Presidential Debate Analysis, Independence Day Reflections, and the Future of Leadership

What happens when the cognitive capabilities of a leader are put to the test on a national stage? In our latest episode, we dissect the recent debate between President Trump and President Biden, focusing on the glaring differences in their presence and performance. From Biden's troubling entrance to Trump's moments of surprising restraint, we scrutinize the ethical implications of Biden's continued participation and the human tragedy behind his condition. Moreover, we commend CNN for achieving a fair moderation, a rare feat that allowed both candidates to navigate the debate without bias.

We dig deeper into the political strategies at play, examining Biden's handling of COVID-19 measures, Medicare negotiations, and tax reforms. Through a critical lens, we explore how preparation and mental acuity shape public perception. We also delve into the internal dynamics of Biden's campaign, highlighting the influential role of Dr. Jill Biden and the tension within the Democratic Party. Speculations about potential candidates, should Biden step down, add another layer of complexity to the political landscape, with figures like Gavin Newsom and Robert Kennedy Jr. emerging as possible contenders.

As we shift gears, we tackle Independence Day safety and celebrate the immigrant heritage that defines America's spirit. We share personal stories and heartfelt tributes to veterans and legal immigrants, reminding listeners of the importance of community and the freedoms we cherish. Whether it's reflecting on Project 2025, the polarizing voices in Hollywood, or the significance of the 4th of July, this episode provides a comprehensive, thought-provoking look at the current political and cultural climate. Tune in for a blend of sharp analysis, emotional reflections, and a celebration of American values.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

It's the Elsa Kurt Show with Clay Novak. Conservative views on world news Brought to you by the Wellness Company.

Speaker 2: 0:08

Prepare for the unexpected and Refuge Medical, and now it's time for the show.

Speaker 3: 0:19

Good evening everyone. Well, we have the singular biggest topic to talk about. I mean, there's other big topics, but this one's pretty big and long-term ramifications Clay first off. How are you doing?

Speaker 2: 0:34

I'm doing okay. It was a week. I mean, like you said, it's our singular topic, so it's definitely worth an hour, but I'm doing well. How are you? Are you back north? Are you in Florida? What continent are you?

Speaker 3: 0:47

on. Most of the time, I don't know the answer to that question because I just don't know. But yes, yes, I happen to know that I am back on the East Coast and yes, yes, it's warm enough to feel like I'm in Florida. But yeah, so I'm here right now.

Speaker 2: 1:07

All right. Well, let's get this thing fired up and let's talk about this debate, oh my goodness.

Speaker 3: 1:28

So let me start by saying, as we talked about last week, I remembered, like suddenly, that I was going to be at a concert when the debate was happening, and that's exactly what happened. Right, I was at the Brooks and Dunn concert which, by the way, phenomenal, awesome, they were terrific, absolutely loved them. So glad I went. I do confess, despite your, your recommendation, your almost orders to leave that phone alone and don't look this.

Speaker 3: 2:02

Dodo had had her phone and you know they're like you know there's all this. Had her phone, and you know they're like. You know there's all this like pre stuff, you know the show, like all the big fanfare about them about to come out, you know, but at the same time the debate's starting. I'm like oh, oh, uh, okay, wait. So I did take a couple of peeks here and there. Obviously I couldn't really hear anything, um, but I will say, right from the get-go, um, from seeing I saw them walk out, you know um onto the stage, and right from that moment I'm like, yeah, it's going to be bad, it's going to be bad yeah, right yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:40

Listen, president, trump did what he does. You know we've talked about it. You know he's a he's, he's I wouldn't necessarily call him fit he is. You know he's a big guy, always has been Right, but you know, he he sauntered out onto the stage, president.

Speaker 3: 2:55

Biden, perfect word.

Speaker 2: 2:56

Yeah, he did. President Biden shuffled out onto the stage. Yeah, he did not ever in the 90 minutes wander off, so that was you know. We'll give him that upfront.

Speaker 2: 3:08

But yeah, they walked out and you're 100% right, though Very much set the tone Like as a viewer, you know, reading body language and just kind of anticipation on how this is going to go, that those two entries, the two ways that they walked in with, just the attitude and all that very, very different and it definitely definitely kind of let you know what was going to happen.

Speaker 3: 3:29

Yeah, yeah, and it was. You know, it's so appalling and sad to watch, and I've said this many times and I will repeat it again I have no love and no sympathy for Joe Biden. I truly don't. He was a horrible man as a cognitive person and now he's just a horrible dementia-ridden man. That's it.

Speaker 3: 3:52

But if you can set that aside, if I can set that contempt aside, and just think of a human being that I don't know anything about and say this is horrible, that I don't know anything about, and and say this is horrible, this is criminal, what they're doing to this man, this is so beyond unacceptable and and shocking. And you know, even and not all of them, cause there's still ones that are saying oh, he did fine, trump did awful, okay, whatever, if this is like, if this is what you're going to stand on, this is what you have to believe in your mind. Nobody's going to convince you otherwise. If you watch that, you have your head so far in the sand and you're never going to take it out, and that's you know. Whatever, that's your choice. But the rest of us, including the entire Democrat Party, watch this and went oh my God, this is horrible.

Speaker 2: 4:43

Oh my God, this is horrible. Yeah, I mean so you know. Let's just take the take the mechanics of the debate. First of all, I got to be honest. Well, I got to apologize first. Not Dana Perino, I got her name wrong last week when we were.

Speaker 3: 4:55

We were I call her Jake Jack.

Speaker 2: 4:57

Yeah, but but I will say this for CNN, for two CNN hosts and especially Tapper, who has been so anti-Trump for the last four years or so, they actually did a really, really good job. I agree. I give them a lot of credit. I give the network a lot of credit.

Speaker 2: 5:16

Cnn was not biased. They did not use the mute buttons in any nefarious way. Use the mute buttons in any nefarious way. In fact.

Speaker 2: 5:28

I was surprised a number of times throughout the debate. One or both gave an answer that was much shorter than their allotted time and one of the hosts would say well, you have 64 seconds because most of the time they weren't answering the question, so you have 64 seconds left. Would you actually like to answer the? Or the question was you know, and they repeat the question or ask them if they would like to answer the question or address something else. So they, they didn't cut them off.

Speaker 2: 5:52

I think at times, you know, president Trump wanted to have just a short answer. We talked about that as a tactic last week. Yes, we did. They did give them the entire time allotted and really only shut them off. I mean, if there was ever a time they were going to shut one of them off. It was that infamous 12 seconds or whatever it was, from President Biden very early in the debate. But you know, the two hosts and CNN as a whole, I think, actually did a very good job with the topics, with the way they managed the debate itself and and the questions that were asked and all of those things. So the mechanics of the debate were actually for as much as we even talked about the mute buttons and all that other stuff. It was very, very invisible to the viewer, which I think is what we all deserve is for Jim to be the two candidates and just kind of let it go as it is.

Speaker 3: 6:45

Yeah, absolutely. I was pleasantly surprised by that. I definitely thought there was going to be, and you know we all did. That's what we're all watching for. So there's a, there's a couple of factors at play here that, you know, just make me question something. So one, I would say OK, the the optimist in me, the naive one in me maybe, says well, they're just. You know, they heard our concerns, they heard our concerns and they wanted to play nice. You know, that's what I'd like to believe. And then there's that you know mean Elsa side that sits there and goes, ah, this was, this was just too good, like this was too good, he was too bad, they were too good. And this, you know, shock. I think this is what is getting me the most, this shock from the left right that like we didn't know it was this bad. Oh, you know what Bull you had to have known. I'm so proud of myself that was good.

Speaker 2: 7:46

That was good, but even today talking about Tapper, right Tapper today, and I missed which quote it was, but he took a quote from 1984 to talk about the Democratic Party, and you know their tactics. Yesterday or two days ago he was talking about how bad President Biden was. Now he, I almost wonder his like, if they knew, like CNN had enough foresight to say this is going to be bad. So let's set the stage a little bit, play it neutral and then, when it turns out as bad as we think it's going to, then we can go. You know, right, they don't show the oh my God. And Tapper for one, you know, I think, benefited from being the host because he is, you know, he played it straight on Thursday night and then since then he's been very much, you know, kind of in president Biden on his butt about his performance and then on the Democratic Party. So the rest of the media, you're right, has been very like we have. No, they're so complicit in all this crap.

Speaker 3: 8:54

It's not even funny, right, because they've been lying to everybody.

Speaker 2: 8:57

Yeah, exactly, they knew this, They've known this for years, but they were. They've been lying Right and and now it's this like oh my God, you know like you, better stop clutching your pearls. You all knew.

Speaker 3: 9:13

Yes. Yeah, you know, and that's the thing.

Speaker 3: 9:15

That kind of gets me like, so what you know? And, and I think so many of us are just sitting here saying what is the plan Like, what is your strategy, what is this motive? Like what you know, and I guess I don't know. Credit to them that they're keeping us guessing like this, that they're keeping us on pins and needles waiting to see, you know. I mean, so Biden, of course, is saying he's not going anywhere, he's running, he's. You know, your whippersnappers. You know, get off my lawn. Oh God, this guy.

Speaker 2: 9:47

Before we get to that, before we get to the aftermath right, because there's a lot of aftermath to talk about in that like immediately afterwards and then in the days afterwards. But the debate itself, I mean, I know you said you obviously Brooks and done, you know, having having a good time, you know, but you did say that you watched, you know most of the debate through highlights and whatnot afterwards. You know, obviously President Biden has some cognitive issues.

Speaker 1: 10:14

We're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with the COVID excuse me with dealing with everything we have to do with the COVID excuse me, dealing with everything we have to do with.

Speaker 1: 10:29

Look, if we finally beat Medicare, we're finally providing housing for black Americans, the impact on the choice, the idea that they're going to I'm not proposing that everybody they pay, the millionaires pay 1%, 1%, so no one. After I've not raised the cost of Social Security for anybody. I got my handicap which, when I was vice president, down to a six vice president down to a six, and I want us to get rid of the ability of Medicare for the ability for us to be able to negotiate drug prices with the big pharma companies. What I'm going to do is fix the tax system. For example, we have 1,000 billionaires in America. No one was hurt, no one Israeli was accidentally killed and it stopped. And I'm going to continue to move until we get the total ban on the total initiative relative to what we're going to do with more border patrol and more asylum officers.

Speaker 2: 11:41

He just knew what was going to happen, right, or at least we anticipated. He didn't get the shot or whatever they dosed him up with, for the State of the Union Definitely didn't get it this time around. He didn't get it this, or wore out, wore off right away His immunity. He's immune now. His tolerance levels too. I, like you, know a good addict, but you know, obviously, that that all came to bear. The thing that surprised me me too. Not because he's done this before he gets angry, you know. I mean he does.

Speaker 2: 12:11

He gets angry and he got. He got very, you know very angry at points. You know, yeah, I'm not a sucker, you're a sucker, you know, yes, we have that.

Speaker 3: 12:20

You guys, I'm not this, I'm not that.

Speaker 2: 12:23

Right, you know that the golf handicap, like that was there was a lot of stages in there where he just was lashing out, yes, and I don't know. Do you think, do you think that was a tactic to try and get President Trump to return fire?

Speaker 3: 12:39

Well, you know just his mental.

Speaker 3: 12:54

That was just his mental. If it was anyone else, if it was any other time in this guy's you know career of politics, I would say yes, tactic 100 percent. In this very specific case, I would say no, it is. It is the angry old man syndrome and we have. We have the whole loser thing. And I want you guys with that I'm sorry if you've seen it already, but we're kind of dissecting this a little bit and I want you guys with that, and I'm sorry if you've seen it already, but we're kind of dissecting this a little bit. You need to really take a good look at his face. This is like oh well, here it is.

Speaker 1: 13:12

You can see it. And he told me. He said I don't want to go in there because they're a bunch of losers and suckers. My son was not a loser, was not a sucker. You're the sucker, you're the loser.

Speaker 3: 13:23

I mean, that's the, that's rage, like that's rage and completely off base and wrong. You know, this was something that was never said. You know, and if he used those terms, that it's was completely taken out of context and you know all of the things. But that's what they do. That part, of course, is is tactic, tactical on his team's part, you know, and I think he was used and abused in that too. You know're probably like he's. He's calling, he's calling your son a sucker and a loser joe. You're gonna let you gotta stand for that joe.

Speaker 2: 13:51

You better give him the what for, you know, oh, yeah, I love all my old time phrases yeah, that that came up, um, and you kind of knew it was going to come up. You know, the Charlottesville thing came up, which had just been we talked about, it had just been debunked, right. So his staff, his staff, failed him, you know, in their prep. We talked about a murder board, right, we talked about all that last week. I think it's his staff. Now his mental faculties and mental capacity comes into play, because we don't know how much they prepped him or what they prepped him with and how much he retained. Right, they could have done a bang up job and they could have just, and it all fell apart. But but I, I think they armed him with some stuff, like you said, you know this, this, you know they got him all amped up, like I'm hopped up and and, and then they sent him out there and I think a lot of the stuff that they handed him is is, you know, urban legend.

Speaker 2: 14:52

You know it's, it's, it's been debunked, it's been this, you know that that whole losers and suckers thing, you know that's a he said, she said with General Kelly who you know truthfully had I don't, I don't know the man, I don't, I don't know anybody that knows him well, so he's one of the few that I don't have any contact with, mostly because he's different services marine, but I know there were some sour grapes between him and President Trump because he got fired Right Only time in his life he ever got fired. So, yeah, there's a little bit of ego in there. Life he never got fired, so there's a little bit of ego in there. So you know, do I think that in a room full of people that president Trump called, you know, veterans in a cemetery, deceased veterans, losers and suckers? No, I don't, for all the same reasons that president Trump said it like, why would I say that? Why would I say that, even if I, even if I believed it, why would I say it in that room full of all those?

Speaker 3: 15:41

exactly, and that's the argument right there. Like that, that's just so matter of course. Like, come on, duh, let's be real.

Speaker 2: 15:47

Yeah, so, but I think that was. You know, like you said, that was, that was a bit of a tactic, but I think it was also them. I don't know if maybe they were relying on adrenaline, Like if they got him mad enough on certain topics, it would keep him, you know, keep his his brain engaged. I don't know, I just he was all over the place.

Speaker 3: 16:06

But yeah, whatever their intentions were, a lot of backfires there.

Speaker 2: 16:10

Yeah, and then there was points where President Trump just let him talk and you know he mumbled off into space.

Speaker 3: 16:18

Yes, I mean, I don't know, and that of course gave us, you know that, gave everyone the soundbite of all soundbites. You, of course, gave us, you know, gave that, gave everyone the soundbite of all soundbites. You know the walk away or the takeaway from that whole thing.

Speaker 1: 16:30

Everybody's ready for it. You know what it is and I'm going to continue to move until we get the total ban on the total initiative relative to what we're going to do with more Border Patrol and more asylum officers.

Speaker 2: 16:39

President Trump.

Speaker 4: 16:40

I really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. I don't think he knows what he said either. Look, president Trump. I really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. I don't think he knows what he said either.

Speaker 2: 16:47

Look, that was the second time, though that was the second time in the debate, the first one he just like mumbled and tailed off and, like I was on social media, I was like please tell me I'm not the only person that just saw him lock up for 12 straight seconds, but that one, like the look on President Trump's face, was priceless.

Speaker 3: 17:14

Like what in the world is he talking about? And it looked completely genuine too, like what are you saying, man? And you know, and I honestly and maybe there'll be people that'll just be disagreeing with me on this I honestly feel that Trump displayed a high level of grace and compassion, because he could have just shredded him mercilessly and he he refrained. He didn't do it Like he let you know, he let a couple of you know things like that out, made a couple of faces and things like that, but he saved it for after, for Twitter and everything you know, running those ads and and all of that. So that's his campaign. But you know, I thought I agree with you.

Speaker 2: 17:56

I think he did. He did an exceptional job, maintaining his composure for him Right In the grand scheme of things because we know he would much rather be slinging mud most of the time.

Speaker 2: 18:08

So whatever coaching he got from his team, it's stuck and he held it for 90 minutes, which is the most important part, right? Yeah, everybody knows that he could go easily 45 minutes to an hour, could control his mouth, that kind of stuff, but you know, eventually it's going to get to him. But he held it for him, you know, to a pretty high degree, for a long, long time. Yes, and he did. Now there's a lot of people like oh, he lied, that was the big right. After the debate.

Speaker 5: 18:37

He lied.

Speaker 2: 18:38

That's all Trump did. Was he lied?

Speaker 5: 18:39

the whole time he lied, he lied, he lied.

Speaker 2: 18:41

Yeah, yeah, he lied, he lied, yeah, yeah. Well, you know there's a difference.

Speaker 3: 18:50

Biden was truthful Like not even you know, not even coherent.

Speaker 5: 18:51

I was lying and he didn't even know it, but he's a perpetual liar.

Speaker 2: 18:56

We do know that, like that's a that's part of his fabric as a person. So you know. You know all the stories the riding the train, the driving the truck, the corn pop and all that other crap that he spews. One of my favorite clips of him is the uh, I don't know if you've ever seen it. There's a compilation of I grew up in a puerto rican neighborhood. I grew up in a black neighborhood.

Speaker 5: 19:12

I grew up in a you know this and I grew up in the most eclectic, like diverse environment of any human being in delaware yes, guaranteed.

Speaker 3: 19:24

Yes, he's exceptional that way.

Speaker 2: 19:27

Or I guess not there, but you know he's from, he's from, you know here in Pennsylvania, but it's it's, it's all garbage. So we know he lies right.

Speaker 3: 19:38

Oh, he's pathological in it and he, you know he doesn't. He's consistent with some. And then the rest of him, he just makes up, makes him up on the fly. You know my uncle's eaten by cannibals and my uh, you know what else holy cow right, one of my favorite ones too.

Speaker 3: 19:55

Since we're talking about favorites, one of my favorites is um. He tells a story about how his father took him, took a drive in one day, and we see these two men. I'm not lying, no joke. I saw these two men and and they kissed and I and I said, dad, what, what, what's going on? And and my dad said you know, love is love. You know something like like really, really in in that time frame, in that day, in that era, that's that's what your dad said, that that's what you saw in public, like that happened in public, and you know what, in 1949.

Speaker 2: 20:27

Yeah, Like 49.

Speaker 5: 20:28

Hey.

Speaker 2: 20:28

Joe.

Speaker 3: 20:30

That's happening on every street corner, right? You know, we could devote a whole show into all of the things that he said. Maybe we will one time, if we need to.

Speaker 2: 20:38

We need to talk and talk and issues though, right, you know, that's really what we wanted out of this. We knew, you and I knew, I think everybody knew in their heart of hearts that President Biden was going to be a mess. We, you know. The question was was President Trump going to be able to control his mouth and his temper, which he did, right, yeah. Did CNN interfere? Not really, right, right. So so really, we're back to where debate should be, right.

Speaker 3: 21:01

Yeah, right.

Speaker 2: 21:05

You know I mean. So the big one that everybody wanted to know was abortion, right. And that was where the criticism of President Trump in the aftermath, after it was over with Right. Well, he lied. You know, nobody allows post-birth. You know, murder, you know, and all this other stuff. And yeah, he did it for a sensational effect. He did overstep right.

Speaker 3: 21:27

Yeah, we have that. Hang on, we're going to play that real quick. Here's that.

Speaker 4: 21:29

Take the life of the baby in the ninth month and even after birth, because some states Democrat run take it after birth Again. The governor former governor of Virginia put the baby down. Then we decide what to do with it. So he's willing to, as we say, rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month.

Speaker 2: 21:49

Yeah, I don't. I don't think anybody believes that to be true. Right, you know it's. It's sensationalism, you know, and President Trump is known for that. Right, you could call it a lie. Is it an untruth? Sure, it is Right, he said that for a sensational effect.

Speaker 3: 22:07

Exactly, and he can, you know, and he probably has. He can easily go back and say well, there are cases of that, you know. And of course the other side is going to say yes, because there were extenuating circumstances that you know. Blah, blah, blah those things and Trump will go yeah, but they happened, you know so they'll tip the hat on that forever.

Speaker 2: 22:28

The infant born with all of its organs outside of its body or something?

Speaker 5: 22:31

You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 22:31

It would be an extreme case, kind of thing. And then, yes, his counter would be well, yeah, and it happened. But you know, that is one of those points and we've talked about this before. Guns and abortion right, if you want to draw a distinct line in this nation, you talk about those two subjects and you'll get people's opinions. Nation you talk about those two subjects and you'll get people's opinions. But, to be honest with you, do you remember another topic that they talked about, like does anything jump to mind?

Speaker 3: 23:00

Yeah, and it's funny that you said that, cause I was thinking like this was so, um, the actual answers to questions. They were so inconsequential Like you couldn't even to questions. They were so inconsequential Like you couldn't even. First of all, if there was anything with any substance said, it was so lost in the visuals. First of all, on Biden's side, the inability to formulate the sentences, to get the thought out. So the focus was so much on how the two men were behaving. So even if, I swear, even if they gave a coherent answer to anything or anything, you know, expanded anything, give anything with depth, um, nothing that I can remember. Nothing, nothing whatsoever.

Speaker 2: 23:45

And they both. They both had a habit of being asked a follow-on question or even a question of a completely different topic, and then using their time to go back to address the last thing that they didn't finish talking about or they didn't have a chance to rebut, or whatever, and then they would never actually get to the question that they were just asked and we talked about. You know the time management piece of it. You know Tapper and and and that you know they, they did well, you still have. You know aapper and and and that you know they, they did well, you still have, you know, a significant amount of time. Would you like to actually answer the question you were asked?

Speaker 2: 24:23

So I think that, too, really kind of ruined the the, the flow of the debate and really a lot of the topics that I think we wanted to hear. We lost it because it was like you know they, they would ask a good question, an actual legitimate, good question, and it would be like, well, let me go back to this other thing before I do that, and then they would never get to, you know, whatever good question was asked. So we lost a lot. I think that the abortion discussion is really about the only memorable topic, immigration came up smattered throughout. Everything Right, there was an immediate response by BPS. I don't know if you saw this Border Patrol Services. Oh, I did. Yes, I'm sorry, I did forget. Yeah, president Biden made a claim that the BPS Border Patrol Services supports him, that they love him and they like, in the middle of the debate, whoever manages their Twitter, their social media accounts? It was like we do not and never have supported President Biden Like period and.

Speaker 2: 25:21

I think it was actually, I think it was the union. I don't know if it was BPS, because BPS is a government agency, so of course they support the president, but I think it was the union or whoever, but there was an immediate response Like no, we don't oh yeah, no way.

Speaker 3: 25:36

No, no, bro was sitting there with his beer and his popcorn saw that and went, oh hell, no, set that down. I was like, yeah, so good on them for being right on top of that. And that was a big kick in the face to Joe, and rightfully so. Like, don't be claiming you got the support from somebody that you don't. That was a big misstep on his part because it bit him right in the can.

Speaker 2: 26:02

So, before we get to the aftermath, we've got two more of these scheduled. Right, and we'll talk about the aftermath because it's going to matter, right, but if things go the way they go and President Biden stays on the ticket, we have two more of these. I guess my question is do you anticipate? Or what changes do you anticipate? Because I know ABC has got, I think ABC has got the next one. I don't know who's got the other one. Ok, abc has got the next one. What do you think they do different, if anything at all, than CNN did?

Speaker 3: 26:35

I don't know how much more they can do different. I mean, that was set up in such a way that I think that was probably the fairest way that that could have possibly been done. And it pains me to say that about CNN. It just pains me to say that they did a good job.

Speaker 2: 26:49

It pains me to say that about CNN. It just pains me to say that.

Speaker 3: 26:51

They did a good job, but it's a fact, you know. You know, if there were things going on behind the scenes that we're unaware of, I can't imagine what it would be Like. I really can't, you know. I know that they gave the long delay. You know what was it like almost a two-minute delay instead of the seven-second. Did you know about that?

Speaker 3: 27:12

And I don't know the validity of this um and if they actually follow through, but my understanding and you guys chime in and you tell me if I'm right or wrong or somewhere in between um, my understanding is that they instituted a like one and a half or two minute delay for broadcast um, which, versus the usual, you know how live, live program seven second I. We need to know that. Obviously, if that's true, first of all, and so, if it is true, that would be the only change I would say has to be made that no, no, no, no. Seven second delay. Just like with everything else, I want to see everything in almost real time, you know, because that doesn't allow you any opportunity to do any shenanigans.

Speaker 2: 27:50

Yeah, I hadn't. I hadn't heard anything about that. I mean, um, I, I know, I I'm curious if they will shorten it. Um, because not that. It I'll be honest, because the the one of the comments about president Biden in the afterward and all the analysis was he started horribly and finished very strong. So shortening it is a catch-22. It may help them, but it may cut off all the good stuff at the end if they make it shorter, if they make it 60 minutes instead of 90. So I don't know if they're going to alter the time. I'm convinced they're not going to put an audience in there. He can't handle any more stimuli. There's no way.

Speaker 3: 28:29

Yeah, no question about that. No audience. I think they will follow that model, probably almost to a T, and I think you're right. There's probably a high potential for shortening the duration and, quite frankly, we've already seen a disaster a circus, a dumpster fire. I'm like trying to think of all the words other than the one I want to say Chit show, yes, thank you. Chit show, yes, thank you.

Speaker 2: 28:53

I knew, I knew which one you were looking for You're so good.

Speaker 3: 28:55

You all knew, didn't you? I'm the one. If you need that to be said, I'm that guy. Thank you, oh, I'm going to make you say all the words for me, I've said them before.

Speaker 3: 29:09

Oh, but yeah, so I I think they will follow that same model. They will probably shorten it again, because we've already seen what 90 minutes looks like. We already know, like we don't have to do that again, and we also already know that we're not going to get any substantial answers out of either one of them. You know, and, and I'm, I'm, I'm a, I'm a Trumpster, okay, so I know this. I know we're not going to get anything of any real substance. I would love for him to prove me wrong and just to essentially ignore Biden. Like don't respond to anything, like absolutely nothing, right? Yes, treat it like an interview. Answer the questions, use your time wisely, give all the information. You know they're all losing their mind about this. What is it? Project 2025, right? They're like losing their minds about that, you know, and all it is is a plan of action, of course, because it's the heritage, heritage company, no heritage group, whatever it is.

Speaker 5: 30:04

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 30:05

Yeah, you know, because they're they're far right. Blah, blah, blah. And there's a what's that? Did I save this? I have to read you. I'm sorry to kind of go off track just slightly slightly. That idiot, mark Ruffalo, who I just want to kind of punch in the face oh, he's such a tool. Yeah, here it is. So this drama queen that he is, mark Ruffalo, don't be fooled by Project 2025's extremist and perverse ideology. Trump is bringing it to all our lives Abortion, lgbtqia, plus rights, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom of education, inequality between the races and genders gone Like all capital letters. This was his tweet Forced birth and forced religion. Uh, forced birth and forced religion. Trump's american taliban. Like what a nut job that guy is. Go back to playing the hulk and shut up.

Speaker 2: 31:00

It's just the stupidest things that he is the extreme of hollywood oh yeah he is the extreme of hollywood, yeah he's a flaming nut job, for sure, yeah if you've got him on one end of the spectrum and you've got probably, you know, there's a few on the other end Clint Eastwood and some of the other, chris Pratt and some of the others. You know Right. But yeah, I think, I think you know it's probably Probably time to talk about the aftermath.

Speaker 5: 31:24

I don't know. Yeah, the concert.

Speaker 2: 31:32

I watched CNN afterwards because I knew what Fox was going to say. I knew you know what I mean. Sure, yeah, I wanted to see the reaction, the immediate reaction from the left Right.

Speaker 3: 31:37

I got to watch some of that in real time. The show ended. Oh, did you? Yeah, so I got to see some of that. The CNN panel.

Speaker 2: 31:46

Yeah, nine of them sitting at that half table.

Speaker 3: 31:50

And I tell you what they went off.

Speaker 2: 31:52

Anderson cooper was hosting and they went off every now. There was a, a handful of, but trump lied. But you know, trump didn't do great either, but for the most part it was absolute panic. It was like we are screwed. That was a disaster. That was like that was the worst part. You know what I mean. It was every adjective that you could think of to describe how poorly that went for President Biden.

Speaker 3: 32:19

And that's just a country right there, if they're saying it, if they can't put a spin on this, nope.

Speaker 2: 32:26

Yeah, yeah. So but that continued right the next day it was New York Times editorial, right, yeah, you know, president Biden, your service to the nation is to step down, it's to not run. Yeah, and I, and I heard because I was. I spent a lot of time in the car on Saturday and I was listening to news and they said that he and I didn't know this. President Biden still reads the paper copy of the New York Times, still gets delivered to the White House. He's still a newspaper guy. So his beloved New York Times like that was what he got, you know you think they hid it from him?

Speaker 3: 33:04

Do you think they just, you know, made a special one just for him? That said great.

Speaker 2: 33:10

Well, ok, so let's talk about the immediate. Did you see the film footage of, of you know the first lady like carrying him off? You know carrying is an I'm exaggerating, but she literally, you know, under his arm, like brought him down the stairs.

Speaker 3: 33:25

Yes, yes, I have, so I have. I have a few different things for us, so, and and both have to do with Jill, so here here are the two of them. Here's the comparison of the two candidates leaving the stage. You ready, here we go.

Speaker 3: 33:40

This is beautiful so, yeah, I mean, you know not. Uh well, I mean, there was a drastic difference from when they entered the stage as far as trump is concerned walked out the same way. He came in. That saunter, like you said, that trump saunter, that he does, he just strut it on and strut it off it actually. I actually had a little moment of sadness there that you know, he, there was nothing for him, like no greeting him, nothing, just gone. And I know that was a choice he made and I think it was the right choice for him to make, um, to just say I'm out of here. Bye, dishes. See, I didn't say the word I said. Don't come for me, fishes. See, I didn't say the word I said fish Don't come for me.

Speaker 2: 34:53

I know what you meant.

Speaker 3: 34:54

God knows what you meant. I know I'm sorry, tattletail. Oh, and then of course we. We have Joe who, like you said, shuffled in and then needed help getting down three steps, baby steps, like you know, very little platform elevation whatever, and you know his wife had to hold his hand and guide him down, and what a painful sight, you know. If nothing sums it all up, I mean that's, you know, geez, add it to the list of things. That just sum it all up. But that was so bad, and then we can. I know what you have.

Speaker 2: 35:38

You haven't even called me, but I know what clip you have. This is afterwards right.

Speaker 3: 35:43

Yes, you ready for it.

Speaker 2: 35:44

The gardener that just went to the potty by himself.

Speaker 3: 35:47

Yeah, Okay, you might want to like cup your ears a little bit, because her voice will be like nails. It's worse than when I do the Kamala impression. So you're ready. Here it is. You did such a great job. You answered every question. Let me ask the crowd what did Trump do? And let me ask the crowd, what did Trump do? Oh, it makes. It makes me itch. I have the ick. I mean, that was so horrendous and some you know, brilliant memists. I don't think that's actually a word, but it is.

Speaker 2: 36:27

I like it though. Right, you're a memist, you get it, not a memaker actually a word, but it is.

Speaker 5: 36:30

I like it though.

Speaker 3: 36:30

Right, you're a meanest, you get it, not a mean maker they captured her face mid yell and point and they've done some really funny things with them. I'll find them, but wow, did they capture a moment looking like a lunatic, absolute lunatic. And then there's another one, and I don't know the character's name, but if you know the simpsons um, there's an old guy.

Speaker 3: 36:52

He's the guy like the wealthy old man and they have a side by side of of biden and him, and they're both oh, like all of these things. But you know this, this does not help his case at all.

Speaker 2: 37:09

So what really came to light because Jill has, you know, dr Jill has decided to shine the spotlight back on herself is that a couple of things? So I saw a very interesting picture in preparation for the G7 summit where she was sitting in his chair with his coat draped across the back of the chair in his prep binders, doing all of the prep Right. So, indicator number one, right, you know there's been some some, like people said, you know, brought up names like Eleanor Roosevelt. You know there's there's some comparisons being made there, there's a comparative being made between her and Nancy Reagan and how differently they've handled this. Nancy Reagan was the opposite, where she shielded President Reagan from a lot of this, especially at the end of his second term.

Speaker 3: 38:01

Reagan, my guy.

Speaker 2: 38:05

Yeah, she's the opposite, but my understanding is that, as much as everybody is talking about him dropping off the ticket being replaced Number one I didn't know this. He has to, and I've been using this word. He has to bequeath his delegates to someone he can't drop off and then let the party decide who the candidate is going to be. He would have to drop out of the race and give those delegates to someone essentially naming his replacement, right? So that's, that's a big problem, because he has to agree to this which, whether he, whatever planet he's on, which, whether he, whatever planet he's on, on, whatever day he's on, the word on the street is that the first lady has said no, he is not dropping out of the race, he's not agreeing to this crap and and with the spotlight on her, the analysis is that she is one of the ones running things and she doesn't want to give up the power. Yeah, oh, I believe that.

Speaker 2: 39:17

Yeah, there was a big. I think there was a big powwow, maybe on Sunday or maybe even on Monday, but I think on Sunday there was a big powwow at Camp David, a lot of DNC leadership to include President Obama and some others, and it was supposed to be the anticipation or the guess is that it was supposed to be after the debate to convince President Biden You're like no man, you're done Right. I guess she is the one who said no effing way, we're not doing it, we're not dropping out, we're not handing them off, we're not doing anything. So I think she is the wild card that none of us really anticipated, card that none of us really anticipated in this part of you know, because we've been saying for a year almost that he's not going to make it, you know, into a second term, be replaced on the ballot or die in office or whatever, but we've never talked about her as the deterrent in the White House.

Speaker 3: 40:06

Yeah, I don't think some time ago I would have seen that coming. I never really had much of an impression of her. I know I didn't really care for her. Right, I knew I didn't care for her. She's very when you've seen her speak. She's very saccharine sounding. She has that very sweet voice. We just got a glimpse of what the real Dr Jill Biden is like. That was a really good taste because I'm pretty sure in that little secret special meeting that they had she came in like a banshee and I guarantee she was dropping some F-bombs and MF-ing people all over the place, right Like I would guarantee that she was like the wicked witch of the West coming in there, all crazy.

Speaker 2: 40:53

And I guess you know the vice president is not happy because she is not being discussed as a potential replacement Right, Not even not even being considered.

Speaker 3: 41:09

So you happen to see. Did you see her post-debate interview with Anderson Cooper? I have a little clip of that and her expression she's so angry, she's just so angry, and I feel like it was like before this interview they said listen, you get out there and you defend him and you act like it was awesome, do it now. And she was like like it was awesome, do it now. And she was like this is bull yeah here it is.

Speaker 5: 41:36

Listen. First of all, what we saw tonight is the president making a very clear contrast with Donald Trump on all of the issues that matter to the American people. Yes, there was a slow start, but it was a strong finish, and what became very clear through the course of the night is that Joe Biden is fighting on behalf of the American people. On substance, on policy, on performance, joe Biden is extraordinarily strong.

Speaker 2: 42:02

And I'm sorry on substance and policy and performance tonight. I mean the president's performance tonight clearly was disappointing for his supporters.

Speaker 3: 42:11

Yeah, so you know it started off with what did you think of his performance?

Speaker 2: 42:14

And she was trying to sidestep and you know, and the whole interview continued like that, but her anger level was like through the roof, yeah, and you know, because she may have been told in that very same, like you better get out there and be on his team. You better get out there and support him and put on a happy face and you better do say all the right things and at the same time they're not telling her support him until you can take over for him. Right, she's not getting the golden ticket, it's not coming, and she knows that. So you know she's put in a difficult spot that she can't, she can't handle an easy one. So you know a difficult spot like this, you know is is all she does is she's going to get mad too. Um, so you know the there's been. I I've heard all the normal names, you know. I've heard the Michelle Obama. I've heard, interestingly enough, I've heard Gretchen, uh, whitmer.

Speaker 3: 43:09

Uh, I heard that too. I was like she's been coming up lately. Yeah, she's pretty well-known.

Speaker 2: 43:15

Gavin Newsom, who has already said no yeah, although he'll do whatever the party tells him to do.

Speaker 3: 43:20

No question about it.

Speaker 2: 43:21

But somebody asked me just yesterday they're like so who's it going to be, who's going to replace him? And I said, well, my initial answer was Jill's not going to let that happen. So it's not really a discussion. And I said, but if, if it came down to it, they don't have another candidate?

Speaker 3: 43:38

They really don't do.

Speaker 2: 43:40

They didn't do any primaries. There was no. You know, there was a couple of people that tried. They lasted three weeks and it fell apart. But there's nobody there, like no, it's. There's no viable candidate that they can pull off the shelf right now, with a month to go, because, remember, by August 5th they have got to tell the state of Ohio this is who our candidate is. That is one month right, one month from now. So if they're going to replace him, they have to do it quickly so that person can gain some momentum. But, more importantly, administratively, they can get that person on the some momentum. But, more importantly, administratively, they can get that person on the ballot. So that's gotta be that decision's gotta be made quickly. And every time they have a meeting and Jill or Joe or whoever you know, the Biden's, you know they push back or fight against it. It slows the process down. But do you know, can you think I'm dumbfounded? Can you think of another candidate?

Speaker 3: 44:36

No, I really can't. I can't imagine. You know, my skin crawls at all of the names that were just mentioned. I absolutely just crawls. They even trotted out Hillary Clinton as a possibility. And you know, and I think what's happening is, every time that they test one of these names to their, their peer group, they're all like nope, nope, nope. You know, and because they know these are, these people are not going to get the votes, they're not going to, they're not going to do what they need them to do, you know there's another, another piece of the mechanics, because you talked about that the sense.

Speaker 2: 45:11

Groups right, the sensing that they're doing. Groups right, the sensing that they're doing. So if president Biden drops out, all of the money that has been donated to his campaign cannot be handed off to anybody else, oh, what happens to it? So it goes away? I don't know what happens to it, but it can't be like he can't turn around and donate that to the next candidate. My understanding is you can't do that. So they're starting. So the party has the party's money. That's one thing. But if they're going to have to start funding and that's another reason why this timeline matters they're going to have to start fundraising from scratch. And when they're polling the billionaires, the big name fundraiser, the big name people who donate, they can't agree on a new candidate. So you, you go to this billionaire, whoever it is, pick your billionaire and say, well, we're thinking about so-and-so no. Well, what about so-and-so? No, what you know, and then finally agrees to one of them. And then they go to the next billionaire and that guy goes that, no, I'm not, no way.

Speaker 2: 46:13

So they can't get that together, which is causing another logistical problem with this whole thing.

Speaker 3: 46:18

I think the ultimate plan right now is, like the only plan that they have is that they like. Their only thought process is we just have to keep them alive. We just have to keep them alive, get them in office and then I think they're OK with Kamala Harris taking over once they're in. I think they're okay with that because she's controllable, you know she can't win an election.

Speaker 2: 46:45

That's no she can't, she can't win.

Speaker 3: 46:46

So if they replace her ahead of time, now they're, they're done for and so that's like they're. I think that's their only option.

Speaker 2: 46:55

They're kind of done anyway, right what?

Speaker 3: 46:57

were the numbers.

Speaker 2: 46:58

They are 67. It was a. It was a one-thirds, two-thirds split, right, and who won the debate? And there's been massive, you know, massive drop in president Biden's support, you know. Add on top of that what happened with the Supreme court and president Trump's favor, you know, with the presidential immunity. He's just on and up like everything's swinging in his direction and yeah, yeah, this is it. This is doomsday for the DNC. I mean, it really is.

Speaker 2: 47:27

Oh absolutely Nothing. There's no plan B. I think they thought they had a plan B, but it's. It's falling apart. It's all going to shit.

Speaker 3: 47:37

So talk to me briefly about Robert Kennedy Jr. What? What's up with him Like? What? Where is he playing in in all of this? I mean, he obviously he didn't qualify to get up on that debate stage, but now that there's this massive deterioration, good question, right. So I mean because here's what I'm kind of thinking like all those eyes that were, you know, on on Biden for their front runner Now there may be a big enough percentage of them that are like turning their head over here going well, I mean he's not a lot.

Speaker 3: 48:12

Yeah, I mean, he's the. Kennedy.

Speaker 3: 48:14

He has their you know, for the most part their set of values. Yes, that was a one handed air quote on that Open ended. Open ended. Yeah, you know he's, I mean his, their big grievance with him that I'm aware of. The only one that I'm aware of is his vaccine stance, you know, which pissed him all off. His vaccine stance, you know, which pissed them all off. If there's more going on, I'm not aware of it, you know, because, honestly, I haven't paid enough attention to him, because up until now, I feel like he's just there as an agitator, you know, just to kind of stir up the pot and make things a little messy. And he was already projected to take some votes away from Biden, like the consensus seemed to be that he wasn't going to take him away from Trump. He would be taking away from Biden and I wonder if this will make more of a surge.

Speaker 2: 49:02

It's a good question and it's a very good question. So they never anticipated him getting Ross Perot, like numbers like to be that much of a you know a nuisance, but at the same time of a you know a nuisance, but at the same time this election was back then, before last Thursday, was anticipated to be pretty close.

Speaker 2: 49:28

So any interference or any you know pulling votes from anywhere was going to be a problem or was going to have an impact. So it's a good question. And I, and I'll go one further and say what if the DNC just says, hey, he already, he's already running as an independent? What if we just back it? What if we just say, hey, you know, president Biden, you know can't, won't, whatever. We're going to throw up a candidate or we're not and we're just going to pull everything and say, hey, we're backing him, he's a Kennedy, he's a longtime. You know, the family's democratic, it's American royalty, whatever you want to call it. Yeah, I don't even know if that's feasible, I don't know what kind of an uproar that would cause, but it's interesting to consider where he plays in this. Now, it's a very good question.

Speaker 3: 50:08

Thank you. Yeah, I felt good about that one. Yeah, that was good.

Speaker 2: 50:12

Because he's been in the shadows a little bit, you know, because he didn't get into the debate and those sorts of things. So he's been I won't say left off the ticket, but he's been pretty quiet and ineffective because he just hasn't been seen. This has the potential to raise his visibility exponentially.

Speaker 3: 50:31

And now does this. Is there a chance for him to get on to this next debate stage, or is that already a done deal? I don't know.

Speaker 2: 50:39

I don't know if they've established those, those criteria, like CNN did.

Speaker 3: 50:43

Right.

Speaker 2: 50:43

You know they may have it. I'll tell you if that's a change to the format and they bring him on the stage. I don't. That doesn't benefit President Biden either that doesn't benefit president Biden either.

Speaker 3: 50:58

No, oh my gosh, that will doubly make his ineffectiveness and his feebleness glare even worse. You know you have two men, and I think that you know of the three this is probably such an obvious statement. Of the three, kennedy is the most articulate, well-spoken candidate really. I mean the one who has a lot of intellect behind his statements and everything. I'm not a fan, don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan. I am well aware that his leftist views are very left, and especially on topics that matter to me in particular. You know he's very left and his running mate is even more so. She is a progressive leftist, you know. So I don't want to see them anywhere at all, but I recognize.

Speaker 2: 51:47

As a debater, as a public speaker. You're right, he's got the chops. He is the guy that can stand up there, take the question and formulate an answer, even probably with minimum prep. If they throw him a curve ball and they pull something out of left field and give him something he's not prepped for, he can still put an answer, an articulate, clear, thought out answer, together very quickly, which again does not bode well for President Biden because it makes him look even worse, right?

Speaker 3: 52:14

Yes. So yeah that could be a very interesting twist in an already very twisty game.

Speaker 2: 52:23

Listen, this week has been awesome. This has been the best week, I think, of the of the election. Not just because of President Biden, like everything coming to light, but the reactions on the side, on the part of the media, the reaction on the part of the Democratic Party, the reaction on the part of President Trump, which has been fairly subdued, like he's just letting this linger and letting you know the panic just swell, which is great, yes, but I've learned a lot this week. I didn't understand the mechanics of you know really how the, the, if they replaced them, and then that, the funding that you know, the campaign donations and all that other stuff. Um, it's been a really good week, probably the best week, in my opinion, in this election.

Speaker 3: 53:08

Yeah, I agree, I agree. I think I gave a lot of definitive answers here to questions that we're all asking Um and and and. Even those of us and I put myself in that maybe nobody else, so I'll just talk about myself here. For someone who has been watching the Biden stink show, say the word for me, please.

Speaker 2: 53:30

Shit show, shit show it is.

Speaker 3: 53:32

Thank you Watching it. There is an objective part of me that still says I don't know. You know, are we only seeing snippets and not seeing full pieces? Maybe it's not as bad. Here's an opportunity to see how bad is it really in essentially real time. And that was, you know, I wouldn't say I needed a clincher to to convince me of anything to convince me of anything. But if anybody did there, it was up on stage for 90 minutes of bumbling, fumbling, stumbling, freezing, hobbling. All of the ings were happening on that stage and it was horrifying to watch. Absolutely horrifying Slow moving train crash right.

Speaker 2: 54:13

Yeah, and just watch the next couple of weeks because, again, right, august 5th is the next big. Just watch the next couple of weeks because, again, right, august 5th is the next big. That's the next big mark on the wall, which is, you know, ohio. They have to let Ohio know by August 5th who the candidate is. So the DNC has got to make a decision before then and then, you know, we'll see what happens. Because once that rolls past, they're committed and you know they've got to. They've got to give whoever it is a fighting chance to campaign. So they got to make the decision quickly.

Speaker 2: 54:41

We're rolling in like listen, this is, this is going to air on 4th of July. Right, you know I'm going to give a little. You know PSA and it's kind of a two side. It's two side. First of all, don't blow your fingers off If you're drinking. Put the fireworks down. Good lord, we got to tell people this every year. But it's like, you know, there's a reason. I used to say this as a commander all the time. There's a reason why there's a sticker on the court of your toaster that says don't take a bath with your toaster. It's because stupid people keep doing it Fireworks are the same way Every year, like today, is.

Speaker 2: 55:11

you know we're recording on Tuesday. It's the second. Today is the last July 2nd that somebody is going to have all 10 fingers. It's the last Tuesday for them with all 10 digits.

Speaker 5: 55:21

So please don't do anything stupid with that.

Speaker 2: 55:22

But I will say this coming from and on behalf of some veterans if you've got veterans in your neighborhood or in the area, go talk to them. I'm not saying and I'm a firm believer with this and not every veteran's going to agree with me and that's okay, you know. Go talk to them, see if they're, see if they're okay, See if the fireworks bother them, those sorts of things. Ask the question. It's okay to ask the question. They should answer you honestly. But I would say that all of us veterans who know that we have issues, you know, with fireworks, do your own prep. You know, let people celebrate, do what you can to allow the holiday to go on the way that it traditionally does. You know, if that's you just getting out of the area, if that's you putting on some noise, canceling headphones and sitting in the, whatever it is that you've got to do for all of us veterans, I think we still have a responsibility to do that. Don't be the you know the guy who, you know, just crabs about 4th of July. But if you do have a veteran in your neighborhood, ask, ask the question. I will tell you like 4th of July for me.

Speaker 2: 56:23

I'm the guy who, like tonight, if I walked outside with my dogs and all of a sudden there was one single loud one cause I'm not, I'm not anticipating it. Right, the first one, the first one, I'll get the, as most of us do. Right, there's a, there's a natural reaction to it, and then, after that, I'm okay. Fourth of July it's. I know it's coming Right. So I'm okay. And we all, all of us veterans, especially all of us, you know that've been rocketed, which are mortared, you know as many times as we had. We all react to it differently, but just for everybody, if you've got veterans in your neighborhood, go talk to them before. If you're a veteran, do what you can to allow others to celebrate. But I just wish everybody a happy 4th of July. There's a reason for this holiday. Hopefully we don't have a recurrence of this in the next couple of years.

Speaker 2: 57:09

We don't need to go that direction, but to me it's the most important day in American history and and I just I wish everybody a happy Independence Day. Yes, people lose sight of what July 4th is, so I like to see Independence Day. So happy Independence Day to everybody this week.

Speaker 3: 57:29

Absolutely. I echo that sentiment and it's actually one of my all time favorites as well. That sentiment, and it's actually one of my all-time favorites as well. It is my grandmother, my maternal grandmother's, birthday who's? She's long since passed on, but I am the proud daughter and granddaughter of legal immigrants who came to this country and understood what it means to to live here in this country and to appreciate everything that's available to us and our freedom being the first and foremost thing that we have, and I was raised to love this country by those legal immigrants because of their love for country. So for my grandfather I will be playing on repeat very, very loudly, neil Diamond America. That was his favorite song. He was not a good singer. Bless his heart. He would sing that at the top of his lungs in his German accent and it was just one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard in my life. And so, yes, so happy Independence Day to everyone. Don't forget what this really means to all of us.

Speaker 2: 58:35

And as a as also a horrible singer. My favorite song is the Jimi Hendrix version of the Star Spangled Banner, because there's no singing, so I love it. Enjoy Independence Day and, as always from me, keep moving, keep shooting.

Speaker 3: 58:50

Take care, guys. Bye-bye.