The Fallout: Trump's Assassination Attempt and the Future of American Politics

How does an attempted assassination reshape the political landscape and influence the future of a nation? In this gripping episode, we navigate the profound implications and emotional aftermath of the shocking attempt on former President Donald J. Trump's life. Steering clear of speculation and sensationalism, we demand accountability and thorough investigation into the security failures, emphasizing the importance of facts over conjecture. We share a poignant, iconic photo from the incident and offer a respectful, thoughtful analysis of what this means for the country's future.

The episode takes a fascinating turn as we explore JD Vance's potential as Trump's vice-presidential pick. We dig into Vance's journey from a staunch critic to a staunch supporter, highlighting his working-class appeal and youth as potential assets for the ticket. We weigh the benefits of his articulate and intelligent nature against the challenges of party unity and optics, providing a nuanced look at what Vance brings to the table. Additionally, we scrutinize the media's reaction to the assassination attempt, exposing the troubling shift from initial caution to victim-blaming narratives.

From dissecting political violence and partisan responses to examining the Democratic Party's current challenges, we cover it all. We discuss the broader implications of political rhetoric and the global perception of U.S. political instability. As we reflect on these critical issues, we encourage our listeners to engage and share their thoughts, ensuring this important conversation continues. Join us for an episode that promises a deep and thoughtful dive into the complex and ever-evolving political landscape.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

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Speaker 2: 0:18

Hey everybody, we have got obviously a special show for you tonight. Usually we do what? Maybe half a dozen topics or so. We've got one main topic, but we're doing it a little bit different. At least I like to think we are from everybody else. Clay, say hello quick, and then we'll shoot over to do our little promo thingy.

Speaker 1: 0:38

Hey everybody. It's an important show this week, Lots, lots going on. You guys can probably already guess the topic, but maybe not the angle.

Speaker 2: 1:06

So let's get started. Holy moly. So everybody has been talking about surprise, surprise, surprise the attempted assassination of former and potentially very likely future president Donald J Trump, and Clay and I have talked at length about this, how we wanted to approach this, and it was kind of important to us to do a couple of different things. One, to be respectful of our viewers. We know that you have been really inundated with the video and I think, particularly for people who witnessed it live I did not see it happen live, I saw it after the fact it's traumatizing for people and I know so many of us are like, really really desensitized to so many things, but for other people it's traumatizing and I think we've all seen the video enough times, right? So we kind of agreed that if you want to see the video, it's all over the place, you can watch it anywhere. We're not going to use the video. What we're focusing on tonight really is the what's next, what happens now, the aftermath right, clay.

Speaker 1: 2:12

Yeah, so we're not going to show the video, like Elsa said. We're also not going to talk about the Secret Service and whatever happened, whether it was negligence, willful misconduct, conspiracy, whatever your jam is right now on how all of that happened. We're not going to dig into that either, because, again, it's been beaten to death. Mainstream media, social media, it's all that stuff is all over the place. If that's what you're looking for, you got plenty of places to find it, but it's not going to be here.

Speaker 2: 2:38

So and yeah, and really, and so much of it right now and for the very near foreseeable future is speculation.

Speaker 2: 2:45

So, you know, I and I I think you and I are alike in this we are facts oriented, we like our facts, we like to have all the information.

Speaker 2: 2:54

I, I am guilty, I, you know, for the sake of not being too much of a hypocrite, I am guilty of rushing that information out the day that that happened, and I was, you know, putting out information as I was seeing it and sharing it over. And then there was, you know, there was misinformation involved in that, and I was very mad at myself for doing that, because I was part of the rush to get the story out there, to tell everybody what's going on, and shame on me for that. So I'm doing my walk of shame here for that, um, you know. So I don't like, you know, I don't like doing that and I'm a little disappointed that I kind of jumped in and and just wanted to get the news out there and, uh, went with the sensationalism and not necessarily facts. So, yes, I'm throwing myself on the sword, I am Um, but I messaged you like are you watching this?

Speaker 1: 3:43

You know, and and you know very quickly, like you you were the first person I saw that reposted that now very, very famous photo behind them and the blood on his face yeah, fist in the air that.

Speaker 2: 3:57

Yes, I am going to show. I am going to show that picture because I really feel that it's iconic and that is a Pulitzer Prize. It is Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 4:07

I mean that is a hundred percent. But you sent that to me. You're like holy, not so Christian, and so you know. So you and I have been on this since, since it happened. But I know a lot of people reached out to me and said, you know, hey, are you watching this? What do you, what do you think what is going on? You know friends, family members and that kind of stuff, and you know it's the thing that I always say is the first report's always wrong, right, and this was no different, right. You know, I saw immediately afterwards, you probably saw too there was a. You know, it was this Antifa guy, right, yes, first, this Antifa guy, right, they're like this is the guy.

Speaker 2: 4:42

Yes, that was the first one that was the first one who's gone, disappeared.

Speaker 1: 4:47

So all right, we're delving into the stuff we said we weren't going to talk about. So we're not going to talk about it.

Speaker 2: 4:50

Yeah, I think you know. I guess, for the sake of context, I guess we will have to put in little bits and pieces here and everything about that and I hope and pray that that is fully investigated and the proper things that need to happen happen. And I don't know what that means, what that will mean. Certainly questions there, a lot of questions, really, right, and there's going to be time for that and you know, maybe you know next week we will be able to address that a little bit more.

Speaker 1: 5:43

But I think Clay and I are on the same page that we'd like of DOJ and skeptical of all of those agencies and organizations, about being able to internally conduct investigations. I can tell you with confidence that this election, everybody involved with that, to include the director of the Secret Service will be if she hasn't left by then will be out of a job. So and that's not vindictive, that is.

Speaker 2: 6:11

No, that's just kind of a matter of course. That will not be.

Speaker 1: 6:15

Trump, you know, taking it out on her as justified as he would be.

Speaker 2: 6:21

Yeah, I mean, you're the top of the chain, You're the top of the chain here, and I just saw, minutes before we, um, before we started, uh, I saw that supposedly and again I said we're not going to do speculation stuff, but I this was just moments ago um, that she said something to the effect of that they knew about the proximity of this building and that it was questionable or that it was, you know, not secure, and they didn't do anything with it because it was a sloped roof. Yeah, so you know, I just opened up for more.

Speaker 1: 6:56

She just opened herself up for more criticism and et cetera, and we're going to we're going to get beyond that because we'll get into the minutiae.

Speaker 2: 7:03

Exactly, exactly, so, yeah, so I mean, here we are A couple couple few days later. Rnc is happening right now. Trump made I guess it's unusual for the for him to come out on the first day like that.

Speaker 1: 7:15

I did not realize that was very early appearance, usually the candidate you know at this point I think in modern convention history is a foregone conclusion. I don't think there's. I couldn't tell you. The last time anybody walked into a convention it was like who, who's going to be the candidate when?

Speaker 2: 7:33

do I.

Speaker 1: 7:33

You know like we know all those things now, um, but yeah, he, usually it's like Thursday, thursday they'll show up.

Speaker 2: 7:40

Yes, um, but yeah, and I think he's speaking on Thursday, right, that's the plan, I believe.

Speaker 1: 7:45

Yeah, but I think, you know, in the aftermath of Saturday, and this, you know, kind of, what Elsa and I want to talk about tonight is, you know, how does this affect things going on in both of the parties and specifically in their election and election strategy? But also, what is the impact on us, what's the impact on voters, what's the impact on America as a whole? So, just talking, the RNC. The RNC started, it kicked off yesterday. We record on Tuesday nights for the 50,000th time and so we got.

Speaker 1: 8:19

I know President Trump announced, you know, congressman JD Vance, from, you know, the great state of Midwest Ohio, to be his vice presidential candidate. I personally and I know I'm going to catch a lot of shit for this, but I'm not, I'm not a huge fan. He's not, he's not bad, but I think there could have been a better, there could have been a better ticket. There's nothing against him and his capacity, capability. You know he's a, you know former service members served in the Marine Corps. There's a lot of positives about JD Vance, right, but at the same time, you know when, when everybody keeps talking about uniting, uniting, uniting, and I know that there's a lot of talk about DEI hires right now, but the variation of the ticket is two white guys. You know, maybe not the best optic Right?

Speaker 2: 9:11

Sure, yeah, I get that. And I, you know, I had mixed feelings. I didn't have any. So, funny enough, I didn't really have any big thoughts or opinions on JD Vance beforehand. You know, I know his story. Of course, I looked into him to see what he was all about, just like you do with all the potentials, you know, and I read all of his stuff and I was like, hey, interesting, interesting. A never Trumper to a major Trump supporter, and you know.

Speaker 2: 9:38

So my thinking on this and it's always very cautious because you know, we've seen so many things that look good on paper turn out to be not good. But here's what I think is a really, um, potentially good thing. Well, a couple of things actually. And and, by the way, I agree with you a hundred percent that the optics of the ticket could be better, you know. But then again, the flip side of that is well then, aren't we just playing into this whole DEI thing Like it should be, you know? But then again, the flip side of that is well then, aren't we just playing into this whole DEI thing Like it should be? You know, right, yeah, it's a fair enough argument. I don't know if it's right or not, but it's fair enough to at least contemplate.

Speaker 2: 10:15

But a couple of the things. One, his age, highly, highly appealing 39 years old, years old. This is a big deal because one of the biggest complaints across the country, from both sides, is we're sick and tired of these old white guys. I mean, I know JD Vance is a white guy, but these elderly men running the show, who can you know? Who can expire it's the politest way to put it right at any point in time. So so now we have have okay.

Speaker 2: 10:43

So we've got a young, vibrant, energetic guy, 39 years old. We've got a guy and this, I think, is very big deal in a lot of ways a guy who was a never trumper. He is working class, he speaks the language of the average person. He is the author of hillbilly elegy um, which is now. I have not read it. It's on my list now. Now I'm going to read it and then I'll watch the movie. It works. Got to do the book first. So he's very appealing in that way.

Speaker 2: 11:14

Funny enough that what makes him appealing the whole once a never Trumper, now he is VP pick is the same thing that is making people on the right very wary of him, you know, like is this a ruse? Is he, you know, really like this, a Trojan horse type thing? I don't think that's the case at all. Like, I really don't. And I think the positive that can come from that is that people who are never Trumpers or just simply don't like them, maybe not that extreme.

Speaker 2: 11:45

Maybe they are going to look at JD Vance and go well, this guy really spoke out a lot, very vocal, about his dislike for Trump and you know, he a lot of very unfavorable things to say about him. What changed his mind. And this is where he gets to come in, because he's very articulate, very well spoken. He's going to come and say, well, here's, here's what I saw, you know, here's what changed my mind. You know ABCD and I think he has the potential to change some minds. So I think you know my very long winded way of saying I think this has the potential to be a phenomenal ticket.

Speaker 1: 12:27

Can it go sideways? Of course, yeah, I think he's. It is an attempt to unite the party right, which you know has been a bit of a concern. You know, I think in both parties and we'll talk about the Democrats here in a minute but you know there's a concern about fractures within the party that that could potentially sway the election, so maybe this is an attempt to unite the party. He is younger. He will absolutely destroy Kamala Harris in a vice presidential debate. Destroy her.

Speaker 2: 12:55

She's got to find a way not to do this debate, because-.

Speaker 1: 12:58

She will get wrecked. Listen, I listened to him because there's a lot of people who don't have a frame of reference with this guy because he hasn't been on the net. He's been a little bit on the fringes of the national spotlight, but not directly in it. He wasn't a presidential candidate Right, so we didn't see him in the debates with Vivek and you know, and everybody else, and so you know a lot of people are pulling footage of him from Congress and that's what people are seeing, and I watched him ask some questions about the economy today and the reserve currency system. I was like, holy crap, like this he's, he's good, he's very very smart guy I am.

Speaker 1: 13:40

I am impressed with him. Like I said, I don't have any problems with his qualifications, just the optics of the ticket aren't the best, but regardless, we're moving forward and that you know, right now I think everybody had the same reaction. I know I did. You know I was out grocery shopping when the shots, you know, were fired and you know I said it out loud. I said, well, if they tried to, you know, because it was all first reporting it was like if they tried to kill him and they missed, they just handed in the white house and I think, right, we were all.

Speaker 1: 14:08

I think the general conclusion is, you know that it's sewed up like this it's a done deal. Um, there there's very little room for the Democrats to make any headway in winning the presidential election. Um, so I think that I think, personally, that's why the president just said you know, or president Trump said screw it, I'm just going to tell everybody today, like I don't, I have a feeling his announcement was going to come later and I think that he just said it doesn't matter, you know, we're just going to do it now, and he made the announcement, so changes the format of the convention a little bit, changes the convention format a little bit.

Speaker 1: 14:47

But again, these conventions now are so we've talked about. The Democratic convention is going to be after they name Biden as the nominee because of the state of Ohio and because somebody can't read the calendar. So these are all a formality at this point. So the convention is all you know. It's all talking heads and it's speeches and it's music and and all those things. So, um, yeah, I I think it's a good pick. I don't think it's flustering anything.

Speaker 2: 15:13

I think it could have been a better pick, but you know we're moving forward yeah, yeah, I think you know, let's put it this way um, it's not about thinking one thing or another. For me, it's, it's a hopefulness that this is the ticket, that it could and should be, and that they do exactly what the goal should be. And the goal is to acquire more voters, to win more people over, to change minds, change hearts, change minds, and I think this has a good potential for that. And, as always, it's grab your popcorn and let's wait and see. But now the next word out is that, when Trump has said that he essentially ripped up his planned speech and his changed his whole tactic now, which is leading everyone to believe that there's that this is going to be kind of a I don't want to say kinder gentler Trump, but I think it's going to be a different angle and again, it's going to be that unity. It's time to come together. This is, you know, this is where all the hate and and you know, vitriol from both sides has brought us that a. You know, you know, vitriol from both sides has brought us that a. You know, president, presidential candidate, former president, was shot all over political beliefs, and this has to stop.

Speaker 2: 16:32

And I think that you know, I think, and I hope, I believe that that is going to be a large part of the message that he's going to put out. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I mean, trump is Trump. He's going to do whatever he wants to do, but you know, how does this not change you? You know how does this not change you in some ways? And I think that if there is a small amount, you know, we still want that fist raised tough as nails, trump. I mean. So actually, can we just stop and talk about that for a minute? Can we just talk about that? Can we just stop and talk?

Speaker 1: 17:03

about that for a minute. Can we just talk about that? I think we, I think we should Like, I think you know the the plans for the strategy for the Republicans, I think is very much on a glide path now. I don't. I think you're right, you're going to see a different tact in in President Trump's how he speaks, the words that he uses. But I think that that you know, as we're talking about the good, the bad and the ugly, right, the aftermath of this is the how the media handled it, right. So, if you want to put that up, just just, you were going to, you were going to show something, and I think I, yeah, right, it's iconic, it's the photo.

Speaker 2: 17:36

Yeah, so we've got a couple of pictures here. So right, yep, I mean we're going with that one. We've got this one here. This is just wild to see it. Actually. This one, this one actually makes me choke up a little bit, and this one really gets me to.

Speaker 1: 18:00

This was one in many cases, irresponsible in the fact that we're doing the same Like listen, if you want, let the people on social media do the wrong things right Now. They were being very careful in the words that were being used. I think they were overly cautious in many cases. Cnn actually said that.

Speaker 2: 18:27

President Trump was rushed away by the Secret service after falling at a rally. They said that um, I think someone said after some loud pops or some loud noises were heard security incident was the going right Security incident was one.

Speaker 1: 18:38

It was probably Saturday night late or anybody said the words assassination, attempt or attempted assassination and I understand there's some legalese to that. There's some some caution to be had, but there was not caution in the immediate reaction. You know there was a CNN anchor, you know, when the president got up and he, you know, over the top of the way too short female Secret Service agent. You know, fight, fight, fight. You know immediate criticism by the CNN anchor that said you know that's not the reaction we need right now. He needs to tamp that down. Listen, the guy had been shot less than 20 seconds before that he had been tackled. You know, standing up and listen, lady, if you've never been shot at before, please don't make comments about how people should react immediately, because you don't All right.

Speaker 1: 19:30

So that's, that's one Right. Yeah, absolutely. And then I think it was on Sunday, so I think the day after, you know, george Snuffleupagus and Martha Raddatz, you know, were the some of the first ones to victim blame. You know, they were the first ones to say well, you know, trump and his supporters have added to this, you know, violent rhetoric, because that was the going story at that point was, you know, the Democrats, and especially the president, calling off, you know, president Trump, a threat to democracy. He's going to destroy the country. He's Hitler, right, literally calling him Hitler.

Speaker 2: 20:06

Yes, literally posting memes of him next to Hitler, yeah.

Speaker 1: 20:11

All of those things right. So the media's immediate reaction was piss poor. I mean really bad.

Speaker 2: 20:19

Yeah, it was awful and, like you said, the victim blaming to me was the most horrifying and and just ironic just so, so ironic to me that that was the terminology that they would use. You know the whole concept of victim blaming, the whole thing of basically saying he deserved it. This is the mentality that they have, though. Like they can say something like that because he's Trump who cares about bad orange man. He deserved it, he deserved it. But if somebody could you imagine saying the same type of thing to someone else in a circumstance of life or death or you know critical anything, and say, well, you know, I mean, she deserved it, it's her own fault or it's his own fault. The insanity of that is it's. It's really despicable, is what it?

Speaker 1: 21:15

is. I mean, we, we as a, a group, you know, a nation of grownups, like. We got rid of that, you know, a long time ago, right, you know the victim blaming thing. I, you know, I had the same analogy bouncing around in my head that you had, and, and you know, the. The thing that came to mind was a, you know, a little bit dramatic, but like the, the. There was that movie with Jodie Foster and Kelly McGillis, the, the accused right. There was that movie with Jodie Foster and Kelly McGillis, the Accused right, and that, for a lot of us, right, who are of our age group, right, that was, you know where that whole narrative got destroyed and we all were, like, you know, from then on, I think, the narrative of that was gone.

Speaker 2: 22:01

It did, it did change that whole conversation, that whole conversation was gone, and but this is the same thing.

Speaker 1: 22:07

Like you said, this is victim blaming, right? You know, and this is this is the party of truthfully. They're the ones who you know you shouldn't victim shame and you shouldn't fat shame, and you shouldn't slut shame, and you shouldn't, and you shouldn't, and you shouldn't and you shouldn't, unless it's Donald Trump.

Speaker 2: 22:24

And unless you're a Donald Trump supporter and unless you are anti-vax, you know. Let's not forget that these are the same people. So we shouldn't be surprised, really, because I'm literally just remembering this right now. These are the same people that on social media, with their own picture beside it and their places of work, like all of the things would get on social media and say I hope the hospital turns you away, I hope you die, because you know you refuse to get on this bandwagon and you know, do do what the rest of us are. You're not getting in lockstep and doing what we're doing. So we hope you die and we don't care about you and you deserve whatever happens to you. Like, this is the mentality that you're dealing with and, and I'm sorry, and get in the art, get in the comments and argue with me if you want about it, but I'm sorry, I don't see people on our side and I again, I hate the side thing, but this is where we're at, where we have to, like, pick a side here. Um, I don't see people, I know, in my lane saying things like that to other people.

Speaker 2: 23:28

I don't think as much as I despise right, I don't despise, I mean I I do despise Joe Biden. I think he's a horrible human being. I do not wish ill for him. I'm horrified by how this man is being treated by his own inner circle, by his party, all of it. So there's the distinction you can dislike somebody so deeply and still not wish ill on them. You know, and that's the difference. These people applaud and I've seen the comments and I know you've seen the comments. Um, people literally applauding. I mean, uh, uh, what's his name? Jack Black's a partner there. You know, just basically ended his career. He just ended his career, right?

Speaker 1: 24:15

Let's be honest, If you know, if you even know who Tenacious D is the band, you know that it's Jack Black and another guy.

Speaker 2: 24:23

Right, right Exactly. Don't even know the guy's name.

Speaker 1: 24:26

Right, the other guy made a comment at a concert last night and you know to make a wish that you know.

Speaker 2: 24:33

Next, time they don't miss or something Don't miss next time.

Speaker 1: 24:36

I think he was in Ohio when it happened next time or I think he was in ohio when it happened. Yeah, and jack black came out and was like okay, tenaciously, you know tour canceled all creative. You know endeavors are on hold like this is the end of the end.

Speaker 2: 24:47

That guy just ended himself done ended himself and you know big lesson and think before you speak, you know but the, the reaction is interesting because we finally have.

Speaker 1: 25:00

We've been saying this since George Floyd, we've been saying it since the pandemic and the riots and everything else where all of that violent activity was being downplayed. You remember the? Oh, they're just expressing their frustration. Oh, they're shouting out, they're showing how mad they are. They're shouting out, they're showing how mad they are. The most popular conservative candidate since Reagan, right, since President Reagan just got shot, there has not been a single violent reaction. Not a riot, not a protest. No breaking glass, no breaking into stores, none of that. We now have a tangible comparative in the narratives, right?

Speaker 2: 25:46

What a what a spectacular point that was Clay, Absolutely, A hundred percent. And there lies the difference. And, in fact, what's, what's the message that's coming from? You know, the, the Trump campaign. This is a time for unity, this is a time for toning it down, calming it down and and and I know somebody will jump in the comments and say, well, Biden's saying the same thing by. You know they're, the Biden administration is saying the same thing. We're calling for. You know, all of that to. You know, calm down too. And my answer, my response to that is really because this is where is it? There it is. Oops, sorry, there it is. This is the campaign posters that his people are putting out in Milwaukee. So that doesn't look like toning it down, that looks like ramping it up to me, you know. And, by the way, such a bad idea that does not go back to Kathy Griffin.

Speaker 1: 26:44

Oh my gosh, Eight years ago it was eight years ago Nobody, nobody on the left did anything to stop that, right, no? So I don't want to hear the oh, now we're saying no violence. Now too, right. Well, you're too late, you're too late, you're too late. And, by the way, I've got.

Speaker 2: 27:01

I've got a nice compilation video for y'all of um, quite a few of these people on the left literally calling for violence in this comment multiple times, which begs the question what do you have to say about this?

Speaker 1: 27:16

I I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all of the country. Maybe there will be and this people need to start taking to say about this.

Speaker 2: 27:20

I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all over the country.

Speaker 1: 27:21

Maybe there will be, and this People need to start taking to the streets.

Speaker 2: 27:23

This is a dictator, you know there needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there is unrest in our lives. How about this? Enemies of the state.

Speaker 1: 27:31

Show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite. The terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized.

Speaker 2: 27:39

I thought he should have punched him in the face. I said, even if you lost, he insulted you right. He came down the escalator and called Mexicans rapists and murderers. He said well, what do you think I should have done? I said I think you should have punched him in the face and then gotten out of the race. He would have been a hero. What about all these?

Speaker 1: 27:53

I'd like to punch him in the face.

Speaker 2: 27:55

Punch some people in the face. When was the last time an actor assassinated a president? They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump, and that's a fact. Look as his character is stabbed to death.

Speaker 2: 28:10

Where is John Wilkes Booth when you need him. That's it right there. Perhaps you can justify this one. I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House can see right through it, and for those that can't and refuse to, that's on them. You know I just made a video the other day about this, that you know the comments that I see in my videos, as well as, of course, other people's videos, and just the, the, uh, the sickness, that the mental health crisis is alive and well in the comments section. These people are unhinged with the things that they say, because for anyone to say that, uh, about another human being that you don't even know, you've never met in your life, he's never done anything to affect you personally in any way, um, to wish death on them is, uh, is, is truly a mental illness. You're, you're a sick minded individual and and, uh, you know, god help you because you're going to boil. Boy, oh boy, are you going to need it someday? And uh, oof, you know so.

Speaker 1: 29:23

So the Democrats, though right, you just showed the new poster, right, and that is going up in. I don't think that's, I don't think that's going to follow them to Chicago, although it may, um, but it is go. That is going on in Milwaukee, um, and, and you know so you're getting the normal anticipated protests from, you know, democratic supporters, biden supporters, right, that's to be expected. I haven't seen or heard. I know there was a police involved shooting this morning, but that is, I think, turning out to be a local crime thing. It just happened to be. So they're being. The police in Milwaukee are being augmented, as you can imagine. You know your husband's a cop, right? I think what they did was hey, listen, if you're, if you're, a sworn officer somewhere and you want to make some cash, take some PTO, come to Milwaukee, report here, sign in and we'll put you to work.

Speaker 1: 30:13

So the guy there was a police officer from Ohio, interestingly enough who shot and killed someone in a neighborhood right outside or right in close proximity to the convention, but that it sounds like it's related because it's an out of town cop. It's going to turn out to be more of a criminal, so that I don't think is a big deal, but they do have Chicago coming up in a couple of weeks now. Right, I'll be interested in your take on this, but I, I think, even I think what you're going to hear is less of a push for president Biden to step out of the race, because because I think everybody knows it's a loss.

Speaker 2: 30:57

Yeah, yeah, I I do. I agree with you. I think they are highly, highly demoralized right now. I would imagine that spirits are very, very low. I think this happening made everything concrete for them. And I don't think there's, I don't think there's any salvaging. I mean, first of all, the messaging would have to be entirely different than what they're doing, and they seem to be doubling down on the same messaging. So no change there. That's a problem. No change for the better in Joe's cognitive abilities, no change in Kamala's approval rating. So they got nothing. They have nothing. There's nothing really they can do.

Speaker 2: 31:43

Now. I think the only thing that you know, maybe can and will happen and again it's not going to benefit them at all is if he were to get the, you know, get the official nomination and then step aside, give her the you know what was like 100 million. But again we're facing the same problem she can't debate, she can't do it, she doesn't have the chops, she can't debate Vance, and she certainly can't debate Trump, you know. So what do they got? They got nothing. And I think you know, I think we're all.

Speaker 1: 32:17

I think this is going to turn into a focus on Congress. I think they are going to. You know, you're going to stop hearing the demands for President Biden to step down. I think they're not going to waste any more time or effort on it. I also don't think they're going to pull from the bullpen. The only person they would pull we've already said it's Kamala, but I think even now, for a different reason, Vice President Harris is the only candidate, because they're not going to waste a 2028 viable candidate, which she's not, and they know it.

Speaker 2: 32:51

Right, that makes sense.

Speaker 1: 32:53

They're not going to waste anybody on this election for the president. So I think all the focus from the Democratic Party, all the money from the party and everything else is going to be on trying to hold both houses, because if they don't I mean think about that You've got President Trump, you've got a, you know a 6-3 Supreme Court, and you know. And then if they lose both houses, things are, you know, for four years, at least two years, are we pretty rough? So I think that's where the party is going to go. I think they're going to tell Jill hey, you get your way, he's not going to quit, we're going to let him run, have at it, good luck to you. And then I'm not going to say they're going to abandon him, but I think he's going to be on his own. I think the focus and the money and everything else is going to go towards the congressional candidates who, truthfully, are not faring well.

Speaker 1: 33:44

I think there's another. I saw a thing yesterday One of the members of the squad is losing her primary right now. That would be two. That would be out by a significant number, like 23 percentage points. It's not close, but I'm trying to remember which one it is, but anyway, I can't remember, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 34:06

So I think that's what you're going to see, and I think what you're going to see is a whole lot of empty seats at the convention. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:14

Yeah, I think a lot of people are going to be jumping ship in some regards. I'm not saying they're going to leave their party, but they're going to step back, disassociate a little bit. You know, I don't really want to be pictured and videoed with these losers, you know, and then so that way they can come out, you know, when it's the right time for them to say listen, you know, we weren't part of all that. We weren't like, we didn't agree with them, we agreed with you guys. Or, you know, we have a better idea. We didn't agree with that. We've got a better vision, you know. So there, yeah, I think you're right. I think it's going to be a very, very sad, somber occasion that the mainstream media is going to work very hard to portray differently than what it actually will be. But they are in. They're in dire straits right now.

Speaker 1: 34:59

They're they're in dire straits right now. They're they're kind of toast Watch for it to have a funeral feel. Yeah, yes, that's what it's going to feel like. It is going to feel like a funeral. It's going to be like a send off for president Biden, his last hurrah and that's going to be it, but it's going to be a wake and funeral. That's what it's going to be.

Speaker 2: 35:18

Yeah, I mean, as we know, he cannot get through a single uh uh speech or statement or interview without significant um stumbles and bumbles. He referred to the uh of the um secret service as he oh yeah, I've been in touch. I've been in touch with him.

Speaker 1: 35:38

Oh yeah, he reported to me.

Speaker 2: 35:40

Nope, nope, you haven't.

Speaker 1: 35:43

And so Lester Holt. Lester Holt beat him up again. You didn't see that interview. So none of the indicators, you know. No matter what happens, it's a done deal. I think we've all come to that conclusion. I think that the DNC you know, the party itself has decided the same and I think that they're going to let President Biden run with it. Knowing the outcome and I'm not a heavy duty election fixing conspiracy, you know kind of guy but minus any massive cheating like this is over. The presidential race is done, it's over with.

Speaker 2: 36:23

Yeah, I feel like the only way that they could win this would be by cheating. So, you know, unless they can figure out the way to do it, I mean, they have literally tried every bit of arsenal in their bag, and that was probably not a no pun intended when I say that, but you know, let's face it, obviously that is one of the conspiracy theories out there, that this was an inside job. And you know, again, we're going to, at least in this episode, we're going to stay away from all of that because we just have nothing concrete to tell you on it and nobody does right now, or at least the people that do aren't allowed to speak. So at some point, you know, we'll, we'll have some, some more information on all of that, but right now, again, it's about you know what happens, what happens next, what happens now.

Speaker 2: 37:10

And you know, the the biggest thing is Donald Trump looks like a, like a brave heart. I mean he has been compared to brave heart. Like a brave heart, I mean he has been compared to Braveheart. You know he looks like a warrior, beast mode, amazon animal, and Biden looks like a frail, tired, sad old man. And the visual between the two. And you mentioned earlier what other countries are thinking. You know what they're looking at right now and what their thoughts are.

Speaker 2: 37:39

And my personal opinion if I were Putin, if I were any of these world leaders, and I saw this picture, I saw this picture of a man who was just shot, minutes before, less than minutes, probably I'd be going bro, this guy is a boss and we're not going to play with him, we're not going to mess with him.

Speaker 2: 38:05

You know, I guess, when you think about, like, just that whole scene, what transpired there. So, first of all, the first, most obvious thing is the man was just shot, and, and, and, of course, we can talk very briefly about the milliseconds of a head turn that would have changed the entire course of history right now. So you can call it all the things you want to call it. You can call it a divine intervention, you can call it fate, you can call it like, call it whatever you want. The simple fact is he turned his head just slightly and it, you know, either went through his ear or grazed his ear. I don't know if we really know if it actually like went, you know whatever he looks like a vander holyfield yeah, he does yeah post tyson, he looks like a vander holyfield.

Speaker 1: 38:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah it was.

Speaker 2: 38:52

It was a little gruesome, looking yeah and um. So you know he does this looks, realizes somebody yells obviously it's gotta be like probably Secret Service, among other people Get down, get down, get down, drops down to the ground. They dive bomb on top of him as they well should. And I watched I think it was like a sniper, a former Secret Service guy but I watched some guy on TikTok probably, and he was explaining like the protocol of that and he was like you need to understand the force and velocity at which they dive on top of him, like their whole entire mission. It doesn't matter if they break bones, nobody cares that they knock the wind out of you, it doesn't matter. The purpose is to completely cover him, get him down on the ground and cover him. So they tackled a 78 year old man so hard that his shoes got knocked off and you can hear the audio was exceptional. You could hear him saying they're prepping to get him up. They're like we're ready, let's go, let's go, we're ready. And you can hear him saying where's my?

Speaker 2: 39:59

get my shoes get my shoes, he's like I'm not getting up without my shoes. You know, I had me walk out of here like some feeble old old man. And then so they get it. They're like okay, we're not. Like okay, they get his shoes on him. He stands up, they're trying to move him along and he says wait, wait, wait, wait. And he, you know, gets in there, the iconic photo, and and they're like you know, they're trying to do this, they're trying to buy the little one in front. She's like I don't know what the hell she's doing. It looks like she's giving him a hug.

Speaker 2: 40:29

I got lots to say about that, but I'm gonna let it go for now. Um, all things that the feminists would not like to hear, I can, I'll leave it at that. Right and hell, I'm not leaving at that. What the hell were they thinking? What the hell is a? I'm five, three.

Speaker 2: 40:46

That girl didn't look any taller than me. I've stood next to Trump and big height difference, so I'm pretty sure that woman's about my height. And what? What universe? Would it be a good idea for someone of her stature to cover a man who's like 6'3"? It always changes a little bit his height, but we're going with 6'3" I. You know just nothing else but explain that to me. That makes no sense. But anyhow, anyhow.

Speaker 2: 41:15

So he does this, this iconic move. Of course the left, media, left is like that was a terrible thing to do, not good at all, and I'm sorry. But the rest of us? That just made me want to put on my war paint and go fight somebody. That is the effect that it had and that is what this country needs, that this man, this 78-year-old man who does not have to do this, like he doesn't have to do this.

Speaker 2: 41:42

He was wealthy, he doesn't need this. You know and other people say it was ego needs it. Whatever, I don't really give a shit. You. You are getting beat up day in and day out. They have tried to destroy you financially, they've tried to destroy your reputation and they've, you know damn near well, succeeded in many ways for a certain part of the population. And this guy gets up and he's like bull. I love this country. You're not taking me down, bull. I'm up, I've got the fist raised, we're going to fight, we're going to win. I'm sorry. This is what America needs. We need to see that level of conviction and strength and love for this country.

Speaker 1: 42:25

I don't disagree with you. The problem is that the people who are going to respond to that already are patriots already do love him already. Like this, there's not a lot of people, nobody on the left is jumping the Trump bandwagon because of it. Right, right, you may get some more out of the middle, right, I think, the middle if anybody the middle yeah.

Speaker 1: 42:50

But we are. So the middle is so small right now. Right, we're in our class. I mean, that's what our country looks like. So I don't, unfortunately. I don't think this is like a unifying event, right? Right, the cultural impact of these things is is very hit or miss, right? You know, the cultural impact of President Kennedy getting assassination, assassinated was, you know, beyond, you know, par like literally nothing matches that. The assassination of Martin Luther King is a culture-changing event. Less so, but still impactful. John Lennon, the attempt on President Reagan changed some things. This country passed some gun laws. In the wake of that, that, we turned around and waited for 20 plus years for them to expire because they were so restrictive. But that was the impact of that. I don't feel, unfortunately, that this is going to have a cultural impact on America. I don't think. I don't even think that the political violent rhetoric is going to slow down.

Speaker 1: 44:10

It doesn't seem to be now, and you know we we talked about this, you and I did, before we hit. Record is. You know, even the pendulum has already swung in the opposite direction to where it's gotten. Stupid because when the president, when president Trump, announced JD Vance is his vice presidential candidate, you know the the white house immediately responded as, as we all expected, they.

Speaker 1: 44:32

They had a, you know, a file folder of every likely candidate, all right, here's the speech, right, and they give it to the president and President Biden says all right, let me tell you about JD Vance. And he goes into his spiel and the pendulum has gone in the opposite direction. That the Republicans, the big heads in the Republican Party, are like. I can't believe that, within 48 hours of President Trump getting shot, that you guys are criticizing and attacking his vice presidential candidate. And if you go back and look at President Biden's words, there was no, it was, it was election year stuff and it wasn't.

Speaker 1: 45:08

You know, they didn't call it. It wasn't the stuff they've been doing to Trump for the last 18 months. They didn't call him Hitler. They didn't. You know, it was just a. His policy's not good, he's not uniting, he's not for the middle class. He's going to do this. He's going to say him and President Trump are going to tax the middle class. I'm not going to do that. It was, it was election stuff, right, but the reaction from the Republican Party was well, you can't attack him. The president just got shot.

Speaker 2: 45:31

Yeah, and that's going to be. I think that is going to be their. You know, their clap back, basically, so to speak, their clap back, basically, so to speak. You know that. And now you know, for a little while at least, every time, uh, the Biden says something negative and hostile, you know the, the Republican side is going to be like oh, shame on them. We're, you know, we're all about unity and peace and and compassion, not like those guys. You know that's going to be there, that's going to be their thing. Um, and and until it's not, four years.

Speaker 1: 46:01

That's going to be their thing, and until it's not basically Four years from now the next election, it's going to be the same. You're not going to have the cultural there's no cultural impact. I don't foresee coming out of this event other than a Kennedy 9-11, pearl Harbor type thing, like everybody's going to remember where they were.

Speaker 2: 46:18

Right.

Speaker 1: 46:18

Right, because you now have a generation of adults who were born after 9-11. Let that sink in for a minute, right? No no, thank you, they don't have that 9-11. Right they don't have, just like we didn't, we didn't have the Kennedy, right, you know? No, that's right. So we had our, we had not now. So now they have this. So that's, that is the cultural impact, I think, the only cultural impact coming out of this, which is a shame.

Speaker 2: 46:44

It is a shame, it's very disheartening, because something like this, when these big national events we'll just call it an event occur, that's what's supposed to like everybody is supposed to go. Like everybody is supposed to go, whoa, whoa, whoa. Time to calm it down. This got out of hand, like boy.

Speaker 1: 47:06

That escalated quickly. I mean that really got out of hand fast.

Speaker 2: 47:11

Like, okay, we got to calm it down, just calm it down, let's bring back civility. Let's bring back, you know, discourse, and I agree with you. I certainly don't see it happening in my comment section, I certainly don't see it happening anywhere online and it's very sad, it's very disheartening because that's what it should have done. Like that's what it should have done. I'm not saying everybody all of a sudden has to be all kumbaya and hugging each other and saying Trump, I love Trump now, I love Biden now, we're all friends. Nobody's looking for that, nobody expects that. But civility, common decency would have been nice and it's not the case, it's not going to happen and you know it's bad when your own network.

Speaker 2: 47:53

Talking about what's that, joe Scarborough?

Speaker 1: 47:57

They pulled Scarborough off the air because they knew. They knew that somebody either a guest or a host on that show was going to say something stupid, so it just took him off the air, Like that's how bad things are.

Speaker 2: 48:11

That's how that's, that's how you know, and I give some credit to I think it was maybe Stephen Colbert, I think he I didn't watch it so I don't want to say that fully but I think he said the appropriate things. Credit to him, you know. So some of them do have some common sense and and realize, like, if I say the wrong things here, this is, and it's not because they care, it's not because it's not a heartfelt thing, this is strategic. You know what I mean? This is, this is the right, having the right PR people in your corner saying no, no, no, no, no. Don't say that, say this, you know, say it like this.

Speaker 1: 48:45

And uh, touched on it, but I wanted I do want to come back to how is this being viewed from outside the United States? You touched on Putin, right? You know what is Right? Putin who you know. Whether you agree with me or not doesn't matter, but you know, I honestly think that he does respect President Trump and I don't think it's a I agree, I don't think it's a friendly respect. I really don't. I think it's too. You know, it's too big boys who aren't afraid to go at it, who see that in each other, they see each other and there's respect there.

Speaker 1: 49:23

We all know what some of the other leaders, how they feel about President Trump. A lot of them truthfully don't like him. Trudeau is one of them. Right, you've got some other folks across Europe that don't like him, but how did they react to this? Not him, but how do they react to this? And I think you know as bad as this is and as strong as it makes president Trump steam right and really prove not, I shouldn't even say scene, it proves who he is, but what does it show? What does it paint about America? And there is a level of and I've seen this coming from people outside the United States. Well, the United States has such a violent it's the victim blaming. They have such a violent culture. It's the most violent nation on earth. If you look at any failed state in the last 75 to 100 years, the United States played a part in it. What do they expect to happen? Right, and so that's not coming from world leaders, that's coming from citizens from across the globe. Right, right.

Speaker 2: 50:24

And my response to that honestly, listen, we're a melting pot of all nations, all cultures, so blame yourselves. Yeah, you brought it here then.

Speaker 1: 50:32

So there's, you know there's a lot of ways to take it, but but it'll be interesting to keep an eye on how the world leaders view this incident not necessarily President Trump because I don't think it. I don't think it changes their opinion of him. No.

Speaker 2: 50:47

I don't think it would change their opinion of him. I think it would. I I think I certainly could be wrong, what the heck do? I know. I would think that it would elevate their respect for him and again, not like him, not want to deal with him, not want to be around him, but respect him in that adversarial, adversarial, adversarial way that this is somebody you can't mess with, like he's not going to play, he's not going to. You know he'll negotiate. I mean, he's a negotiator, that's his thing. You know he will negotiate, but he's going to be tough and he's going to be. You know it's just no playing with that man and that. That to me the whole popping right up that defiance. You know that he has that you?

Speaker 1: 51:35

how do you not respect that?

Speaker 2: 51:36

as a leader, like in that sense.

Speaker 1: 51:44

No, it's very American, it's a very American response, but but at the same time the incident itself, I think, lends to a third world nation kind of feel right.

Speaker 2: 51:50

This is.

Speaker 1: 51:50

This is what happens in failed states. This is what happens in in unsettled countries. This is what happens when right.

Speaker 2: 51:59

This is what happens in socialist communist countries.

Speaker 1: 52:02

Yeah, this is picket, it's not a two, but when you have an attempt on a national level leadership candidate, that says a lot and not a lot good. It says a lot about the country, the state of the nation. So my concern is that this will be interpreted as you know further evidence of American weakness, that America is in a weak position. Take into account. You know that. You know all the major players out there are doing their own analysis of our election. They all know China knows, russia knows, everybody knows that that was a, you know, a free pass for Trump back into the White House. They all know that. But they do see the weakness that's going on. When you've got an incident like this, and my fear is, is that there will be some sort of escalation. I don't know how or by who maybe economic I don't think it'll be military, you know militaristic response but economic or trade or something involved with a major player nation that says America is in a weak spot. We need to take advantage of this before Trump gets in the White House.

Speaker 2: 53:05

I was just going to say, yes, there is a window of opportunity here for them right now, in their eyes, you know, I'd like to believe that that's not the case, and yeah. So I think we're in a very dangerous position, which we have been for pretty much all of Biden's presidency really. But this absolutely was probably a big indicator for them, like, well, if we're going to do something, we got to do it quick. Yeah, clock's ticking right.

Speaker 2: 53:30

Yeah, clock is ticking and you know DJT is going to clean house in a lot of ways when he gets in there and it's going to be a whole different ballgame. You know, it's funny to me I'm thinking back about the whole. You know leftist reaction to the fist raising and the fight, fight, fight and all that. How you know their passivity, their perceived, you know their pretend pass city about like, oh, that's a terrible message. You know we have to send a message of I don't even know what the hell they expected him to do, just lay there and be carted off like a sack of meat, like, is that what they were hoping for? I mean, obviously it's what they were hoping for based on their reactions. But you know, again, I go back to it. I hate to hate to keep beating that same drum, but I go back to it. I hate to hate to keep beating that same drum.

Speaker 2: 54:15

But Trump is the president that we need. You need a dangerous man and that's what they're afraid of because they know, you know, a dangerous man. Uh, jordan B Peterson said it the best. If you know, I recommend everybody go find that uh interview or speech that he did about the value of a dangerous man and, uh, I believe that wholeheartedly. We, we need a dangerous man in office, the very thing that they're afraid of and they keep saying you can't have him in office. He's dangerous. Yeah, he's dangerous and he's got it under control, and that's what you want, that's what we want, that's what we need, because people need to be afraid. It's like you know. You always, if you ever get into a fight, right, are you supposed to act like I? You always, if you ever get into a fight, right, are you supposed to act like I? Mean, I've never been in a fight in my life, believe it or not, shocking, I know, I totally seem like I would have been in some scuffles, right, Some fisticuffs. But yeah, act crazy, act crazy.

Speaker 1: 55:07

People will not mess with you if they think you're capable of doing you know Listen there was a whole generation of Soviet general officers who came out after 89, after the wall fell. All of that said very, very clearly. The reason that they never attacked through Europe in the 80s was because they thought 100% that Ronald Reagan was just crazy enough that he'd nuke the whole frigging world. And they knew that was the outcome. Like we're not even going to bother. The guy's a lunatic. He nuked the crap out. He'll end civilization over this. So we're just not even going to do it.

Speaker 1: 55:46

And whether it's true or not, you know the great actor that he was he portrayed that strength and they believed it and, and, yes, that is the value of that and it does play as part of diplomacy. So, yeah, there's a very different feel coming to the White House as a result of this. And, yes, I think those other nations do see this very small window. Right, we're in the middle of July. They've got it's not even until November, it isn't until January, right, so they've got about five months now to um to do whatever it is that they're going to do, because they know that we are in a bad state. So, um, I, you know it'll be interesting to see how that plays out, um, and it's definitely something that we need to keep an eye on collectively as a nation. Um, but I think the presidential race is a done deal. I think over with um and, uh, you know, we'll just cross our fingers that nothing crazy happens between now and January.

Speaker 2: 56:39

Yes, absolutely yes. My friends, you are praying, people pray. If you're hopeful, people hope. Uh, if you're, I don't know what, but do pull out whatever arsenal you have in your tank to um make things go smoother from this point forward.

Speaker 1: 57:01

Yeah guys.

Speaker 2: 57:03

Yes, positive thinking, I like it. Guys, as always, throw some comments in there. Let us know what you're thinking. Agree, disagree, have some additional points to make, something we missed? Throw it in there and you know, obviously this won't be the last time we'll be talking about this. As more information comes to light, we will definitely touch back on this and, of course, of course, of course, keep you posted and give you our perspectives on all of the things that are going on. And we love you guys, we love being part of your evening, your week.

Speaker 1: 57:35

It's always a good time. Always a good time. Yeah, it's all. We love it. We love it. Um, I we don't actually like weeks like this, like this is six, seven topics at a time and not have to focus on one big thing. So you know, we'll see what the next week brings on. And and uh, as always for me, we'll see you next week and keep moving.