Navigating Legal Battles and Media Bias

Is the upcoming debate rigged against Trump? In this episode, we unpack the intense preparations and strategies on both sides, focusing on President Joe Biden's stamina and the speculation around moderator bias. We also analyze Trump's tactics, the necessity for him to stay composed, and how Biden might attempt to provoke him. Our discussion highlights the critical importance of sticking to facts over name-calling to secure credibility and effectively handle the heat of the debate stage.

We then shift gears to explore Trump's potential responses to legal challenges during the campaign. From countering Biden’s team’s critiques to leveraging comments from figures like Andrew Cuomo, we dissect every angle. We also examine the constitutional arguments related to the Mar-a-Lago raid and the broader implications of media and presidential interference in ongoing trials. Lastly, we share our personal scheduling conflicts, including attending a concert and participating in a charity event for the Alan Lynch Foundation, but remain committed to watching the debate despite our busy day. Tune in for an engaging, comprehensive conversation on these pressing issues.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

It's the Elsa Kurt Show with Clay Novak. Conservative views on world news Brought to you by the Wellness Company. Prepare for the unexpected and Refuge Medical. And now it's time for the show.

Speaker 2: 0:19

Well, good evening everyone. It is debate night, and if you're watching us instead, that must mean that you want to keep your sanity right. That's how we felt about it too. So, anyhow, hi Clay, how are you?

Speaker 1: 0:32

I'm good, how are you? It's, yeah, great night. You know, we haven't. We haven't had one of these in a while, and the last one was the Republican debates, which you and I weren't terribly happy about. But we'll talk about all of that right after we get started.

Speaker 2: 1:05

Well, hey guys, so yeah. So I'm, as usual, discombobulated. I just came back I don't even know if you know this, Clay I just got back from Florida again on Monday, so we switched our recording time. We're actually right now, we're recording on Wednesday morning, which is such a rare occurrence for us. I'm so thrown off In my head. I'm thinking it's like nighttime outside because you know I'm down in my little studio. I'm so discombobulated, but not in a bad way, it's just in a funny way that I'm all out of sorts.

Speaker 1: 1:29

Listen, life's busy, your life's busy, my life's busy. We got to make adjustments sometimes, but it's allowed us a little bit more time. We got to see a little bit of the results of the primaries that happened yesterday. We'll talk more about those later. But the big thing is the debate, and we are. You know, like you said, this is going to air about the same time, or in and around the same time, as the debate, and this is the high priority topic for everybody, not just us, but for every news outlet. Everybody is watching this. I mean, it's the biggest thing going on.

Speaker 2: 1:57

Yeah, and the craziest part about it is, I would say, more than half the people are watching it just wondering if Joe Biden can get through it.

Speaker 1: 2:07

Yeah, it's the spectacle and we've been hearing about the prep. You know I'm sure you've been here. So now that he's at Camp David, he's been there all week long and I heard an old theater and an airplane hangar have been mocked up to replicate the stage that they're going to be on. He's had 16 current and former advisors there and he's been practicing standing up for 90 minutes.

Speaker 2: 2:34

Wow, Wow, Just the fact that he has to practice standing up for 90 minutes. Oh so you know. So, as our little headline there says, you know, the huge conversation is about whether the debate is I even know if it's, if, if this is a real like debate, about the debate that is going to be rigged in favor of Joe Biden simply because of the moderators and who's you know doing all of that. And you got Jack Tapper and Dana what's her name? Dana, something?

Speaker 1: 3:06

Jake Tapper and Dana.

Speaker 2: 3:08

Perino yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:10

I think so so you know.

Speaker 2: 3:14

so the conversation, of course, is that they are, you know, feeding him the questions ahead of that. Joe's going to have all the questions ahead of time that he's going to be, you know, in his preparations for this. He will have the questions, and you know it's hard to imagine. You know, we go by all the statements that this guy has made about Trump. He clearly, the whole network, they hate Trump with such an aggressive passion. It's really hard to imagine anything other than that. So I guess the interesting part really is the fact that that Trump said I'm OK, yeah, let's do it. You know, and I don't know if that's going to work in his favor or against him. What do you think?

Speaker 1: 3:55

So I think it's a comparative, you know. I think it's in terms of is he going to be OK versus President Biden, right? No, I think if he had a more together, more staunch opponent who had better control of his faculties and all that other stuff, then I think he would probably be a little more worried. I think his prep would be a little bit more deliberate. We all know, I mean, there's a level of arrogance there that you can't. I mean, it's just, it is who he is, but at the same time he's not an idiot.

Speaker 1: 4:22

So I think, as he is out campaigning, but at the same time he's not an idiot. So I think, you know, as he is out campaigning, you know, making up for lost time that he lost, you know, sitting in a courtroom in New York for five, six weeks, he's using that time to prep. But again, when he says, yeah, I'm going to be fine, I think he's talking in, you know, versus Biden, president Biden. So you know there's that. I think the strategy will be interesting. I read this morning, just this morning, that President Biden's strategy is going to be to try and trigger President Trump, which I don't is actually a pretty good strategy.

Speaker 2: 5:01

It is a matter of you know is President Trump going to take the bait or not? You know, right, which he's apt to do? Yes, yeah, he's. You know, I, I think his best strategy is to exhibit an incredible, herculean amount of self-control. And you know, and that's, I think, honestly, I think that's the biggest thing. Just keep your, keep your composure. Don't take the bait and um and just keep hitting them. Just keep hitting them with all the facts you know, facts, numbers, truth. Just keep hitting them. Just keep hitting them with all the facts. You know, facts, numbers, truth. Leave out the.

Speaker 2: 5:35

You know the name calling and all the silliness and all those things you know, because and I'm not saying he's wrong in any of the things that he says, but they're pointless. Like, make your points, you know, get hit all of those things the economy, the border, you know, just keep going, going tout. You know your own record, your plans, I mean the. You know he just he just talked about and that made big waves eliminating taxing tips for servers or, you know, waitstaff servers and all that kind of stuff, and you know that made a big ripple. People were like, yeah, how about that? Let's, you know, do that. So talk about the things that you're going to do. Talk about the things that he's not doing or that he's.

Speaker 2: 6:03

You know that Biden has done to the detriment of the country. Leave the name calling out. You don't have to call him Sleepy Joe, you don't have to. You know you don't have to go with any of those things. You don't need to. We already know, we already call him all those things. You know you're just wasting airspace by by doing that. But just keep hitting them and then man just let the guy talk. Well, he doesn't have a choice. There's no choice. So they're muting the microphones. There's no choice.

Speaker 1: 6:26

So the microphone muting is interesting, just, you know we talked about this before, but just a little bit of time to reflect and think about it. And what you know, really, what our headline is for this segment, you know, is it rigged towards. You know, president Biden, you know the moderators are going to have control of those mic mute buttons so what they can do, truthfully, is allow, you know, mute President Trump a little bit more. Mute President Biden a little bit less. You know if President Biden is stumbling, bumbling, fumbling, hitting the mute button so that people don't hear it, you know those kind of that. You know the mute button, I think is going to be, has the potential to be a bigger issue than really any of us anticipated.

Speaker 1: 7:12

I think you know, we all know, that it's originally or at least the way it was sold was to prevent what you and I both despised about the Republican debates, which was them talking over each other and not being able to hear anything, and you know all of those things controlling people talking beyond their time, and it's got value for all of that. But it can be manipulated like anything else. So dead air time, I think, benefits President Trump. Truthfully, like you said, if he gets in, he puts his message out, whatever it is, on whatever topic they're talking about, and then he stops talking and then it kicks over to President Biden to rebut or whatever. And it's especially especially if it's quick, like it doesn't give President Biden time to you know, listen, collect, analyze, and then you know respond, and it turns into a deathly long pause while he's trying to figure out what he's going to say. That benefits President Trump, that benefits President Trump, but I don't. I don't know how all that's going to work.

Speaker 2: 8:16

No-transcript kind of echo what you said there, because I think that actually is extremely brilliant or could be brilliant on Trump's part to keep those answers short and to the point and then, like you said, just be done. I'm done, I answered the question. Go ahead and, like you said, go nice really quick, because he can't Biden, no matter how much they prepare him for the questions, and I'm sure part of that preparation will be, you know, responding to all of Trump's possible answers and rebuttals and comments and all of the things. So you know, I'm sure they are prepping as much as they can, but you know they're I would think they're basing it off on Trump's track record, on how he does things all the time.

Speaker 2: 9:01

So for him to change it up drastically would throw everything that they have prepared for right out the time. So for him to change it up drastically would throw everything that they have prepared for right out the window and Biden's going to be left up there looking like the stumbling, bumbling old man that he is. You know, because Trump has already shown as far as stamina and the whole thing about standing up for 90 minutes, you know Trump has shown time and again. The man is just, he's a beast. He's a beast. He'll go from state to state and just stand up there you know for however long he does his thing and go on to the next thing. He's tireless. So this is going to be nothing.

Speaker 1: 9:34

And we we talked about this, I think, during the Republican debates you know the prep. We used to refer to it in the army as a as a as a murder board, so as somebody was going in front of a review board or a promotion board or any of these boards that we always have, you know you prep them and you go through and you have people you know sit up there as the board members and they throw questions at them and all it is is a rehearsal. But you're also going through the potential questions, right, and in this case, the potential Trump responses to the questions. To allow president Biden you know, at least you know a book in his head of like, well, if he says this, then I need to say this, but the reality is there's only so much memory bank left. Like they can't.

Speaker 1: 10:15

And I think what you said about you know, um, you know, just trying to force him into that quick response thing. No matter how much they, no matter how much they prep him, it's not going to matter. Like, eventually it's going to get to a point where he's just not going to know what to say and he's going to run out of steam and it's and it's going to be bad.

Speaker 2: 10:32

Yep, yeah, it's going to be a lot of well listen, here's the thing Come on man, I'm not joking, those are his time fillers.

Speaker 2: 10:40

Yeah, those are all of the stall tactics to try and get the synapses firing, and yeah, so I mean those are things that we can hope for in favor of Trump, but it's tough because he's very easy to trigger. All you got to do is bring up the trials. You know that cause, you know he's gonna. You know Biden's angle is going to be, or his team's angle is going to be well, you know he's a, he's a convicted felon, he's a criminal. You know he floats the justice system. You know he does all the things. And you know, and Trump just has to. I just, I just hope he's well prepared for, for all of those in how to react. I mean he's, he's got the answers. He's got the responses. It's just the delivery and uh, and the timing of that. You know.

Speaker 1: 11:27

Well, we've got his first response. I mean we've, we've got it right. Cuomo just came out right and said exactly this If he wasn't running for president, the trial never would have happened. And he's talking about the hush money trial, yeah Right.

Speaker 2: 11:39

And yeah, he was talking to a Bill Maher. We actually have it here. It is Hush money trail.

Speaker 1: 11:43

I don't think they should have brought that one. It was just always going to look like a sex case and people were always just going to look at it that way. So in that case, the attorney general's case in New York frankly should have never been brought. And if his name was not Donald Trump and he wasn't running for president from the former AG in New York, I'm telling you that case would have never been brought.

Speaker 2: 12:02

There it is. That's a pretty explosive statement there from, you know, from a Democrat, uh, new York former governor, who, you know, no matter what he says, I still think he's a piece of garbage, but that's besides the point. So yeah, so that was um pretty interesting. It was a pretty big statement there on his part, you know and that's, that's president Trump's response.

Speaker 1: 12:21

Right, it's written for him.

Speaker 1: 12:22

He doesn't have to say anything else. You know, governor Cuomo, former, you know, attorney General blah blah, blah, blah. He said the same thing that I've been. It's not me saying it, he said it. If it wasn't me, if I wasn't running for president, this case never would have come to court, and that's it, and that's all he has to say.

Speaker 1: 12:45

I hope, say this you would assume, right, but again, you got to hope that he doesn't take the bait, you know. And then you know, and then it's going to roll to the other trials. They're going to bring them all up, you know, and the current one is the raid on Mar-a-Lago for the classified documents. And you know, his defense team has said you know, we're challenging the entire thing based on the Fourth Amendment. You know they. You know the justice department didn't follow due process. They didn't. None of it was done legally, you know, and it's and it's a matter of constitutionality of what they did.

Speaker 1: 13:11

Now, right, you know, and I know that people love to support and or criticize the justice system as it supports them, you know, or doesn't support them. So, you know, you'll hear a lot of people oh well, he's just working the system. These are the same people that work the system themselves, right, absolutely. That's going to be the response. Oh, it's, this is, it's all BS. He's just you know and that's not it. You know, this is either you support the justice system Right, as though, by the way, convicted him as a felon, you know, in the previous trial or you don't, you know, and it's one way or the other. But this is, this is going to come up too and I'll be very interested to see, really on all of these. But, like we said, the hush money trial was kind of the response was written for him, which is awesome, but it'll be very interesting to see how he responds to to this, the rest of the trials.

Speaker 2: 13:59

I don't even part of me wonders, should he even like respond to those? Because it's just, I mean, I guess he's not going to have much of a choice. He's got to give some type of response. But you know, responding to him is going to take up such a length of time of his time that, you know, if he's like defending himself against use of of the Department of Justice and the criminal system and all of that, you know talk about how that is being weaponized by, you know, the Biden administration and how and and back onto them and what they're doing. And you know I hope that he does that because if he just, you know, spends all his time like defending himself, I think that I don't, I just don't think it's going to benefit him.

Speaker 1: 14:56

You know, I think, and truthfully, the fact, if it comes up, which it will, but this is who brings it up. So if it's part of a question from the moderators, which it very well may be, or if it's part of a response from President Biden, I think the immediate response is okay. Well, we're already influencing the trial, just the fact that it's been brought up. We now have presidential interference. We've got interference from the media. Everyone's trying to manipulate this trial. In my last trial, I wasn't even allowed to talk about it in the media. Everyone's trying to manipulate this trial. In my last trial, I wasn't even allowed to talk about it in the media, so my rights were suppressed. But what we're doing right here is media influence, undue influence from the White House. We shouldn't even be talking about this because it's an ongoing trial and then just kind of like that's it. Absolutely Stay out of it. You won't let the court wouldn't let me talk about it. You shouldn't be talking about it no-transcript.

Speaker 2: 16:09

Comment on that. You know say listen, I've already been silenced from speaking, so you know can't take any chances here, who knows oh it's going to be so interesting.

Speaker 2: 16:19

I have this, you know. So, as we said, we're recording Wednesday morning and we'll be watching with you guys. I will actually be, I'll actually be at a Brooks and Dunn concert. So I don't, I don't really know if I'm going to be able to. I might put a you know like one headphone in, and just you know, because I just I don't want to miss anything, don't go to the concert.

Speaker 1: 16:42

You'll catch the highlights later. Perfectly fine, just like we all so bad at just living life. We get wrapped up in this stuff so much. Go to the concert and enjoy it.

Speaker 2: 16:53

It's so true. I mean it's Brooks and Dunn, for goodness sake, jeez, I got to, got to enjoy that. It's a short concert, so you know, I'm sure I'll be able to catch some of it again. More, you know, up there in age, people doing stuff and things that I don't know we'll see. I don't know, we'll see. They're so talented. That's all besides the point, guys, it's just kind of dawning on me. I told you right from the beginning I'm so out of sorts and it's like just dawning on me as we're talking. Oh wait, a minute, I'm going to be at a concert during this debate.

Speaker 2: 17:24

So I will be.

Speaker 1: 17:25

I'm going to I'm actually going tomorrow to, like we said, we're recording Wednesday morning, so Thursday, the day of the debate, I'm going to shoot in a charity shoot. It's a fundraiser for the Alan Lynch Foundation Al I've mentioned him a couple of times on here, before Medal of Honor recipient from Vietnam, his foundation, which does a ton for veterans and veteran education specifically, but a lot of veteran support. They're doing a Clay Target fundraiser shoot which I'm going to shoot in tomorrow and I'll tell you it'll be a fight to stay awake during the debates because it's a day outside it's hot, it's, you know it's going to be all exhausted.

Speaker 1: 17:59

I'll be tired tomorrow night but I'll do the best I can to stay awake during the debates. But I get it. Go enjoy the concert.

Speaker 2: 18:05

I am. I am curious how many people plan on watching. You guys got to drop in the comments If you're watching us. Drop it in the comments If you're going back and forth and watching. I'm just curious, I think I suspect this one.

Speaker 1: 18:17

Yes, that's right.

Speaker 2: 18:28

I mean, that's the, your laptop, that's me, that's my life, Like I usually have all three going at once. So, you know, it's no surprise that my brain is like monkey brain. I call it major monkey brain. But I would imagine that a lot of people are watching this. One Half is probably going to be watching because they want to see Trump mess up, you know, and loses cool and say crazy things, and the other half is watching because they want to see Biden screw up and fumble and bumble and tumble and all of the umbles for him. So I do suspect, unlike you know, the other, like the other debates, the Republican ones and everything, those had, I think, relatively low viewership, but this one, I would think, has got to be pretty high because it's you know, I think in a lot of ways people feel like it's like watching a slow motion train wreck right Again. And that goes towards whoever you're leaning for or against you know, whichever one you're watching.

Speaker 1: 19:18

No, you're right. It's so sad because we really used to watch these things with an eye on. You know their position on specific issues. You know most of it we kind of already knew, but it was always good to hear them articulate specifically what they were going to do based on a specific issue. And now it's not even about that. It's you know. It's about you know what crazy name is Trump going to come up with for Hunter Biden? You know what I mean. Like what's he going to call him? And is you know President Biden going to wander off in the middle of you know?

Speaker 1: 19:47

That's what everybody's watching. They're not watching to know or find out what you know how, how President Biden's going to handle this, since he had you know what is he going to do different from the last four years? What's President Trump going to do different than President Biden and what he did in his previous administration? How are they going to handle new and emerging Like? Where are they at on Israel? Let's hear him say it out loud. Nobody's listening or watching for that. They're watching circus, which is shit. It's terrible, but it's true.

Speaker 2: 20:12

Yeah, yeah, it's sad to see how far we've devolved from civilized conduct, right and discourse and everything, because, you're absolutely right, that's exactly what people are watching for. They're watching for the you know, the circus, like you said, they're watching, they're watching the circus and they've got their popcorn and they're just. You know, they're playing drinking games and I do not advise you people to play drinking games. Watching these things, You're going to go blind drunk.

Speaker 1: 20:41

You will miss work on Friday. Yes, there's no question. You will miss work on Friday.

Speaker 2: 20:44

Yes, there's no kind of don't do that to yourself, Don't, don't overwhelm the, the ER with you know, toxic, uh, alcohol poisoning or something, oh man.

Speaker 1: 20:57

Yeah, we're talking about issues. I mean, that's what we're talking about, that's what we all want to know, right, and the debate's going to be like you said it's going to be brought up. He's a convicted felon, and you know. And then all the trials are going to come up. And then you know, at the very same time, we've got President Biden basically flaunting the law, ignoring the law, and yet again he's, you know, paying off student loans without authorization, using taxpayer dollars. You know, within the scope of his, you know, abilities as a president, which is wrong, it's untrue. And that's what we just had. The attorney general from the state of Missouri, right, missouri, yep, you know Missouri Federal Appeals Court, and the court supported him and said no, the president doesn't have the ability to do this. So now you've got it in the federal court system yet again, saying no, president Biden can't do this.

Speaker 2: 21:47

And you know what he keeps doing it, he keeps doing it.

Speaker 1: 21:51

And right that he just signed some paperwork and they move forward and he doesn't give a crap about the law and nobody. That should be a primary response from president Trump tomorrow night, Like well, you don't care about the law, why should anybody else?

Speaker 2: 22:06

Yes, absolutely, that would be brilliant, yes, absolutely. And Karine Jean-Pierre just basically not basically just came right out and said she's like oh, no, no, no, keep, keep filling out those applications, don't stop filling them out, send them in. This is, this is just a little hiccup. You know basic paraphrasing. She didn't say the word hiccup, just so you know. But yes, they're just saying to keep doing it, don't worry about it. Don't worry about that, that don't worry. Don't worry about any of that legal stuff, that nonsense. We don't care about that.

Speaker 2: 22:36

Yeah, this is crazy, and you know, again, talk about an incredible and you know we could all lose our minds over this as this one on. What a slap in the face. The entire concept is to relieve student loan debts from people who chose knowingly and willingly to take out loans to go to school because they can't afford it. So they take out these loans and now it's just going to get erased, Never mind the people who went to trade school, never mind the people who didn't go to college or whose kids didn't go to college. But now we have to pay for you who decided I don't feel like doing this, like I'm just not going to pay for my loans.

Speaker 1: 23:12

Screw all of you Like. That's insane. The recruiting station was open to everybody GI Bill, whether it was Montgomery GI Bill, post 9-11 GI Bill, however old you are, the recruiting station was open to everybody and, oh, by the way, transferable. My daughter I've talked about this. I was in the Army for 25 years. I contributed to the GI bill. I was pre 9-11. So I was. Montgomery GI bill got transitioned over and thankfully, one of the benefits that came about post 9-11 was the ability to transfer your GI bill to a family member. My daughter went to college, got her degree free of charge, everything paid for from my GI bill. Because? Why? Because I earned it and I contributed to it.

Speaker 1: 24:00

By the way. Everybody else could have done the same thing and I'm going to get the same crap. Well, not everybody qualifies for that, you're right. They don't. Okay, fine, sure, but at the same time, you know that some young man or woman who served their country for four years, contributed to the GI Bill, went and earned it and got themselves some college. That doesn't mean they have to pay back your $200,000 in loans.

Speaker 2: 24:21

Right, thousand dollars in loans, right, so you can get a degree and you know, underwater basket weaving. Yeah, exactly, yes, I, I think I'll put it in here uh, the video, uh, of these new york college students. I forget the university now, I forget the school, um, but they're, they're taunting basically everyone with their degrees, what they got a degree in, and they are the most absurd, nonsensical, non-useful degrees. It's the stupidest thing. Yeah, you're just. It's mind-blowing. I watched the following video twice. It was painful both times, but both times it was with utter shock and disbelief. Watch it with me. Hi, I'm Melanie, I'm studying the unseen body and creative spaces of erasure and exposure to the queer. Hey, I'm Nina and I studied the arts education and social justice.

Speaker 2: 25:10

Just so we're clear this is real life, not a skit, not made up.

Speaker 1: 25:16

I'm Joyce. I study decolonial intimacies and indigenous politics of resistance. I'm Victoria and I study remembering or forgetting navigating international conflict through collective memory.

Speaker 2: 25:24

What.

Speaker 1: 25:25

What? Hi, I'm Kira and I study textiles and environmental justice. Hi, I'm Nunyala, I'm studying living artfully, art as ritual therapy and pathways to decoloniality. I'm Naomi and I'm studying black political economy.

Speaker 2: 25:37

Someone paid for this, someone paid to get a degree in that.

Speaker 1: 25:47

I'm Natalie and I'm studying fashion history and gender studies.

Speaker 2: 25:59

Hi, my name is going through those parents' minds when they realize what their children have gotten out of college. Like they're hard-earned money.

Speaker 2: 26:17

And this is what we're paying for for people to go to school for, and that's just unacceptable. And you know, this administration seems to think that that's totally cool and totally fine because, you know, obviously everything comes down to votes. You know they think, well, you know, you do this, they'll vote for. You know, for us. You know that's that's what it's all about, among other things. I mean, the ultimate thing that this is everything is all about is all about destroying this country. I mean, they are definitely. There's no question about it. They are definitely the goal. The ultimate goal here is to just disassemble our entire structure, our entire system, and they make no bones about it anymore. Really, you know, anybody who's in denial about that is is just that they're just in denial, that's it.

Speaker 1: 26:57

That's it. That's it. It is about, you know, tearing down the foundations of what this country was built on, because, because right now we don't like it, you know what I mean. Like there's, no, there's no acknowledgement of the value of, of what it is or what it was. Whether you agree with it or not, the foundation of our nation is is being torn apart purposefully, like this isn't an accident. So you're, I mean, and they're, you know, this is just another part of it. You know, we're educating people. We are, you know, paying for their education in absurd areas of study which, truthfully, bear very little to no benefit whatsoever to this country.

Speaker 1: 27:37

You know, listen, if these were STEM degrees and there was a payback program, right. So you go for engineering, a technology, science, math, whatever, and you turn around and you contribute to society or the country as a whole and provide some sort of service in research and development or whatever, and there's a loan repayment program for that. I'm all for it. That's great, great, but this is like you know it's. You know crazy off the wall degrees. That you know it's, it's a minuscule. You know work. They're trying to fit themselves into these tiny little holes. You know, in these jobs that in massive corporations they have one of you know in in these jobs, that in massive corporations they have one of right and it's and it's the you know, it's gender studies and all of these other things that that you know if you don't get a job right out of college and you don't get a job, in that you're not qualified to do anything.

Speaker 2: 28:35

Yeah, I mean, what exactly do you do with a degree in? You know the effects of gender, whatever? No, they wouldn't use the word dysphoria, because I think it's a great thing you know for gender identity in small suburbs of Indonesia, you know, like I mean, you know they just come up with they're like the craziest, most convoluted names Like where are you taking that? How are you making a living off of that?

Speaker 1: 28:58

You know what?

Speaker 1: 28:59

that used to be called. That was anthropology. You got a degree in anthropology and you, you know, specialized or dug down into or got hired as an anthropologist to study specific conditions right within humanity, society, whatever. But now they've taken that and they've necked it down so deliberately that you can't do anything else. You can't do general anthropology, you can't Not. That anthropology has got I mean, there's a lot of use to that, but again, it's very, very specific, right, right. A lot of people with anthropology degrees that are teachers right now, because there's not a lot of opportunities in the general scope of anthropology. It is what it is.

Speaker 2: 29:38

And there's a scary thought right there Clay like these people with these absurd degrees. You know where are they going to fit in? Well, there's no. There's no niche for me in this specific field that I thought was so important. I guess I'll just become a teacher. Oh, that's terrifying. How many of these people will go into the teaching profession and will be responsible for educating our children?

Speaker 1: 30:02

our future, you know, our future the future and what you've got to do is people will make that a minor and then they'll go into education and then they carry it forward and and listen, I today's and I worked in the education environment for the last year and a half and I understand that kids are very, very different from you know, when you and I were young, and the environment's very different. And you know the phones and social media are poison and that's probably the bigger cause. The problem is is that you know you have so many younger teachers who are you know they're all part of this. They've been raised on the phone as much as the kids in school have. There's no generational difference anymore.

Speaker 1: 30:45

You know the 23, four-year-olds fresh out of college in their first or second year of teaching. They're the same as the high school kids. They've been raised on social media too. They live on social media. They're buried in their phone in every free minute they have during the daytime and they're the same thing. So you know there's not a lot of separation there. And I know we're like left, turn off a topic, but we're paying for that. Like that's the point of all this. It's like you and I and taxpayers all over the place, of every age and demographic. We're paying for that type of education because these people chose to take on this debt that they can't repay, because they can't get work, because they took a garbage, you know, major, that they can't find employment or they refuse to take employment that's not associated with their degree, and that's the other part.

Speaker 2: 31:30

Yes, yes, yeah, I mean this. This, this problem, like as you start expanding, it becomes bigger and bigger and bigger, like this isn't just a a narrow one issue problem, this is something that the ripple effect of it is is so massive and really pretty catastrophic in every possible way and, um, you know, boy it it. It scares me like that. That education aspect scares me that these are the people that are going to be teaching the children of the future or that are right now teaching them. You know this, this is a incredibly dangerous cycle and I just really pray more and more that more people say no, thank you to public school systems and homeschool their kids or small group school their, their children and get them back to some, just some basic, normal, sane values. You know, I don't care. I don't hear about anybody's gender or our gender identity or their pronouns or their. I don't care. I don't hear about anybody's gender or our gender identity or their pronouns or their. I don't care, I don't.

Speaker 2: 32:24

My kids, obviously not literally my kids. My kids are grown, so we'll say my grandkids, they're going to be homeschooled, so I'm not even worried about it, but let's pretend that they will be my. My grandkids do not need to know your pronouns. My grandkids do not need to know your politics. They don't need to know your opinions, do not need to know your politics. They don't need to know your opinions. They need to know their ABCs. You know the color wheel. They need to know math skills. They need to know you know these are the things that you should be teaching the children, none of the other stuff. And they just yeah, it's just absolute madness. And obviously I'm talking about, you know, those early developmental years, school years, and as they get older, you know, you branch out into broader topics. But this is also the problem too that they start imposing their belief systems and their ideas and their ideologies into their education with no censure at all.

Speaker 1: 33:15

You know, it's just free free will right there, for that You're absolutely correct. I mean, it's, um, it is a hundred percent true. You know teachers, um, you know who, who are on the side of this. You know that they, they, it creeps into everything that they do. It's, it's a simple and and educational institutions are the same way, and and you know, I'm not saying that kids shouldn't have you know places to go and people to talk to when they're confused.

Speaker 1: 33:43

But you know that used to be the guidance counselor. Right, it was kept out of the classroom. Schools have always had this right, right, you know, and and so it's the guidance counselor, and maybe you need a more robust counseling you know department, you know, instead of one or two. Maybe you've got like my high school had a bunch and we were a big school, but that's where you went. All of that stuff stayed out of the classroom for the most part, and I don't see anything wrong with that. But now, like you know, it's, it's everything it's. You know you can't walk into classrooms without immediately seeing, just with your eyes, where the politics of of that teacher. In every room you go into, you can tell where they sit on the political spectrum just by what's hanging on the walls?

Speaker 2: 34:26

Yep, absolutely, and that should be a flat out no. It should be an absolute no. The only things that should be on those walls are educational materials, that's it. Curriculum materials, that's it. Yep, yep. You know, and I think it's going to be a really long time before I mean, I mean a really long time before we see that tide turn, because it's been. This has actually been going on for so long and it's been creeping up to this point, you know, for probably decades really, and now they just they have the free reign. You know, it's that progressive agenda that has always existed, it's always been there, but now it's just they've got all the traction that they, they've been striving for.

Speaker 1: 35:07

Yeah, and listen. You know, all kids all the way up through, including high school and even into college, should be idealists, like every kid. No, no, kid, that young should be jaded by the real world and and turned into a realist. You know, 35 year old who's got a mortgage and two kids, like they should. They should be idealist, they should have liberal thoughts. They should be, you know, trying to make the world a better place.

Speaker 1: 35:31

But there comes a time when the realism sets in. Yeah, right, and, and you know what this is doing. This loan repayment is all that is doing is delaying right, reality setting it. Because when you're 28 and you're married and you've got your first kid and you've got a mortgage, and then somebody goes, oh, all that responsibility from when you were younger, oh, we're just going to wipe that away. And you go, oh, life's good, life's easy. But you know and, and you know, there's the the reality is not there, like it should be, um, taking responsibility for your own decisions. So you know, you can, we can argue the merits of this, the ideology of this, but the reality is is that this is a burden that you're just passing off on somebody else. There's no such thing as free right. You pay for this, I pay for this, other taxpayers pay for this, and who's not paying for it are the people who are benefiting from it, and that's what sucks.

Speaker 2: 36:21

So, yeah, absolutely that. That is really it. In a nutshell, clay, I mean you just hit it right on the head because that's, I mean, that's what it is You're. You're just delaying responsibility, accountability, all of those things, and you're talking about people who are now, you know, legal, literal adults, who are getting allowed being allowed to exist like freeloading children and some of them are in office, oh by the way, yeah, yes, yes, and we know a couple yeah, our friend from new york behaving like a, like a 19 year old, right as an elected official oh my gosh, this is so I.

Speaker 2: 36:56

I have the video and it's. I'm just going to play it.

Speaker 2: 37:29

I'm just going to play it. Sorry about that, I don't know about y'all. I mean this girl did she go to the Hillary Clinton school of change your accent or your dialect, whatever? For every group that you face? This is a huge and I just want to focus on that for a minute because it annoys the daylights out of me every time I see them do this stuff. This is a huge Democrat thing to do. They pander to whatever group they're speaking to and it is such an insult. I mean I have seen that girl, we've all seen that girl talk in every different kind of way depending on who she is targeting for her stupid silly rants that she does. This one takes the cake. Now she's got Cardi B and I don't know this because I recognize. I know it because somebody else had said that you know Cardi.

Speaker 1: 38:22

B, which is a filthy, it's on your playlist. Oh, totally, cardi B's on your playlist All day long.

Speaker 2: 38:27

I listen to those songs All day, right after you know it's mixed in with all my Christian music.

Speaker 1: 38:33

Brooks and Dunn Cardi B. Yeah, it's right in there.

Speaker 2: 38:37

Yeah, so the background is blaring some Cardi B who is? If you don't know who she is, save yourself, don't even Don't look it up. I can tell you that she is a very vulgar, disgusting rap artist. I use that term very lightly, and so that's what's blaring in the background. So we already know who we're targeting here, or who she's targeting here. And there's like 50 people there. She's got like, she's got like a, it's just like a little ring of people and they're, you know, making it look and sound like she's got this massive crowd cheering her on.

Speaker 1: 39:33

You remember her at the border a few years ago, standing there looking through the fence, crying, and then somebody takes a different angle and it's literally like the end of the fence that you could walk around. She's a manipulator, just like you said. She changes her tone, her delivery, the vernacular, the vocabulary she uses, depending on who she's talking to. Because, you know, in Congress, unless she wants to get down right and she's had a few arguments with people where she does drop down like that in how she addresses people but she has the capability to be very clear. She has the capability to speak, you know, with a very professional, you know political tone. She just chooses to manipulate. This is the same as President Biden. You know, if you don't vote for me, you ain't black and it's like what Talking about.

Speaker 2: 40:22

Hillary Clinton saying she always carries a bottle of hot sauce.

Speaker 1: 40:26

That was the biggest bunch of crap I've ever heard in my life. That lady is from Illinois, right From the super white suburbs of Chicago, and then went to an all girls private school. Right, there's no hot sauce in her frigging purse. But you're right. This is exactly exactly right in that they manipulate everything and her buddy just lost his primary last night from the squad. Why the two biggest things? One is the fire alarm right, which nobody forgot about, which he really hoped they did.

Speaker 2: 41:02

The first thing I thought of when I saw that name.

Speaker 1: 41:04

Right, the fire alarm is one and two. It came out just a few weeks ago power brokers like people in positions of power, asking for pictures of them together so that he could use that so that he could get Jewish votes and all this other stuff. So everybody sees through the bullshit, because that's what it is.

Speaker 2: 41:32

That's what it is.

Speaker 1: 41:33

Pandering to specific populations and demographics at specific times and you know it's all coming apart. And as much as I hate social media and I hate the phone, the phone and the social media is what's doing this, because nothing is unrecorded. Now Everything comes out. You can't hide and the internet is undefeated. It doesn't go away.

Speaker 2: 41:54

Yeah, that is so true. It's like every single time, and I don't care who you are, I don't care what side of the aisle you're on, I don't care what you know any of the things anything that you have said or done and shared or posted, or somebody took a video of you saying, or you took a video of yourself saying or doing whatever is come back, it will come back. It will come back to bite you. I don't care who you are, I don't care how long ago it was. I mean, these are people. There are people who spend their time just scouring, you know, going back in, you know, going through posts like that to what you said in 2016, and they're going to share it and you're going to get caught. And you know, here's another, you know, perfect example of that. I think he also.

Speaker 2: 42:36

There was also some controversy with him about some things that he posted Again, another case of you know, things that you say on the internet. We'll come back. I guess he was partaking in some conspiracy theories about 9-11 and was sharing those thoughts and you know, if he thought he got rid of those, he did not, because somebody found him and pulled him up again. You know, and again, I'm not, I don't really have a problem with conspiracy theories, you know, but there's certain ones. If you're, if you're projecting or pretending to be a certain way and now you say some things that might contradict it, you had a problem.

Speaker 1: 43:27

If you're in New York City, if you're in Washington DC, if you're in eastern Central, eastern Pennsylvania, you know are are of the mindset of conspiracy theories about nine 11. Okay, fine, you are going to have to deal with the population that lived through that. Yes, and again, if you honestly believe some of those conspiracy theories that the government did it, and all fine, that's your. But you understand the voting population that you're dealing with and their personal feelings. You know, right, they live through that stuff. It is very personal, it touches very close to home and when you're somebody like that, people don't forget that stuff. Right, that doesn't go away and you have to bear the brunt of your decision and that's.

Speaker 1: 43:57

You know, all these people who are purging. You know, there there's, there's a, uh, a new, and I don't. It was one of those, like, I looked at it and it was a new president Biden nominee, something, some, whatever, some guy just dumped 2,500 social media posts trying to cleanse his background. Wow, and I'll have to go back and look and see who it was. It was one of those flash, you know, kind of came across. But that's what people are doing now. They're erasing their own past because the Internet is undefeated, it doesn't go away.

Speaker 2: 44:29

Yep, absolutely, absolutely. And the sooner people realize that, the better off they'll be. You know, you think of all these people, young people, you know, going for jobs now, and this has been going on for a while.

Speaker 1: 44:42

You know, that's the first thing.

Speaker 2: 44:43

That's the first thing you do. I don't care who you are, it's the first thing, no matter what. When my daughter who? Or my older daughter, she was single. No, no, you may not date her guys. No, it's just a no. And I don't care who you are, it's just a no. But you know, she is like on the dating scene and if she the second, she gives me a name. What's the first thing I'm doing? You?

Speaker 2: 45:04

better believe I'm searching his whole, like I, will have his entire life history within minutes, you know, and I'll be like nope, he's got to go. Nope, and there are sites.

Speaker 1: 45:16

Yeah, there are people who are social media sleuths, yeah, yeah, there are people who are social media sleuths right, and you know like they may not be employed to do that, but they're really good at it. I know that my first job after I retired, you know I was managing in the business world and within 10 minutes she would have the whole, like that person's whole life pulled off of social media. You can't hide from it. And there are people like I. You know one. I don't necessarily put forth the time and effort, but I'm fairly confident now in the HR world that is a learned or even a trained skill.

Speaker 1: 45:55

Like that you can't hide from that stuff. And if you're a politician, you know that stuff's out there and it's never a politician or a celebrity. Think of Kevin Hart. You know, oh yeah, that 12 years apologized for it Once had, you know all that stuff lost the Oscars or the Emmys or whatever it was show that he lost because of that stuff, like they. That's what people are doing now is they are purging their entire past to, to give themselves an opportunity to hold public office or be in the public eye, but deny who they are and have been, because they know what's wrong.

Speaker 2: 46:28

Yeah, yeah. There are so many examples of it. I you know. Christy Teigen is a perfect example of getting right, I mean that girl, step in it.

Speaker 2: 46:37

I mean, in numerous ways, you know people it's like, well, and it could you know. And I'm not necessarily saying that it's a good or a great thing, it's just simply a thing, it's just simply a fact, you know. I think you know, as part of that whole cancel culture stuff, you know people getting canceled over. You know something that they said you know 10, 10, 12, 15, whatever years ago, and that it may not reflect who they are today. Yeah, absolutely, I was a prolific foul mouth swearer, you know, in earlier days and even as recently as like a year or two ago, and I've started curbing that. Do I still swear? Yes, I still swear.

Speaker 2: 47:16

You can just go back to probably our last episode and I dropped a few bombs, you know so. But I make now, I make a very conscious effort to minimize that and, you know, try and eliminate it to some degree. But yeah, somebody could go back to a post from a you know like a year or so ago and be like, woo, she's dropping a whole bunch of F-bombs here. Look at what she said. A lot of stuff that was you know. And I'd be like, yeah, I did because that's you know, I felt that it was okay, then I okay, then I don't feel that it's okay Now for me. I've just simply, I've changed, I've grown, I've changed, I've evolved, you know. So I think everybody should get that same grace of potentially evolving and changing. But then, you know, then you have cases. It's it's gotta be like a case by case thing. Is this an example of somebody's true character or is this just a something of somebody evolving and their opinions changing and you know not that guy.

Speaker 2: 48:02

No, they're not, Definitely not. That's. It's very clear that it's not. You know, you look at he's working you can add up multiple things and say well, he did this, and then he did this, and then he did this. You know, and it's, he's pretty consistently um crappy.

Speaker 1: 48:18

Yeah, he's working the system. That's who he is. It has nothing to do with with evolving growth. Education, you know, informing himself, any maturing, any of that stuff has nothing to do with any of it. All of it is him manipulating the system to try and stay in office. That's all. Yeah, that guy is to his own benefit. That's all he's about.

Speaker 2: 48:36

Absolutely, hey, we put a lot of things on our plate here to talk about.

Speaker 1: 48:39

I we we have a few minutes. Do you think we can cover that last topic we wanted to cover of defense? Right For different. You know they have different silos that they work in, but one of the undersecretaries just came out the other day and talked about it was talking about DEI, the LGBTQ community and all of those things right, and she was hiding behind the two words that you see at the bottom there. One of them is readiness, which the military uses to justify everything. It's like in the civilian work environment. When you say safety, like we need this for the safety of our workers, readiness is the exact same bell that you get in the military. Readiness is everything right. And then, of course, national security. But so the problem is is in the adjustment that's not being made? Is you know, as the undersecretary was up there and she was talking about, you know, the service of the LGBTQ community and their inclusion and all of these things and how it is integral to the readiness of our military and it is an important part of national security? Ok, here's the problem is that we've all we've talked about this on the show is that readiness is about being able to, being prepared to and able to fight wars.

Speaker 1: 50:06

Okay, equipment readiness, personnel readiness, all of those things right now are all volunteer army, because the military, the DOD, has decided to essentially kowtow and pander to the very, very loud 1%. They are losing probably 50% of the population. You know it used to be. It used to be people volunteered for patriotic reasons and the military kind of knew, hey, once we get them in and once we get them in uniform, you know they're going to abide by whatever policies and procedures and you know we can, you know, inflict whatever form of abuse we choose. You know, until the, you know inflict whatever form of abuse we choose. You know, until the, and some of them will stay. Guys like me, you know, I stayed a long time and some folks will do four years and get out.

Speaker 1: 50:51

But now they're, they're losing people before they even sign up because of, again, social media. They can't hide what's going on in the military from an eight, from an 18 year old, of all people, because theyear-old knows what's going on because of their phone, right, they see what's going on. And oh, by the way, you have thousands of young service members who are social media influencers, right, see it all the time. They're in their car, right, always in their car in uniform name US Army, us Air Force, whatever name tapes, their rank displayed, all that stuff and they are spouting off, right, they are both the best and worst recruiting tools for the military, right, right, yeah so, but in the grand scheme of things, when the messaging is coming from the undersecretary of defense and she is talking about the mandatory it's so important for readiness and national security they've got it backwards. She's alienating they. Dod is alienating a much larger part of the population who is choosing not to serve as a result of this, in total conflict with everything that DOD is spouting.

Speaker 1: 52:03

And listen, I'm not saying that the contributions of that community are not important. What I'm telling you is the vast majority of the population is being ignored. They're being, their values, their beliefs, they're all being pushed to the side to. You know, to, to kowtow to this, and it's being, it's being clouded by the words. Those words readiness and national security. Let's be realistic. It's not a matter of national security that a demographic that is less than 1% of the population serves.

Speaker 1: 52:34

It's not Okay. Is it great if they do? Sure it is. Does it bring diversity to the force? Sure it does. Does it bring a different set of eyes and a different set of ears? Sure, it does.

Speaker 1: 52:44

But more importantly, can they fight? Do they contribute? Are they good at their job? That's what's important, not their gender identity, not their race, not their religion, not their. I personally don't care if it's a male or a female. Can they carry an 80 pound rucksack? Can they drag 170 pound man with another 80 pounds worth of gear out of a firefight? Can they do that? That's what matters. The rest of that crap doesn't matter. It really really doesn't when it boils down to it. So you know, this is, this is one of those very, very testy things with me. That that you know because I know. You know it's a, it's the, the bell. You know, you hear the bell of readiness and I heard that bell rung a million times over the years that I was in and we fought hard to make sure we were ready to go fight pre and post 9-11. And let me tell you something. It has nothing to do with that crap, nothing, maybe even if it's a larger force, it doesn't matter, truthfully, right.

Speaker 2: 53:43

Yeah, this is actually really a perfect wrap-up of kind of all of the topics, because, you know, we're talking about a softening of our society, of our youth, of the people that we need to step up and take the reins and be the future generation, the future leaders, the future protectors, currently as well, not just future, like right now. We need this, not just future, like right now. We need this, we need strength, we need masculinity, and this society, this culture, is deliberately making a soft community. A soft society is what I mean, and you know. And so, because they can't, they can't fight, they can't, they need safe spaces for everything. They need to talk about their feelings all the time they need.

Speaker 2: 54:27

You know they don't, they don't understand or believe that they should have to work for eight hours in a row in a day. You know, a 40 hour work week is too much and it shouldn't be expected of them and it's unfair. They think that their student debt should be paid off, even though they're the ones that took them out. You know, I mean this is, this is such a deliberate deconstruction of everything and this is like the final and greatest and really, to me, the most terrifying example of that that you know, the people that they are catering to and trying to get into these branches of service where, like you said, we need fighters, we need people that are willing to get dirty, to get mean, you know, and to do the things that the rest of us can't imagine doing, and these are not the people that are going to do it.

Speaker 1: 55:11

Sorry, I'll give you one more thing that will potentially cause you a little bit of sleepless nights. So, in the grand scheme of our military and I you know I've talked about this multiple times in multiple places is, if we're going to mobilize right, because we heard that during COVID right, this was, oh, mobilizing the industrial base. Right, they took the Ford factories and they made them where they could make, what was it? Respirators and put them. You know, the ventilators and all that stuff. You know, if we go into a full-scale, massive conflict China-Russia kind of war, right, tank on tank kind of thing Our military right now is highly technological and to replace destroyed equipment takes people to work in factories. Take that exact same base of people that you're talking about, yep, who don't want to get dirty, who don't want to work, and think about it in the context of mobilizing the industrial base and saying that Ford plant that makes F-150s is now making this piece of military equipment. Oh, by the way, all of you people who like to drive your electric cars, your Priuses, that factory is also not making Priuses anymore, it's making this. Oh, by the way, we need all of you to go work there. Oh, well, I have a degree in gender studies. You don't need me to work, no, we need you to work there.

Speaker 1: 56:34

You know I don't do those sorts of things. I don't believe in conflict. Nobody cares, right? We? We don't have the ability as a nation right now to mobilize our industrial base to support full scale conflict to defend this nation. It doesn't exist Everybody who thinks that we can go back to World War Two, rosie the Riveter and all that other stuff. It's not happening, because not only do we have not have the American youth to serve in the military, as is being shown, to serve in the military, as is being shown, we also don't have the workforce, right, who refers to work at McDonald's? Because it's below them. They're not gonna go work in a factory to make tanks and airplanes and guns and artillery pieces and all that other stuff. They're not going to do it. So our ability, from nuts to bolts, to service people, all that to defend this nation in a time of massive conflict, I, I, I will tell you with absolute zero hesitation, does not exist right now.

Speaker 2: 57:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I, I, yeah, there's no argument for me on that. I see that everywhere I turn and and all I can say is, you know, if the you know what hits the fan on our home soil here, um, you better believe I am trucking my ass and my family's ass right over to Florida, any one of our southern states, because our good old boys and our tough girls there in those states, you know, at least you got a little bit of a fighting chance for a little while there, because they're, you know they're, they're your down home hard hitting. You know, don't give a, you know what ready to fight people. And you know, don't give a, you know what ready to fight people. And those are the ones I want to be around and those are the ones I want to be, you know, next to when things go wrong. Not in, you know, not in some college town. I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 1: 58:13

It's just it's not right now. The evidence is not there that our nation has the ability to do that as a population. It's just not there.

Speaker 2: 58:20

Yep, it's very, very scary, it's very disheartening, and boy oh boy. I mean we just better buckle up, because I think there's a lot of things that are going to go wrong before they start going right, and I think we are in the midst of, and also heading into, more of a dark, dark times.

Speaker 1: 58:37

November matters.

Speaker 2: 58:38

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 58:39

November matters Like this. This is real stuff, like probably more so than we've seen in a very long time. November really really matters, and it is the president, but it's everything. It's Congress, it's all of it. November definitely is going to. The next four years, as determined by November, are going to be huge for the future and survival of this nation.

Speaker 2: 58:57

I just feel it in my bones. Yeah, I agree, 100%, 100%. One of these times I'm going to disagree with you on something, but not as of yet Sooner or later.

Speaker 2: 59:06

Sooner or later we'll find something. But yeah, no, guys, we want to hear your thoughts and your perspectives as well, as always. You know that already, but I have to tell you I'd be remiss if I did not. We loved hanging out with you. We hope we gave you a little reprieve from the crazy debate if you've been going back and forth and we'll give our own little recap of that on the next show, as well as whatever else we feel like talking about next week.

Speaker 1: 59:29

As always and more and more relevant every day. But for me, keep moving, keep shooting.

Speaker 2: 59:36

Take care guys.