slander him, he doesn't go after him like the rest of the democratic party. But I don't see him switching parties to be a VP candidate for Trump. I don't see that happening yeah.

Speaker 1: 6:52

I could see where it would be desirable, though, for the people, right. I mean, I feel like that could appease a lot of anti-Trumpers and could appeal. I mean because he's got a big. What he's pulling away from Biden is and I think you mentioned this last week he's pulling away young Black voters, right? Young voters in general, I believe, but specifically voters of color, so that that's a big threat. That's a big threat.

Speaker 2: 7:28

Yeah, and it's so. When he announced Shanahan as his vice presidential candidate, like you said, the Dems went into full, full freak out mode. Right, there were members sent. There were, like you know, because I think they weren't taking him very seriously, because he just wasn't going to be able to financially survive. Right, I think they were just kind of like, okay, well, we'll give him till, you know, june at latest, and then he'll be gone because he'll shot his wad, he won't have any money. Well, now that you know, things have changed. So now it's a significant, you know, emotional event for them to deal with him. Because and I had forgotten about this We've talked about Ross Perot and his effect on the 92 election.

Speaker 2: 8:09

Right, he essentially split enough of the Republican party to put Bill Clinton into office. It's arguable Some people will go back and revisionist history and say no, he didn't, he didn't have that much effect, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But he, he, actually Ross Perot, was actually winning in the polls at one point at that, but anyway, so he, you know, we've been, we've talked about Ross Perot as a third party candidate having an effect on the election. I had forgotten about this until I was reading. Uh, maybe it was Saturday. Um, I was reading, you know, was it Nader? I think it was Ralph Nader in 2000 running and he's the one who caused his impact, caused the recount in Florida between Bush Gore.

Speaker 1: 8:52

Oh, wow Right.

Speaker 2: 8:53

Wow, and so that, of course, lost the election for that, lost Florida and eventually lost the Electoral College votes for Florida, for Gore, which lost the election. So now you've got you know the Democratic Party is in a little bit of a freak out mode because they know that it's these, it's these states, it's the battleground states that are going to be the problem, because if they're that close, you know, the estimate is Trump's not losing his base to RFK, right, it's Biden that's losing his base to RFK.

Speaker 2: 9:25

Right, it's Biden that's losing his base to RFK.

Speaker 1: 9:28

Yeah, yeah. And obviously the proof in that is which one is freaking out. You know if there's, you know if you need to. If you need to wonder who's who's, who's got the most to lose from from that, from a third party candidate, obviously it's the one who's going nuts from that from a third party candidate, obviously it's the one who's going nuts and listen.

Speaker 2: 9:53

I've seen numbers as high as 60% of the voting public right now doesn't want either one of them. They don't want Biden or Trump, right Up to six. I've seen as high as 60% right. Most of the polls I've seen are in the low 50s. It's still 50% right. That's a big chunk. It's still a lot of people.

Speaker 1: 10:08

Yeah, you can't disregard that.

Speaker 2: 10:09

No. So what you've got is a viable Listen, kennedy's never going to win. He's never going to win, but what he is going to do is affect the election, and we've been saying that for a long time. But I think, with this infusion of cash that he just got with his vice president and he was talking about some cool people not cool, but he was talking about some interesting people- as vice president right, aaron Rodgers and Jesse Ventura and some other folks, and all of a sudden he pulls this lady out of thin air.

Speaker 1: 10:41

And of course it's because she's got the cash. She's got the money, honey. Right, she's got the cash.

Speaker 2: 10:45

She's got the money. She's got the money. Honey Right. She's also anti-vaccine, like he is. So that you know there are some you said it when we kind of started there's some overlap in their views. I don't think she's necessarily hardline. I think she's probably a little further left than he is, which is a little weird. But um right. Yeah, there are some very strict issues or hard, hardline issues that they're in line with.

Speaker 1: 11:05

Yeah, yeah, you know strict issues or hard, hard line issues that they're in line with. Yeah, you know. I can't remember for the life of me what it was, but there was something about her, and maybe one of our viewers listeners can chime in here if they know there was something about her that was intensely off putting, that disappointed a lot of RFK Junior fans, followers, supporters, whatever you want to call them. There was something about her that was a big deal and I don't know what it was, so I will find it, or one of you will find it and put it in the comments for us. But, yeah darn, it makes me so mad when I can't remember what it is. But either way, it's very interesting. I'm just curious do you think he's gone into this and I know it's really impossible to get inside somebody else's mind and their mindset, but I'm just curious. Do you think, like he's come into this also knowing full well he's not going to win? He's just going to do enough to really stir the pot and jolt everything? What do you think?

Speaker 2: 11:59

yeah, I, I know third party independent candidates ever won Right. In fact, no third party candidate has ever carried a state and won an electoral votes. So but he is from that family. I do believe, and I know that this goes against everything I believe about politicians, but I think deep down inside there is a touch of altruism in what he's trying to do. I really do believe that he thinks that it's the right thing to do for the country that he, you know, carrying on his family's legacy and the name and everything it stands for and has stood for in the past. I do believe that in his heart of hearts he thinks he's doing the right thing. But I also think he knows, you know, when the room is quiet and the lights are out and he's sitting there by himself, he knows he's not going to win. So he's doing what he. He's doing what he can, like you said, to affect the election in what he thinks is the best way possible for the country to keep Biden out of office.

Speaker 1: 12:57

Yeah, yep, yeah, I mean man, biden, harris. I mean, what more can you say about everything except for that? And really, actually, the icing on the cake of those two names that imagery is. Honestly, it is Biden's bad enough, bad enough, but the very thought of her in that seat should be making everyone ill, just ill. And you don't hear. You know, there's certainly factions of people who are, you know, still riding that whole. She could be the first Black, female, indian president of the United. You know, doing all of the things, they're always going to have that crowd. That that is all they hyper-focus on. They don't care about anything else. They certainly exist, but you don't hear them a lot. You really don't. That is not a big loud chant that you're hearing, like you would be hearing if it were Michelle Obama, for example.

Speaker 2: 14:00

She is not. She is not the champion that they wanted Believe me. No, no, she is not. She is not the champion that they wanted Believe now. No, it's not. She becomes the first anything in any of those realms like that. It will be an embarrassment and I think even the people on her side will be like, yeah, boy, we slid into that one. Yeah, I don't think he wants that. I've never, never seen or heard a single person. It's like man. I really hope she ends up Nobody.

Speaker 1: 14:28

And that is really like when you actually stop for a minute and think about that. You're talking about a party whose whole existence is on identity politics and you know, racial, everything like that is there, everything like that is their, that's their baby right there, and that they can't push this woman forward in good conscience Not that they actually have good conscious, but in any kind of conscious themselves right, tells you a lot, a lot, a lot. So, yeah, boy. So listen, we're talking about all these guys and, um, how they getting their money. We know how. We know how, how junior's getting his money.

Speaker 2: 15:07

About the rest of them is very interesting so I mean, we, we talked about this a little bit last week, but it became much more relevant. So, you know, you know, um, president Biden, and instead of attending the wake and funeral, that slain police officer decided to go to a swanky fundraiser shindig in DC where they pulled out all the stops they got they, they broke out everybody, everybody but Jimmy Carter. Um, you know.

Speaker 2: 15:33

Lizzo was there right, yeah, thank God for that. Um, yeah, they got they. President clinton and president obama, right and president biden. You got three presidents in the room at the same time and, and you know, and I know, like president obama and even clinton, to this day, is still the rock star of the democratic party like 100 would walk past president biden, would walk past president Biden, would walk past president Obama to get to president Clinton to shake his hand, right Even now.

Speaker 2: 16:03

Right, and they would certainly walk past Biden to get to Obama for the same reason. But they had all of that star power in one place, right, and they pulled $25 million in fundraising in one night, right. That's a big deal. That's a big deal, $25 million.

Speaker 1: 16:20

That's a very big deal.

Speaker 2: 16:21

Right and, and you know all of this stuff, you know the, the president, the incumbent, whoever it is, always has a bit of an advantage when it comes to running for reelection, because their staff is their staff, right, they don't really have to pay for their staff because their staff, most of their staff't really have to pay for their staff, because their staff, most of their staff, is getting their white house staff, so they're already getting paid for it, so that doesn't come out of their you know, election reelection fund. So there's a little bit there. But, like president Trump in this case, you know, or anybody else, who's running, who's not the incumbent. They've got to pay for travel, they got to pay for staff, they got to pay, and really the biggest thing that they've got to pay for is advertising. Advertising dollars are big, they're huge. Like we said in the last segment, rfk juniors. You know, bp Kennedy Shanahan paid $4 million for him for Superbowl commercial $4 million $4 million.

Speaker 2: 17:18

Advertising is where it's at, so that's where most of that 25 million is going to go. Right, and that's what they were looking for. Thank god, right yeah, right, yeah.

Speaker 1: 17:27

So let me say, uh, let me say two things, and one of them I'm going to ask my christian friends to cover your ears for just a moment, just a moment. And uh, let me just say about that, that fundraising event and President Jackass going to that instead of the not that they'd want him there, but the funeral for for Officer Jonathan Diller. What a piece of shit. You guys can uncover your ears now. What a. Actually cover them again. What a piece of shit, that's all I can say. And good on Trump for being there, for going, and I love that they booted that governor of New York. Right the hell out. Said get out of here, didn't even get in the door, couldn't even get in the door.

Speaker 1: 18:16

It was a flat out. You're gone, yes. So yeah, I know it's a little hard to tell my feelings on that subject. Cop's wife.

Speaker 2: 18:27

You've never been shy Cop's wife. That's who you are.

Speaker 1: 18:32

You shouldn't sugarcoat any of that? Nope.

Speaker 2: 18:35

That opinion. Your position is well-deserved and well-earned, so good for you.

Speaker 1: 18:39

Thank you, thank you, and that got me so fired up. I don't even remember what my second point was. I don't even have the slightest clue what the other thing I was going to say was.

Speaker 2: 18:49

Well, I'll say it. So they got outdone, right. President Trump, this past week, down in Florida hanging out just being President Trump Showed up at a fundraiser Him and Melania Yep, just them Didn't bring out any other superstars, none of that stuff. Nope, $50.5 million. He doubled them. How about that Doubled?

Speaker 1: 19:13

them. Yeah, how about that? Yes, so what's their difference? I do have, let's see. So Biden's campaign says it entered February with one hundred and thirty million cash on hand across its affiliated committees, and the political action committee supporting him had 65 million cash on hand combined to start February. So obviously I'm pretty sure that's not including this latest fundraising. So so, yeah, so how about them?

Speaker 2: 19:51

apples. Yeah, I mean, sure Were they behind? Ok, right, but you know, and I know that, president, you know well, first of all, the Republican Party, up until just a few weeks ago, was very, very divided in where the donors were going. They were going to DeSantis, they were you know what I mean. They were going to all the different. So you had money, you know, split up and, you know, diversified across across those, those candidates. Well, now we're down to one, right. So now you've got a funnel as opposed to a colander, you know yeah, right right in every direction.

Speaker 2: 20:26

um, so now the money's going to roll straight towards trump through the republican national party, uh, or national committee and um, and so that the numbers will start to even. But just the simple fact that they literally brought out every big gun they had and he just strolled out there, the big man with the orange hair and his beautiful wife Put his thumbs up did his little dance.

Speaker 1: 20:50

Love his little dance. I love it. I can't help it.

Speaker 2: 20:52

And he doubled him up. He doubled him up. I mean, it's one, it's a record setting, you know, performance. Nobody's done that at a single event before. But I think you know, and the reason that we strung these last two topics together is these are huge indicators that they're that the Democratic Party has fallen behind in this election. Right, they're in trouble. They're panicking about an independent candidate, the impact of an independent candidate trouble. They're panicking about an independent candidate, the impact of an independent candidate right, panicking. And now they've got some. They've got some fundraising issues that are staring them right in the face. Um, so, you know, what do you? You know, you said that you're not a political opponent, but you're a pretty smart lady. I mean, what do you? What are you seeing in the near future? Um, what kind of moves are they going to have to make to try and gain some ground back?

Speaker 1: 21:41

Yeah, well, you know. I mean, you know all of their fight is dirty. You know every. Everything that they do is dirty and underhanded and slimy, honestly I mean. So you're talking about throwing every. You know how many. What was the number of lawsuits thrown at?

Speaker 2: 21:58

Trump, I mean, you know some absurd number.

Speaker 1: 22:01

And we're talking about. You know, I think there's some criminal ones thrown in there, but generally we're talking about civil suits. Civil suits always are about money payouts. So here we go. You know, here we are with that.

Speaker 1: 22:13

That's been a constant that they're trying to, you know, bankrupt him so he has no money. What are they freaking out with RFK? Or what were they not freaking about? Freaking out about Eh, whatever, he doesn't have any money, he'll burn himself out. Oh, oh, he's got money. You know, now we've got to really pull out all the stops and go crazy. So you know what are they going to do next? Crazy. So you know, what are they going to do next? I don't know. I really don't know, but I know it will be dirty, that that I would almost guarantee to you. That you know, they, they will, they will do underhanded things. What is it going to be? I don't know. Somebody smarter than me is going to have to tell us in the, in the comments, and maybe you've got some ideas, but that's the only thing I can come up with, cause what could they do at this point? I mean, they're losing ground everywhere.

Speaker 2: 23:03

Yeah, I think it's a it's. They're not there yet but they're getting very close to, like, the big move. Like I, I know that that you know the. The strategy is revolved around a couple of things and you touched on this earlier. Right, vice president Harris, is she's a boat anchor? Right she's. She is part of the problem. In fact, she's a pretty significant part of the problem. The other part of the problem is president Biden's age, right, and how long are they going to ride? Both of those you know I mean we're talking like these are mafia concrete loafers, right? I mean those two things alone are dragging them down and I think you know there's going to come a point and I'm sure they have a decision point set up and they know when it's going to be. But at one point they're going to have to act on one of those two things. And the question is what? And I think they have to cut her away. They can't continue to move forward with this campaign the way it is, with her as the vice presidential candidate.

Speaker 2: 24:04

It's, it's death like it is the end yeah, I'm not saying that cutting her is going to fix it right, but keeping her is certainly making things worse. So they're going to have to make a major move of some kind to to turn this thing around, because it's it's on a downward spiral.

Speaker 1: 24:23

Who, at this point, could they they position To to fit that I mean we.

Speaker 2: 24:29

I think you know we've already seen.

Speaker 1: 24:31

Yeah, I mean, we've already seen the attempts. You know the, the potential floating of Newsom, which seems to have completely just vanished, from what I can tell. Obviously, michelle Obama, that seems to be completely out of the, the realm of possibilities. Who is there? Do they have anybody else as as people floating around as front runners, potentials.

Speaker 2: 24:54

I'd have to dig, but I would bet my guess would be they would go with youth. They would go with a youthful candidate, knowing that the president is not right. So I got to balance him and it's not going to. I don't think like they're not going to go with a younger, younger version of Kamala Harris, but that's not working. So it's probably going to be a young male right Would be my guess. I don't know who that would be, I'd have to do some research, but that you mean it wouldn't be AOC.

Speaker 1: 25:27

I mean, she seems really perfect.

Speaker 2: 25:30

She's just as dumb or dumber than Harris.

Speaker 1: 25:32

Like yeah, she's just an idiot you know what ticket I'd love to see them run. I'd love to see a AOC Fetterman ticket. I think that would be just a really fun show to watch.

Speaker 2: 25:46

Listen, we're going to talk about it. Actually, we can talk about him now. We've already hit this. You know that the Democratic Party is in dire straits. And Fetterman again. And listen, I was the biggest. You know this, I was the biggest Fetterman hater when he got elected. I could not believe that that happened, because he was such an idiot as a Lieutenant governor here in Pennsylvania, and then the strokes and the shorts and all that crap. But what did he say this week?

Speaker 2: 26:16

Man's gone rogue again. He's gone rogue. He's gone against the party again. Squatters have no rights. Yes, right, yeah, he said. Nobody with any common sense can believe that this is okay. And he's right, yeah, he's 100% right, he's just speaking facts.

Speaker 1: 26:34

He's been doing this quite a bit lately. He's just. He's just like he's been doing this quite a bit lately. So this is just another another round of John Fetterman saying intelligent things like that.

Speaker 2: 26:46

Last stroke must have done something good, must have jolted something right in his brain Now before we get deep into this squatters rights, because we are going to talk about this the one thing that I will continue to say about Fetterman is he says a lot of things out loud that people love to hear. He votes how the party tells him to vote.

Speaker 1: 27:01

Yes, yes, and you have said that in the past, and I think that is really, really important to remember because we meaning collectively, people tend to just look at the surface, those kind of statements and go he's okay, and you know. You got to look a little bit deeper and I'm glad you pointed that out because that is an important thing to remember.

Speaker 2: 27:23

Yeah, so this, this thing with the squatters is, it's a, it's a nationwide problem. Right, this is happening everywhere, um, coast to coast, right, and and all over the place, and really probably people are aware. But you know, the bottom line is these are the results of a couple of things. Right, squatters are occupying houses while people are away. Right, they're out of town, they're on vacation, a house is being bought or sold. Right, you know, it's on the market, squatter moves in. You've got people who have multiple houses, right, maybe a winter house in Florida and a summer house up North or something like that, and that you know, the squatters figure out that it's not occupied and it's not being watched and they break in and they move in. So those are kind of the norms.

Speaker 2: 28:15

But what's happening with this is, in a lot of these states they have established laws where, if you can provide proof of residency, which squatter breaks into a house?

Speaker 2: 28:31

They need power care. They're not checking leases. They're not, you know, and even if they can check a lease, they'll forge a lease anyway, but leases or property taxes or any of that stuff, and they just say, hey, I need somebody to come pick up my trash. Where are you at, I'm at, uh, you know, you know one, two, three around the corner street, whatever it is, and and the trash company goes, okay, and you know, and they bill them and so they get trash pickup. Well, now they've got proof that they live there, their name on a bill at that address, and now they've, now they're anchored, and so people are coming home or coming back or, you know, going to their other house or whatever it is, and they're finding people have moved in like whole families or multiple families or like a bunch of homeless people have moved in and taken over their home and they have, in a lot of these cases, no legal recourse none.

Speaker 1: 29:36

I just cannot get my brain around how something like that could possibly happen and be allowed and and for nobody to go. Oops, I think we got to fix this. This is a little bit of a problem. There's a little bit of a law language mistake we've made here. Let's hurry up and fix that.

Speaker 1: 29:51

And obviously that's not the case, because here we are with instance after instance of these things happen and there's a uh, just for one of the many, many, many, many examples, a, a New York city owner of a $1.1 million house, was torched by squatters. And you see that I'm like, are you kidding me? And this poor guy and he's, you know, I mean, it's just insane Like there's nothing he could do, nothing he could do. And he said somewhere in the article and I didn't, I didn't save that part of it, but I know, somewhere in the article he said, you know, he couldn't even he was afraid to actually go there because there was multiple, multiple people living there and squatting there. And he said, you know, I don't, I can't. You know people are telling me, oh, go in there. And you know, kick them out. And you know, do it.

Speaker 1: 30:40

Old school style probably is probably with the low key messages and he's like I don't know if these people have firearms, I don't know. You know how violent they are. Like I can't, I can't, I can't, go to my home, my one point one million dollar home, and get these people the hell out of there. And they torched the place. And you know, now the squatters will probably get the insurance claim money, right, I mean, how about that? For a kicker, you know, could you even be surprised if that?

Speaker 2: 31:09

happens. This is, this is third world stuff. I mean, I can tell you. You know, I was in Baghdad 2009, right? So, six years after the initial invasion, right and truthfully, as the United States invaded and then in the days following, there was a lot of people, a lot of wealthy people, that fled Baghdad because they had the meaning to do so, right.

Speaker 2: 31:33

And then, of course, there are a lot of people who were displaced because of the war, for a lot of reasons. Well, all the rich people that left, they left these big, beautiful houses, right, a lot of stone, a lot of marble, a lot of mirrored windows, air conditioning, all that stuff. And you know what happened? Squatters, of course, all over the place. And in the time frame that I was there, people started to come back. There were a lot of these wealthy people that were starting to come back because things were fairly stable. We had reached a new security agreement with the Iraqis. We were turning it back over to them. The Americans were starting to pack their stuff up and downsize and go home. So there were a lot of indicators to these people that it was okay to start coming back to Iraq.

Speaker 2: 32:15

Well, they came home and their houses are occupied. They've been gone for five, four, five, six years. Their houses are occupied by these people. Right, and they would. They would come to the Iraqi police and say, hey, I got. So, you know, iraqi police, look at him and go. What do you want me to do, which is what our police are doing right now, because they're powerless. Right, the legal loopholes that are established to let these people retain these residences. It's insanity that, commonsensically, like you, said that people don't look at this and go. We got to fix this.

Speaker 1: 32:49

Yeah, yeah. Who in their right mind sits there and says, oh OK, so you've been paying your mortgage, this is your home, You're on the deed, the lease, whatever the case, is your furniture, your everything, your family photos on the walls Like who? What kind of piece of garbage sat there and wrote that out? And it's not just one state or one city, Like you said. This is across the country, that this is something that people thought was okay. And you know I mentioned something about old school justice, old school rules.

Speaker 2: 33:36

I got to tell you so there's a guy who does, and I think he, I think it's California, I'm pretty sure it's California. So he's a guy who does home renovation work.

Speaker 2: 33:47

So, he has found a method, a technique, basically that there that he's now being paid to do where he shows up, knocks on the door. He's like hey, I've been hired to do where he shows up, knocks the door. He's like hey, I've been hired to do renovation work here. Everybody's got to leave because I'm about we're going respirators, we're tearing stuff out, like this place is about the end and it's a bunch of construction guys, right, yeah, so they roll in there and they roll in there like they own the place. And now you've got all these squatters are like, ah and, and they start knocking out drywall and they start and they just start working and it forces the squatters out and as soon as they're out they lock the door and they call the owner and go.

Speaker 2: 34:23

It's clear where you're gonna have to pay, you know, and but so they do that and so that guy's been it. I think that's it sounds like when you read it. That's kind of what they're doing is they're just forcing them out. Um, because as soon as the, the key is to get them to physically leave the house.

Speaker 1: 34:40

Yeah, that's the. That's the catch, obviously, and they obviously know this. So I'm assuming what they do is they always have someone in the house. So if somebody has to go to the store, or well, they're certainly not going to work, but if they have to go and do whatever it is that they do, they always have somebody staying in the house. That's that's their. That's their in, obviously. Yeah, ok.

Speaker 2: 35:02

Yeah. So this guy figured out a way to shoo him out of there and it sounds like he's essentially putting, putting their health at risk, at least for a short period of time, to get him out of there. You know, good on him, yes, but whatever. Whatever works, because again, nobody's getting help from the police on this. And I'm works because, again, nobody's getting help from the police on this, and I'm not, and I'm not, blaming the police.

Speaker 2: 35:25

This is another one of those situations where they're putting a really bad situation because the legal statute, whatever it is, you know that it's been, you know, established that they have a right to be there. And what are the cops supposed to do? Like you said, right, the the old school violence thing. And that's where it gets tricky. Because, listen, I'm that guy, I, I, I, I have no, no qualms about this. There would be a discussion, there would be a much louder discussion, there would be a threat and then there would be violence. And I'm sorry, but that's my house, it's my possession, I've worked for it, I've invested in it, it's mine and you can, you can get, you can go out on your feet or you can go out on a stretcher.

Speaker 1: 35:59

Take, your pick. I don't care. You take your pick, buddy. Whichever one you want is fine, right yeah?

Speaker 2: 36:04

But then the problem becomes truthfully, I've now put myself at legal risk, right, you know, in a lot of states, you know, maybe you've got castle doctrine, right, when you can protect, you know you can protect your castle, a man can protect his castle. So you've got that. But you've now walked in on them in a state where they may have legal right to be there, your castle or not. So now it's all very much up in the air. But as much as the old school inclination to physically remove them is the right answer, in a lot of cases you're also probably going to end up in jail, Right, right, as sad as that sounds, unless you've got like an old school sheriff who's like.

Speaker 2: 36:46

Yeah yeah, you need to be in, like I don't know, you know.

Speaker 1: 36:49

Yeah, yeah, you need to be in Florida for that to happen, maybe Texas, I'm not sure. But yeah, you need to be in some of those, some of those states in order to get your rights back there. So the gist of it is you can't, as the homeowner, you can't physically get them out of your home, as we all would like to do in the ways that you described. You can trick them out. No-transcript. I'm not that big of a person, clay, I'm just not. I'm just, I'm just not. I.

Speaker 1: 37:34

I pray to God we never have to find out what I would do in that situation, because I can just talking about it, I feel my blood pressure going up, like just the very idea of it, like it's getting me fighting mad.

Speaker 2: 37:50

Oh, you know why? Cause you worked your ass off that you and your husband to buy that house, to be in that house. You know, like that's you know, I don't, we didn't, you and I don't do the free thing right, like that's not how this works. We, we've learned everything that we've been given. And for somebody to just walk in and be like that's mine now, like yeah, we're going to have I'm hands, like this is not going to turn out well.

Speaker 1: 38:12

Yeah, absolutely. You know, I always think of when I have any kind of conversation along these lines. I always remember and I don't know if you'll remember this show, or listeners or watchers, if you guys remember the show, but back in like the 80s there was a show Whatever you guys remember Family Ties, michael J Fox, you know all the other actors, justine Bateman, blah, blah, blah. And there was a scene and I don't know why this well, I guess I do know why there was one scene in one episode that has stuck with me all these years we're going back like 30 plus years and it's a scene bear with me, guys where Michael J Fox takes his little brother to like kindergarten and all the kids are the teacher, has them put on like these little signs around their neck that says, like I like to share, I'm a good friend, and all of these you know cute little sayings.

Speaker 1: 39:00

And if you remember Michael J Fox's character, alex P Keaton was a conservative and and he sees all these signs and he's like what the heck is this nonsense? And he puts a sign around his little brother's neck that says I know what's mine and that has been my life motto. I swear to you, I have said that so many times over the years, and in just that way that I know what's mine and if you want it, you're going to have to come and get it and it's not going to be fun for you. So, yeah, I always think of that and this reminded me of that, that if something like that happened, um, yeah, it would be like I'd be taking my earrings off and putting my hair up in that ponytail, flicking off my fake nails Listen you?

Speaker 2: 39:49

and I, you and and I as much as we say this, this is about protecting who you are and your, your personal we're. We're not about, we're not above or we're not saying not to try and take care of other human beings.

Speaker 2: 40:01

That's not what this is about, right valid point I know you, I know me, I mean you know you're you super christian lady. I know that you you put in your time and you know donate and I and and donate time and donate money. You put in your time and you know donate and and and donate time and donate money. You know it's all part of you know your, your time in the church and all that stuff. And that's not what this is about. This is about people doing the wrong, the wrong thing, the wrong way, right.

Speaker 1: 40:24

And getting rewarded.

Speaker 2: 40:26

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 40:26

Right, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 40:28

That's not how America works, sorry.

Speaker 1: 40:29

No, no, absolutely not. And FYI, as part of that, florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed into law Wednesday the property rights bill, which aims to help homeowners remove squatters more quickly. So yay. Florida, yay Florida.

Speaker 2: 40:45

Gotta love it, Gotta love it, and on the flip side you've got California right California, oh my goodness.

Speaker 1: 40:53

You can't stay out of the news side. You've got California, right California, oh my goodness. Sal can't stay out of the news, can you, jeez?

Speaker 2: 40:59

I'm convinced now that San Francisco is the future, if not current, headquarters for, you know, the US Communist Party. I just it's everything that happens there continues to go that direction. So I caught this this morning and kind of alerted Elsa to this and she, she, she shook her head when she read it. But so the city council Right, we'll keep this. Basic terms. Right, city Council, san Francisco.

Speaker 2: 41:25

One of the members is floating a bill that grocery stores, because what they're trying to avoid and it's already happening is they're trying to avoid and it's already happening is they're trying to avoid these food deserts, right, in these really really bad not even really bad neighborhoods, just most of the city, right, so if everybody's not tracking CVS, walgreens, all the pharmacy companies are closing down and are pulling out of San Francisco because of the high crime rate. Right, grocery stores are starting to do the same thing. Whole Foods had a store that was open for less than a year, literally came in, set up an entire grocery store in less than a year, shut it down and back back out. Right, and fast food places are now starting to go out of business. Oh, by the way, that $20 an hour minimum wage isn't helping things. So, right. All of this is going on, so this bill that's being floated by a member of the city council is actually a resurrected bill or resurrected version of a bill from 1984.

Speaker 1: 42:23

Right, right, that's right, and that got shot down. Yep, right. But do you know who the mayor was?

Speaker 2: 42:28

No, diane Feinstein. Oh, okay, she vetoed it, ok, ok. So this is a resurrected version of that bill which says any grocery store that is going to shut down, close in San Francisco, has to one, make it public knowledge with you know, six months, give everybody notice, at least six months notice that they're shutting down. They also have a responsibility to help replace their own business with another. They have to.

Speaker 2: 43:02

So if you're the grocery store owner and you're shutting down the grocery store, you have to put forth an effort while you're trying not to go broke yeah, just mind the replacement To convince some other business owner to take on the mess that you are leaving. Right, right, you have an obligation, right. And if you don't do those two things and there's some stipulations in there, like if you're, um, if you're closing because you're, uh, there's a, I think there's a certain profit level, like if you're, if you're losing money, or you lose money after so many months or so many years, you don't have to follow all these stipulations. But at the base of it is you have to give notice and you have to try and convince somebody else to replace you. And if you don't do those two things, you can be sued by anybody in the area.

Speaker 2: 43:52

Who in the world? Even if you could, now that this bill is in place, like, say, I'm going out of business, right, I'm a grocery store owner. And I say, hey, elsa, you're, you know, you own a chain of 17 grocery stores. How about you put one where I'm at right now?

Speaker 1: 44:05

Right, and I'm going to say well, how come you're?

Speaker 2: 44:06

leaving. What's going on, friend?

Speaker 1: 44:07

That's the first thing that you're going to say, and then the second thing you're leaving. What's going on, friend?

Speaker 2: 44:10

that's the first thing that you're going to say. And then the second thing you're going to say is well, if I take over for you, and then crime affects me and I'm closing for the same reason, you're closing. Now. I've got to convince some other idiot to backfill me when I couldn't even backfill you. Nobody's going to take that on. No, but no no.

Speaker 1: 44:29

So now, now they've created the next new problem, which is that you're not going to get any of these major companies, corporations, to put their stores in there. So so good luck. Now, which leads me to a thought and a question of is that also a deliberate move? Now, you said this whole, you know, socialist party movement. Well, we can't get any stores to come in, so we'll take care of you in our special store, yeah, and there you have it.

Speaker 1: 45:00

And there's the ultimate plan, wow, which you saw already and I just finally caught on to. By the way, I just I just caught on. Now. You guys all just saw it happen Semi-live. I caught on, wow, wow, I'm a little bit speechless right now, clay, but that is so and I've used this term before brilliantly diabolical.

Speaker 2: 45:27

Yeah, this is. It's about dependency, right? So that's what this. That's what this bill does very sneakily. Right, it sounds like it's on behalf of the residents of San Francisco. It sounds like it's on trying to protect them from these food deserts. It sounds like it's it's all trying to take care of them, when, in reality, what it is about is breeding and continuing to grow dependency dependency of government, because that is who is going to grow. Dependency of the government, because that is who is going to replace these grocery stores. Right, they are going to be state or city owned grocery store. Why? Because they can lose money. The state loses. Oh, by the way, governor Newsom's in a little bit of a pickle right now himself, because he went from like a hundred million dollar, um surplus or something like I think it was a hundred and something million dollar surplus three years ago to now the state's in a deficit in their budget in three years. Um, yeah, so, but? But with the state-owned stores, they can lose money and write it off, right, right, they?

Speaker 1: 46:30

can lose money and it's and it's Right, they can lose money and it's, and it's no big deal.

Speaker 2: 46:33

That store can stay open. People can steal from it all day long, all of those things, and it's not going to matter because the rest of the state of California is going to pay for it. Yep, so they can do that, right. Whoever it is, and I, you know, you could throw out whatever, and I don't even know who's out in San Francisco, but they're going to close down and they're going to leave.

Speaker 1: 46:54

Yeah, oh, there's no question about it and they're not coming back.

Speaker 2: 46:57

Yeah, and you're going to see the establishment of state or city owned grocery stores and pharmacies.

Speaker 1: 47:19

That's what you're going to see, and here it is. These are the same people that are pushing for the um banning of gas vehicles by 2035, or something you know. So they are. They are leading the way. They're leading the way down the path of destruction, for sure. And um, whoa, whoa is anyone who stays there. If you can afford to get out of there, man, oh man, you better do it, because um pack it up and go home.

Speaker 2: 47:36

Yes, go wherever, I don't care. Get out of that place.

Speaker 1: 47:39

It's the best thing anywhere but there, and I'll tell you what, and I genuinely, sincerely even though I I get so angry that people are oblivious and they choose to be oblivious and ignore all of the things that are happening. That makes me angry, but at the same time, the compassionate side of me feels sad and worried for them, because the rest of us, who have our eyes open, who are paying attention, we're going to be prepared, you know what I mean. We're going to be fine better than fine, actually and they're really going to have an incredibly hard time down the road if we keep going on this trajectory, if things keep going this way. So, oh man, oh man all right, let's go.

Speaker 2: 48:26

Let's go, a little bit global let's go. We've been all domestic, we've been all domestic this entire, this entire episode. Let's do a little bit of a little bit of global politics for those of you that didn't see this. Um dr phil truthfully, I'm not a not a fan of same. He's got that. What do they call? He's got an ick factor for me. I don't know exactly what that means, but it's like he's got a big factor.

Speaker 1: 48:49

No you, you nailed it.

Speaker 2: 48:51

Yeah, anyway, so he he had on um son of one of the co-founders of Hamas on his show. Right, Um Yusuf is his last name.

Speaker 1: 49:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah, his dad was.

Speaker 2: 49:08

Sheikh. Yeah, yeah, his dad was Sheikh Yusuf, one of the two co-founders of Hamas. Now, this guy who's in and about my age, give or take a little bit our age he in 1990s now. He grew up surrounded by this and in 1997, he walked away, walked away, walked out of you know whatever occupied territory he was in at the time and he went to the Israelis and he said, hey, let me tell you what's going on over there. And oh, by the way, I'm here to work for you guys. And he played double agent for years, years, sat there, was inside of Hamas, reported back to the Israelis, he kept them apprised of what was going on and he got on the Dr Phil show and Dr Phil invited some Palestinian supporting Americans, some students, some college students, ate them alive.

Speaker 1: 50:12

It was incredible to watch. Yes, we'll, we'll throw in a clip here for you guys. Yeah, he, it was a, it was a no mercy and they were, I think they were like deer in headlight. They, they couldn't even, they could barely even respond. Right, it was. You know, this guy, this guy is coming from. You know, these are, these are some pampered college students, you know, coddled, pampered USA college students. And here's a guy who, who lived it, his father was, you know, co-founder of Hamas, I mean, and he's telling him what he called him. He called him useful idiots. Yeah, he did not. You know, he didn't hold back and uh, yeah, his story alone. So let's go back for a second now. His story alone is so wild and so incredible and I would. If there is a book out about that, I need to read it, because that is the stuff movies are made out of, right? I mean, if there isn't even a movie about his life, I don't even know why there wouldn't be one, because that's movie worthy, epic worthy yeah, I've never heard of.

Speaker 2: 51:21

I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I've never heard of active espionage against a terrorist organization like to that extent, like that. There is no. I a hard time believing. Even with all the educated people that study this for a living, that have been living, no one has personal, firsthand experience and can speak with such authority, more so than this guy. He looked at those kids and he said you have no idea what you're supporting. And then he laid it out for him. Let me tell you what you're supporting. This is what this is. There is no solution. There is no. All they want is the destruction of Israel. There is no in between. And he laid it all out for him and they were essentially speechless. They tried to tell him that he was repeating colonial rhetoric and at that point he's like that's where I think, if I remember right, I think that's where the useful idiots statement came from. Yeah, you know he's like listen, you can espouse whatever you want. You have no clue what you're talking about, you know. Yeah, can you imagine?

Speaker 1: 52:28

being that I mean honestly. Like I said, can you imagine being that much of an idiot to actually think that you can come up with a sound, intelligent argument over somebody who has, like you said, lived firsthand, has active Historical, personal historical knowledge and experience in this and you're just some dumb kid you know, who probably hasn't even left the country once ever? You know?

Speaker 2: 52:56

Well, it's that. It's that level of arrogance, right it is, you know? Oh well, I, I, I read about this, I study this, I watched the news. You know it's that. I know what's going on over there. I know, I know that this person's lying and Trump is this and Biden's this, and you know Netanyahu and this, and blah, blah, blah. And they don't know, jack, because it's all third hand, Every bit of it's third hand.

Speaker 2: 53:20

And that guy is living, it lived it for years, stood right in the middle of it, like you said, and but it's that arrogance, that level of arrogance from those kids which is baffling to me, that they would have the guts to say that to his face. Oh, you're just doing this, oh, you're just saying that. No, that's not how this works. I applaud the guy for getting on there. He's one of those people and you know this, right, because we've talked about the most dangerous job in the world. That guy, right there, is living a life where he is looking over both shoulders 15 times, between his front door and his car in the driveway yeah, there's, there's no, no question about it.

Speaker 1: 54:00

I mean that that he's made it this long is um is amazing, really. He's.

Speaker 2: 54:06

It really is not even a mafia snitch like right, like you know. A mafia snitch, like eventually they're gonna get you, you know, you kind of know it's coming and you you do what you can't like that guy. If they get a hold of him they're literally gonna tear him apart, like yes that is yeah, and they're gonna horrible life to live.

Speaker 1: 54:24

It's not gonna be quick, it's not gonna be pretty, they will make it really really bad and obviously nobody knows that better than him. So yeah, he gets a tremendous credit and gratitude for for doing what he's doing, because it's at his own expense. It really is in every possible way, and you know it doesn't benefit him. None of this benefits him in any way, you know so.

Speaker 2: 54:49

but but you know what? Have you ever seen him before?

Speaker 1: 54:53

I never have. I never have.

Speaker 2: 54:55

You've never seen him. You've never seen him on CNN. You've never seen him on MSNBC Most of the mainstream. I'm surprised Dr Phil had him on, but I think Dr Phil is kind of the new Oprah and he's got a little swag so he can, he can get people like that, but you're never going to see that guy on ABC night nightly news, right, you're not going to get that. You know, um, that. You know 60 minutes interview. He's not doing that. Why? Because he's not the message. That is not the message that they want all over the television right now. Right, you know where he should be. He should be sitting in the secretary of state's office. That's where, as a, as a, let me tell you what's going on over there. Oh, by the way, relay this to your idiot president, who doesn't know what's going on either, like that's the guy that they need to be talking to.

Speaker 1: 55:39

Yeah Well, if a couple of things happen one, he manages to stay alive and two, Trump gets an office, I'm sure that's where he'll be next.

Speaker 2: 55:51

Yeah, there's definitely some employment opportunities for that guy oh, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 55:56

Any smart cia director is like hey, come here, come here yeah exactly, yeah, oh man, I'm so excited when we you know, when we have more than our normal number of topics, that we're able to get through them all. I always get a little bit nervous like, oh my gosh, what if we have to cut something, Cause they're all so, so great? But uh, I'm excited to say we did it, Like not that anybody was hoping. We wouldn't know why I got childish about it, but anyhow, you guys all know what I'm going to say by now. You know I'm going to ask you to to join us in the comment section. Talk to us, let us know what you think about the topics. Uh, give us your opinions. You guys have been amazing in the comment section and we're so grateful. Um, so, we thank you for joining us and for engaging in the conversation and, um, we just boy oh boy, we just enjoy it so much, Don't we Clay.

Speaker 2: 56:51

Yeah, I swear, my Thursday nights when the video drops, it looks like a national command center. I got multiple TVs and my laptop and my phone all going and I'm watching it. It's on like three or four different platforms, trying to keep up with it all. It's pretty awesome, though, to get all that feedback and interaction with everybody that's listening and watching, so we super appreciate it. I know we both love it, so please keep tuning in, keep listening and, again, you can find us both on the socials, so please do.

Speaker 1: 57:20

Absolutely All right guys. Thank you so much, Clay. Give them the closing, my favorite closeout.

Speaker 2: 57:25

As always for me keep moving, keep shooting.

Speaker 1: 57:28

I love it. All right, guys, we'll see you in the next one, take care.