Discussing Drug Policies and Humanitarian Aid Amidst Political Evolution

Amid the warmth of family news, with the anticipation of becoming a grandparent again, we segue into a deep-dive exploration of the latest CDC guideline revisions for COVID-19. The reception of these updated recommendations paints a vivid picture of a society in transition, where a virus once feared now simmers down to the level of the common cold. We consider the lasting marks this pandemic will leave on our culture—will future generations muse over an era where social distancing markers are curious relics of the past?

Navigating through the political landscape, our dialogue turns reflective as we analyze the toll of government policies on societal health and personal relationships. Witnessing the aging process of our community members post-isolation and acknowledging the emotional strains brought on by the pandemic, we stress the significance of accountability from elected officials, particularly with the November elections on the horizon. The skepticism towards recent government actions raises questions about the preservation of our essential infrastructure and highlights the need for a critical post-election review.

Concluding our thought-stirring conversation, we tackle the contentious topic of drug legalization and its ripple effect on society, weighing the potential hazards against the perceived benefits. Delving into the strategy behind U.S. humanitarian aid to Gaza, we scrutinize the political and optics-driven nature of government decisions. The boldness emerging within the Democratic Party, challenging traditional stances on the Israel-Gaza conflict, signals a shift in the status quo. As we anticipate the spectacle of the upcoming State of the Union address, we're reminded of the pageantry that has come to define modern politics. Join me for an episode that's as raw and earnest as the discussions you're yearning for.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Well, good evening everyone, and good evening to you. Clay, how you doing, I'm good. Elsa, how are you? I am good, I'm good. I'm excited for tonight's show. It's going to be a good one. Not that the other ones aren't good, but this is. We got some big topics. I'm excited.

Speaker 2: 0:17

Yeah, as folks know, we normally record on Tuesday. Today is Super Tuesday, so we don't know what the outcome is going to be. You guys will know by the time this airs. We will all know what the results of Super Tuesday are, so keep that in mind as you're watching. But yeah, it's a big day, big day all the way around, so yes, indeed.

Speaker 1: 0:38

All right, let's get this intro out of the way and then we'll get started. Oh my goodness. So listen. So actually, before we get started, I want to start off on an actual personal note here that I didn't share with you beforehand. We are on Active Baby Watch right now for Grand Baby Number Three. She's actually due on the 20th. So, as Clay said today, for us right now, us recording is Tuesday, the 5th. This airs on the 7th, so there is a very good chance that I could be in Florida as you guys watch this. I'll be watching it with you, but yes, because she did say she's not sure, but she's feeling kind of, possibly. So the doctors that keep an eye on it. I have three tabs open on my computer here with flights ready to go. I'm supposed to fly out on the 13th, but so, everybody, we will see, and if there is a baby to be told about, I will share it in the comments with you guys on Thursday. But that's my personal note I wanted to share with everybody.

Speaker 2: 2:03

So you said this is number four. Number three this is baby number three, and all three are her.

Speaker 1: 2:10

Yes.

Speaker 2: 2:11

She knows whether this is happening or not.

Speaker 1: 2:13

Oh yeah, yeah, she's like, yeah, you should just keep those flight tabs open, just in case. So yeah, it could be any moment. It could be right after this show I could be trying to find a flight out. But yes, so it's crazy town over there. So she has a two year old, a one year old and baby on the way.

Speaker 2: 2:39

Yeah, she's gonna need your help.

Speaker 1: 2:40

She's definitely gonna need your help oh yeah, she's got an amazing support system there. Her husband is an absolute sweetheart. He's terrific with the kids. Her mother-in-law and father-in-law are there. They're wonderful, yeah, so she's got huge support system there, but there's nothing like mommy. There's nothing like mommy being there to help, of course. So I keep telling her oh, all right, so that's that. That is the personal note out of the way. Let's get right down to business. We're talking CDC guideline change. So this is kind of funny to me in a way, clay. I have to be honest, because my first reaction when I saw this was to go. Is anybody paying attention to those? Still, who's listening to that? And then I remember wait, there are still people walking around with masks on. So, yeah, there are people who are paying attention.

Speaker 2: 3:38

It's crazy. Yeah, it was funny to me. I had the same kind of reaction like are we? We haven't heard from the CDC in a while? Like this is odd. But folks, this has to do with COVID and it's the new COVID guidelines and there are businesses out there that still abide by these things, especially when it comes to do they have to pay people for time off and what are their own internal policies when somebody tests positive for COVID and the quarantine that's been required and all of these other things. So the new CDC guideline is if you don't feel sick and you're not showing symptoms, whether you test positive or not, you don't have to stay home. So basically, covid is now a cold. That's where it is a cold.

Speaker 1: 4:31

That's quite a jump from just a couple short years ago that we all still have trauma, from which was what the 10 day isolation period was what their recommendation was at the time. Besides, you know, besides the complete lockdown and shutdown of everything, the entire universe shut down and was locked away for fear of this scary scary except Walmart and stores.

Speaker 2: 5:03

Now that was okay, we were fine with that. We had plexiglass, which did absolutely nothing. Right, we were a mask. Remember the little feet on the floor. This is all going to become like when we're about 20 years from now. We're going to have like. Those are going to be whatever. The mean is whatever that means 20 years from now.

Speaker 2: 5:23

That's, you're going to see. You're going to see two green feet on the floor or a double ended arrow that says six feet, or something like that. And it's like, if you're old enough to know what this is, you can drink now, or you can. You probably need a colonoscopy or something like that. Those, all of those things are going to come back to haunt us. It's going to be all those years.

Speaker 1: 5:41

Yeah, you are so eerily right. That is so accurate of what what's going to happen, what it's going to be. It's going to be like part of a drinking game or something. Yeah, yeah, remember that. The one, one of so many things, got me scratching my head, but one of the things I remember, really kind of changing my perspective, you know because I was like everywhere.

Speaker 1: 6:05

I think in the very beginning we were all scared. We were all scared which is the whole point that you know how it got to the way it was and in the way people still are some people. But then you start seeing things and you're seeing people with surgical gloves on, you know, with their latex gloves on and their mask, and they're walking into the store and they're they're like reaching their hand underneath their mask, with their glove on, to like scratch their nose. And then they're picking up something and handing it over and some other person. And it was like one of those moments where you kind of a hang on.

Speaker 1: 6:43

I'm not a doctor and I might not be the brightest person in the world, but even I'm sitting here going. That doesn't really seem right, like if this is as bad and as scary as they're saying it is. And I'm not saying people didn't die, I'm not saying that at all but I am saying some things did not add up. Like where are all the biohazard waste containers to put those gloves and masks on, because I'm pretty sure I saw a lot of them in the parking lots all over the place, you know. So I would be.

Speaker 2: 7:19

I'd be willing to bet the two biggest pieces of trash. For years it was the plastic bag, but if you go to the landfills, the two biggest things you're gonna find are masks and gloves Without gloves, yeah, I think you're right, they're gonna be everywhere.

Speaker 2: 7:36

They are everywhere and we went to the non-disposable, the t-shirt material, just cause it was comfortable. I remember I think it was. It was a couple of years ago flying just started to become normal again. People were still. I think it was kind of on the edge if you didn't have to wear a mask on a plane anymore. But I looked over and I looked down the aisle and a guy like three I think he was across the aisle, so maybe a couple of three seats over, and the window was open and he had a mask on his face. But it was a screen you could see right through, you could see the light through it and I'm like we've lost our minds.

Speaker 2: 8:15

Like this is we have become so dumb at this point it's not even funny. This is, you know, this is what research does and this is how much time research takes, and I understand that we made a lot of decisions then based on a lot of bad guesses. You know, the ventilator thing turned into be. That was just a tragedy. You know, oh my God. They come in the hospital, they get diagnosed, put them on a vent and it ended up that was killing them, that was literally killing people Literally.

Speaker 2: 8:45

But this, you know, we did the vaccines with no research. We did the vaccines with no testing. We did, you know, and then they were mandated, you know. And then we said, you know, the grocery store was okay but church wasn't okay. You know, we did all of those things that we did were all knee jerk reactions. Every one of them was politicized. You know doctors, you know when you've got doctors divided on how to handle a medical issue and I'm not talking one or two, I'm talking clear lines of division across the entire medical community. About medication no medication, vent, no vent. You know immunization versus. You know, the vaccine versus not all of those things. And there are so many people, as you pointed out, who's still to this day. You see them driving by themselves in their car with a mask on you know walking their dog out in the fresh open air.

Speaker 2: 9:48

That to me is like yeah, it's been a couple of months and they have said, unless it's an N95, it does nothing. Surgical masks, t-shirt mask they've come out and said it it does absolutely nothing. I still see people every day wearing a mask and knowing publicly you know that it does nothing, still wearing. It's crazy.

Speaker 1: 10:11

Yep, I just saw somebody. Well, I mean, I see lots of somebodies, but I noticed this woman in particular in Trader Joe's yesterday, yeah, yesterday, and yeah, it's just sad. You know I can't even. It's hard, you know I make fun. I won't say you make fun, you know I make fun. I say look at this one. You know all that stuff. But you know, when it comes down to it, really it's so sad to see what this has done to people, to their mental health, to, you know, to their psyche, and it is really really sad.

Speaker 1: 10:48

I remember one of the things that really really struck me, like when we first started getting let out of our cages, you know, and like blinking at the light, you know, when we start congregating again or started congregating again in places, in just like a short period of time, a matter of months or a year, we'll say a year how much people physically changed. That blew my mind, Like people that we used to see every week. You know I've mentioned before that my husband, you know, plays drums on the side. He's in a couple of bands and we used to go all the time, every single week, couple of times a week, couple of few times a week, to either open mics or see other bands play, all that kind of stuff. So these were people we saw every single week and then we didn't see them for like a year, basically, and the first time we all started getting back together again, it was shocking. They were so aged and I'm not saying that we weren't, you know, maybe we were, I don't really know. I wasn't obviously Sure, of course, of course everybody else was, but they were so aged by the whole thing and that was so sad to me to see that and you see it everywhere, that that's the case. You know, it's just depressing, very depressing.

Speaker 1: 12:14

And you know, looking at seeing the comparison of, like, the things that we know now, the things that a lot of people were saying all along, and we're getting, you know, ostracized for saying it and banned and blocked and, you know, villainized for, and now we're all coming to light, and now they're saying, yeah, that's well, actually you know this, that and the other thing. And there are still people, though, that don't know this, like I think they don't know this or they refuse to admit that they know, because then they would have to basically apologize to all the people that they were like horrendous to. I know people and I'm sure we all do. You probably know people as well. I know people whose families that used to get together, all of the very close knit families, don't speak anymore because of that, because of COVID, because of the vaccines, the differing opinions and like this drove families apart, among many other things. It's sad.

Speaker 2: 13:17

And I'll tell you that. You know, it's one of those things that you keep seeing, I keep seeing float around social media and it is as true as anything else that's out there and that is remember everything that happened from the beginning of the pandemic. Now, and remember that when November rolls around, because it's the same people, the people who dictated how you had to live your life, where you could go, shut down businesses, put people out of work, and now are claiming that they've generated all these new jobs that they destroyed in the first place three years ago. Right, it's all the same people, and I don't care what party it is, because they were all colluding together on this, Maybe a little bit more on one side than the other, but if they were in government at the time and they didn't fight on the daily to stop the madness, then they're complicit like everybody else.

Speaker 2: 14:12

But you all need to remember that when it rolls around in November, who was responsible for this? And because this is for an entire generation of people. This is a calendar mark event Like where were you, how old were you, what school were you going to? What was your job? Like. It's not an incident like Kennedy or 9-11 or Pearl Harbor or something like that.

Speaker 2: 14:36

This is a great depression, right, Pandemic kind of a thing that we all are gonna remember, and but we can't let it fade from our memory when it comes to how our own government treated us and what it did to all of us and our livelihoods and restricted our jobs and the impact on our children who were in school at the time. All of those things. We can't forget this when it comes time to vote in November. Look it up, look up the voting record of your representation blue or red, don't care. See how they voted when it came to COVID related things, and make sure that they understand that you're not gonna tolerate that crap again, Because after this election cycle, God knows what's coming around the bend.

Speaker 1: 15:25

Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely, that is 100% true, and I know it in my bones that there is going to be a next thing. And they found out. The most important thing, the most important takeaway for those people we're talking about, these elite people in power, is that, yes, you can control the masses. You absolutely can you scare them, scare them, scare them enough, and you have control. Can they do the same thing? I don't think so. You can't pull another COVID on us, because I think there are enough people now that will say absolutely not, not doing it, not buying it. So they will come up with something else. There will be something else, and I know I sound like one of the conspiracy theorists get my tinfoil hat, but I don't think I'm wrong.

Speaker 2: 16:25

so there, Listen, you don't have to dig, you don't have to go too far down the rabbit hole to find things to be so yourself. I mean, how many you know railroad derailments have there been? How many food processing plant fires has there been? The wildfires in Texas right now, the fires in Hawaii, like all of that there's. There's so much of that stuff going on that is different from any time in the past.

Speaker 2: 16:54

You can't help to be at least somewhat skeptical, like you. Like you said, it's not full-out tinfoil hat kind of stuff you can explain away, not explain away, but you can put some credence behind. You know infrastructure not being maintained like it should be, the railways and those kinds of things. But again, even if it's not conspiracy, even if it is fact and they just haven't been maintaining the railways, whose fault is that? It's the federal government. So it doesn't matter if they did it on purpose or it's due to negligence, it's still their fault. So you know, there's still responsibility. It has to be maintained and and we all know where it lies. Yeah, it's amazing the people who believe in big government and support big government, except when it's time to blame the government and then they don't think so. Yeah, and I it's amazing to me, but yeah, we'll have. We'll just, we'll all have to sit by and watch, you know, yes, and figure out what's coming next, and just continue to be, be vigilant, be skeptical. That's all we can do.

Speaker 1: 17:58

Yes, absolutely yeah, I think. I think that is really the key takeaway to keep a very healthy sense of skepticism in your pocket at all times, in all things. Stop believing Everything you've seen and you know more still than ever. You know the past couple episodes we talked about and we won't go into it, just touching on it very quickly. We talked about AI, this, all this artificial stuff that you can basically Deep, fake anything and anyone at any time. The internet is filled with Fake news, basically fake things, fake everything. Be skeptical, for goodness sake. You know it's Beyond necessary at this point. So yes and yeah, since we're on the track of things our government does and says let's let's talk about, let's talk about this. Well, I mean, who, I don't know who, who could have ever seen this coming down the pike? That Legalizing drugs, hard drugs possession, is bad? Who would ever think that? I so baffling to me. I'm stunned by this change of course.

Speaker 2: 19:19

Obviously, I'm being so plastic guys so Oregon, which you know, truthfully, is like the hotbed of liberalism. I mean that whole Pacific Northwest is is. You know it's, it's everywhere, it literally is embedded in everything you know, talk about, talk to people and really, if you go, I won't say the whole state of California, but you know from the Bay Area, right? I mean San Francisco, oakland is crazy, and then you know LA's, it's all kind of crazy, but but anyway. So Oregon for people that don't know and probably close their eyes because of the Absurdity of this entire thing, I think it was 2020. They decriminalized maybe just 2021. They decriminalized everything, up to and including, I think, black tar, heroin.

Speaker 1: 20:09

Um, yeah, yeah, I have, I have, like I have a partial list you ready, uh, yeah synthetic. They okayed decriminalized synthetic opioid, fentanyl, as well as heroin, cocaine and methamethanphetamine. Sounds like a great idea.

Speaker 2: 20:29

Go on so the idea was that if you gave people access to it, that it could be Regulated and oh, by the way, taxed. It was supposed to be a moneymaker for the state that they were gonna turn around and use for Treatment programs for people on the very same drugs. It's kind of like how the lottery money is supposed to go to education and tolls are supposed to fix the highways, and none of that seems to be working anyway. You know, this one was for that and they didn't regulate it. Well, they didn't like they. None of it worked out the way it was supposed to. The only thing that came out of it which is what we all anybody with a half a brain anticipated, was overdose. Deaths skyrocketed.

Speaker 1: 21:13

Right through the roof.

Speaker 2: 21:15

Yeah, and that's why they flipped this over. That's like this whole well, we, we. We Defunded the police and we shrunk the police force, and then we decriminalized drugs and now all these people are dying. We don't understand what happened.

Speaker 1: 21:31

It's so weird, so strange. You know I'm not laughing because it's funny, that this is like horrified Laugh. You know it's like Gallows humor, like you have to laugh because the insanity of it will make you scream. You know the stupidity nevermind insanity the stupidity, the, the greediness, the callousness, the carelessness of these things, and you hit it right on the head. This was about making money, getting money and Not caring at all About any sense of reality, that you know, if you give free reign to addicts, they're going to die, they're going to overdose, they can't that. That's the whole Premise of addiction, that you don't have control over yourself, like that. And you know they're like no, no, no, no, no, this is gonna work out really good, it's gonna be great, it's gonna be great. And you know funny thing, you know, speaking about AI and Google and all of those things which I didn't mention Google just a moment ago, but in the past I did, we did.

Speaker 1: 22:39

I Wanted to pull up some images of Oregon, of Portland, specifically of what it looks like today, right now. So I did a Google search and you know, according to Google, it looks gorgeous. Yeah, perfect, if you look, now go do it guys. Well, don't do it now because we're talking here, but after we're done, go, or you can open up another tab. I'll let you. I'll let you go ahead and open another tab or grab it up on your phone or something. Just go ahead into your Google search. Type in Oregon or Oregon today, I think. I typed in what does Portland look like today and the first you know, I don't know like 20 plus pictures were all like Beautiful scenic Overviews and everything you know. I mean, you got to dig pretty good to find the gritty pictures of you know Reality, of how things are looking.

Speaker 1: 23:32

But listen, I did a live shortly before we came on to record tonight and Several people, people were checking in, you know, saying I'm from here. They're all over the place, people as far as Switzerland. How crazy is that? But anyhow, yeah right, I had several people that happen to be in Oregon and I told them. I said, hey, we're gonna be talking about you guys tonight's or this week, so make sure you tune in. So you guys from Oregon that were in the live chat, I hope you're in this episode two and you pipe in. I want to know from you and I don't know if they can do it in in the chat. If it's, if it's a possibility, if you can put pictures in, if you've got pictures to show us, we would love to see what, what your area or that area is looking like right now, so it might be interesting. Clay right.

Speaker 2: 24:25

Yeah for sure. And, and it's you know, this is one of those. You know, everybody wants the instant reaction. They want the instant like, hey, let's put this in place. You know, boom, on this day we're gonna legalize all this stuff and on this day we're gonna fire off all these programs. Well, you know, and I know that one it's a government operation, so nothing's gonna go smoothly. It's none of it's gonna go according to plan, none of it's gonna go on time and it's all gonna be under budgeted. Right, they're not gonna allocate enough money for this.

Speaker 2: 24:52

So, all of these great programs that are supposed to be funded by all of this, you know, all of these regulated, taxed funds that were supposed to come from these drugs, are that money's not coming for years? And oh, by the way, the programs don't just pop up overnight, like they take years to establish, but they turn the light switch on and, and you know, like you said, addicts, users, you know, took advantage. They did what they do and it's horrible and it's shameful, but it was allowed. Not only was it allowed, it was actually encouraged in a lot of cases. You know, oh, keep using, we'll take care of you, you'll, we'll get you into a program Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It'll use under supervision, right? It's all of those things they wanted to do and what ended up happening? What everybody with any amount of common sense New was gonna happen.

Speaker 2: 25:42

It got out of control and people died more people died than we're dying before. So they've got to shut it off. They have no other Option period. But you're still gonna have people who believe that this is a good idea. Yeah, it's, it is. I'm not a fan of this. You will never convince me that this is a good idea. I and I listen, I I'm still on the fence About marijuana and I know people are gonna tell me that I'm old-fashioned. I don't think that there's anything wrong, truthfully, with marijuana in its in and of itself, except for the fact that I am a 100% believer that it is a gateway to other drugs that that's it right.

Speaker 2: 26:28

It's not that it's not that that's bad, but what it leads to is bad and that's why I that's why I'm not in support of it and listen, I I've got friends and probably family members who are probably, you know, extended family, who are gonna listen to this and be like what is he taught? You know they're, you know they they smoke. It's a commonality nowadays.

Speaker 2: 26:47

There's no legal, recreationally, and okay, fine, it is what it is. I don't necessarily believe in it. Right, and, and this is this is what you get. But you're still gonna have people that are gonna say, oh well, this and hallucinogens are okay, and you know, boba, boba blah. And then you'll have some people. And this is where I think things get very, very cloudy and gray. This is America. You have your own choice to do what you want.

Speaker 2: 27:14

Right, okay, until you die on a sidewalk until you're operating a vehicle and you yeah, I mean until, until you become I.

Speaker 1: 27:25

You know, and I'm a little bit mean, I'm the first one to admit it, and my husband, if he were in here right now, he'd be gone. Mm-hmm, she's mean, but I'm a little bit mean and and I will honestly say that, you know, I'm kind of like listen, do what you want to yourself. Good, do what you want, do it. You know I'm I don't know what to tell you, but Now you're jeopardizing the health and safety and well-being of other people. Now you are a hazard to me, to my children, my grandchildren, and so help me God. Anything help. It happens to them because of what somebody else is doing. You know, impaired, you know what? Just impaired, you know they better pray that they don't live. They just better pray that they don't live to tell the story, because they won't.

Speaker 1: 28:15

So, I am, I am with you and, yes, I'm gonna have people and we'll have people. In the comments are like oh stop, you're being dramatic, you know, with the pot and everything. Listen, all I can tell you is I am so sick and tired of every single store, restaurant, street, everywhere you go now you are Bull bold over by the reek. The stench of marijuana. Everybody is. I smell it everywhere. I was just in a store today and a couple walked by and the smell like I Wanted to throw up it was so Overwhelming and disgusting. And listen, I don't even have anything against pot there. I got people in my label to tell you oh yeah, she, you know, she had some fun in her day once, once upon a time, I did. I'm fine with that. That's, that was then. This is now and I, I just I don't want to smell it when I'm walking around. I don't want to smell it from the car Driving down the road in front of me and it's coming back for my vents.

Speaker 1: 29:22

I just thought you know, right exactly it's like what is going on here and you know and go ahead, you, you know, comment section, I mean you. I can't be the only one experiencing this, noticing this. Every restaurant I go into that smell comes around the corner or from the next table and it's Disgusting. And you know, besides all that. So that's, that's just my own aesthetics and All that but it's a.

Speaker 2: 29:52

That's a real thing, though. I mean my, you know, my son and I went and played pickup soccer on Sunday and and you know he's now 18 and and you know we were leaving and he's been doing this since he was a kid. He looks at me, goes drinking a snack, so I just stopped to get gas. So stop and get gas. He runs in, he grabs us a couple of sodas and some munchies for the for the ride and there's a group of teenagers at this you know it's a nice, you know gas station, convenience store kind of thing and they're out in the parking lot, they're wandering in and out and blah, blah, blah, and my son comes back and he gets in the vehicle and he says they all smell like pot, dad.

Speaker 2: 30:29

They were all high every one of them, you know, and I'm like, okay, but 15 kids, 20 kids roaming around, you know right? So you've got that. Oh, by the way, public service announcement for all you old dead heads, petulio oil is worse than pot, so don't think that covers anything up. Don't do that either, please. Oh, all right, so I that's, you know. Just to go back to the Oregon thing to clean that up. It was a horrible idea to begin with. It was failure meant to happen. Unfortunately, people died because Because people were stupid, I'm sorry decision. You can criticize me all you want for being crass, I don't care. It was a horrible decision by that state government and People pay the price for it and and that's where we're at. And now they've learned an unfortunate lesson that they have to reverse and go backwards so they prevent any more useless death based on a right. Terrible.

Speaker 1: 31:25

Yep, it is, it really is. It's. It's awful and so incredibly unsurprising, right along with the whole defund the police. Oh, can we refund the police now? We're just kidding.

Speaker 1: 31:37

You know all of these ideas and the tip-off guys and and I know our viewers and listeners already know this but if somebody accidentally strays in here with a from a different perspective that thinks that these are all good ideas, that agrees with them. They, these are all good ideas. Here's a little tip-off for you if the government is telling you it's a good thing, there's a great chance that it's not because it's for them, it's. You know, they're making a do do a little, do a minute of of deep thinking, and it's not even deep thinking, it's just common sense thinking like wait a minute. So the government has been, you know, telling us for years, forever and ever drugs are bad, don't do drugs, you're going to jail if you do drugs. Bad, bad, bad.

Speaker 1: 32:26

And all of a sudden they go Wait a minute, you can do drugs, it's okay. Well, we'll help you. Well, we'll fund it for you. You know, we'll set up facilities for you, we'll do all of the things. All you have to do is come in and get as high as you want. And oh, by the way, are you a registered voter? Let's help you with that too. Come on, guys, just smarten up. I just want them to smarten up a little bit, not even a lot.

Speaker 2: 32:55

It's a little back. It's back to Ronald Reagan, the greatest president in our lifetimes.

Speaker 1: 33:00

Yeah, so I mean all of that stuff is. It's so frustrating, isn't it? Because it is so much of simple basic common sense, of Just taking that pause to think about this, like, think about five, you know, five miles down the road. What is that gonna look like?

Speaker 2: 33:18

and well, here's what it looks like you know well, and, and moving on, moving on to our next Right, here's another one where the government believes that they're helping.

Speaker 2: 33:28

Right we're talking about. We're talking about Humanitarian aid into Gaza. So, if people didn't see this, this happened just a few days ago and what it was was a cargo, cargo delivery system, parachute drop of 38,000 meals, right, so it's about 10 or 12 pallets kicked out of the back of a cargo plane on parachute into Gaza. All right, I have been on the receiving end of these kinds of operations as resupply, and let me tell you what a Cargo plane flies over. There's 10 or 12 pallets, right, so you got 10 pallets and there's 38,000 MREs. You're, there's 3800 per pallet, because the Air Force is efficient, they're gonna, they're set up and and they go out Two by two. Right, do, do, do, do. Ten pallets go out. Each has an individual parachute on them. At that point, they're at the mercy of nature. Gravity, wind, right, all of those things, sure, there, and and those things are just fall. They may fall on top of a building, they may fall on top of a car. They listen, they're gonna try and put them in places where people aren't, but here's the problem, and when people see them coming down, they run towards them.

Speaker 2: 34:48

Now, what you have just done is you have put one of the most valuable things in Gaza Out into the masses, right? So you've got 38,000 meals being dropped into a place where food is at a premium. So who is gonna take control of that? The people with guns, that's. Who's gonna take control of that? It's not gonna be unless they're there first and they're there before the people with guns get there.

Speaker 2: 35:16

The average person is not gonna see very many of those 38,000 meals, right? Those meals are probably and and I have not seen a single bit of coverage Since the airdrop not Minute, so Got dropped. I would bet a dime on a dollar that most of that, a good portion of those meals, were taken control of by Hamas, by, sure, by by the Palestinian government, which is a terrorist organization, and they're being controlled and and it's not getting to the people who need it. So this humanitarian aid operation, it was not very humanitarian, it is now leverage and it is being used by the, by the Palestinian government, which is Hamas, for their own benefit and and not for the benefit of the people. I can, I can promise you that and if you need an example, a historic, example, people love movies.

Speaker 2: 36:12

Okay, go back and watch, because this happened, this is true story. Go back and watch the opening maybe 15 minutes of Black Hawk down, right, oh, okay, there's a great scene where there is a UN food convoy, bags of rice, big, big trucks pull up crowds of Somalis who were starving, rush the trucks, big bags of rice are being dumped over the side, people are fighting over it and Soldiers, soldiers loose term from Muhammad Fadai deeds Militia came up, started killing people and took control of the rice and and used it for their own well-being and and to control the people, right, right, they probably don't out some of that rice, but it was to control the people, which I guarantee is the same thing that's going on in Palestine right now, in Gaza Right, I won't say Palestine, because Palestine is not a place in Gaza. So this brilliant idea by the United States government to aid the people in Gaza with food was a horrible, horrible idea.

Speaker 1: 37:19

So talk to me about the, the chain of command on that, like does that come straight from I Laugh when I say this, but I'm gonna say it anyway Does that come straight from the president, like who's who's the? You know who had this brainstorm that this would be a great idea?

Speaker 2: 37:38

So what you probably got was the president saying hey, we, this is a. The whole thing going on in Israel and Gaza is bad. It's a bad look, you need to do some. But we have to do something. That's not too pro Israel and not too pro you know Hamas, palestine, so do something. You know in the middle right and and so the National Security Council and a bunch of his military advisors, the chairman and all the chiefs of staff will get together and they'll put their heads together and they'll all they'll come up with and he'll put out more guidance than that, but they'll probably come up with six or seven or eight different ideas.

Speaker 2: 38:19

With varying degrees of detail and say hey, sir, here's what we think. The best options are one, two, three, four, five, however many they want to give them. And this was probably pretty high on the list because it's a low-tact operation one airplane, two airplanes, couple of air crews, chances of you know anybody getting Injured with them, you know, with an American flag patch on them, is about zero. So zero threat to that. And and on the headline Humanitarian aid mission, it all looks great, right, right.

Speaker 2: 38:48

So this is, you know it's probably the easiest, it was the easy button answer, both in the meat, because they will evaluate them, the media impact of it, they'll impact the effectiveness of the operation, you know they'll, they'll evaluate all those things and then they'll come to the boss and say hey, sir, this is what we think we should do. We gave you a bunch of options, but we think this one's the best one. And and I've been in enough of those briefings, not at the presidential level, but at pretty high levels, where they will Absolutely sell the, the one, the plan that they want to go with. Right, so do d, and in this case there's probably some crossover between and in this case there's probably some crossover between Department of Defense, department of State, some other folks involved, um, but they will sell it to the president, as this is the one that we want you to go with this you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 39:42

They will say it, um, and so they'll. You know, there's a lot of different techniques to do it and I've seen a bunch of them, but they will sell the one that they want to do. So. So, whether this was the president banging on the table and saying do that, or it was do d and do s saying this is the one we want to do, um, somebody at pretty high level sold this and and blessed off on it. But I guarantee you the whole thing was generated from the white house staff, maybe not necessarily the president himself, but the chief, probably the press, uh, secretary, that whole, you know that, that whole his advisory group all those people were probably weighing in that we need to do something. Um, right, you know to to downplay the effective, you know us involvement in israel gaza.

Speaker 1: 40:33

So what's so gross to me about this and so many things that our government does and has done is the fact that, you know, we say a lot of things about government and how it's run and the people that run it, but the one thing that they're not is stupid. They're not stupid. There was never a point where there wasn't a conversation or a knowledge or understanding of what could happen or what was likely to happen, and they went with. Well, let's do optics, you know that's more important. Let's use words like humanitarian aid, because that's what people will key, that's what everybody will key on.

Speaker 1: 41:16

Oh, humanitarian aid, it'll appease this group, but it won't get that group angry. You know it was never about the people on the ground who are starving, who are dying, who are suffering. It was never about them at all. They don't care. And that's the part to me that is so overwhelmingly gross. Like you know, I could come up with plenty of more words for it, but that's the one I'm going with right now. It's just gross to me that they knew, they know exactly what's going to happen, and they're like eh, that's okay, it's an ugly world, man.

Speaker 2: 41:53

No, it's. A lot of this is about risk. A lot of it is about you know how deeply the US wants to get involved. You know what kind of assets we would put on the ground or willing to put on the ground. Listen, a much more effective way to do the same operation would be to put together a convoy a UN convoy or a US flagged convoy for crying out loud and drive them from Israel into Israel, into the occupied territories, and set up food distribution points with US uniformed soldiers. Right, then you stand there and you feed these people literally feed these people and make sure that the people who need the food are getting the food and it's not being used as a weapon or it's not being used to control the people or it's not being misused or given to people who shouldn't have it. Right, but there's a lot more risk involved in that.

Speaker 2: 42:49

Right, sure, you put it. You know platoon. You know 30, 40 kids out there. I shouldn't say kids because, well, they would be younger than me. So, yes, kids, but you put 40 kids out there.

Speaker 1: 42:59

Anybody younger than us is a kid.

Speaker 2: 43:01

Yeah, and they're, and they're manning a food distribution point and you know, god forbid a suicide vest or something like that happens. Now you've got, you know, the Kabul evacuation all over again, and then it looks bad, right. So you're right, success of this mission was not the priority.

Speaker 1: 43:20

Right.

Speaker 2: 43:21

If it really was about feeding people, you could do it in a lot better ways. The actual feeding, this was about optics, it was about doing something to appease the masses, it was about headlines you know and those kinds of things and it just made it made somebody feel good about what we were trying to do and it looked better. But I can promise you those 38,000 meals did not get to 38,000 hungry bellies guaranteed.

Speaker 1: 43:46

Yeah, yeah, and you know, and they're obviously, you know, trying to walk this tightrope of. You know, because, as is obvious, as we all know, the division now in our government, in the liberal party or in the sorry, in the Democrat party, liberal, they're divided now, you know they're fighting, it's it's Israel versus Hamas. It's one side feeling this way and this is caused the you know, the biggest rift I think that we've seen, certainly, and it's funny because we were just talking recently about, you know, the squad and how there's so much unity in their party versus the Republican Party. And you know this is a big divisive topic for, for well, the world really, but definitely in the country. You see it, of course, in our, in our government right now, in the Democratic Party, they're struggling. They don't really know what to do with this.

Speaker 1: 44:47

You see it, of course, the, as we talked about earlier before we came on here, hollywood, you know they're, they're divided, whereas they, you know they used to do their. I mocked them just recently doing one of those black and white videos of how, when they do their, you know their big videos of gaining support for something. That's really just them trying to look really important. But, yeah, it's, it's very interesting to to watch.

Speaker 2: 45:14

Yeah, you said it. We were talking about before we, before we started recording Israel, gaza. Everything that's happened, you know, since October 7 has really made it okay for people to take a position that they believe in, which is great to see. But especially in the entertainment world and in government, you're starting to see people take a position that doesn't necessarily follow along with whatever their party is or whatever, even whatever their, their friends are. Right, you mentioned Hollywood. There's a massive population, you know. Jewish population in Hollywood has been for decades. Right, that's not a secret. And what you're starting to see is rifts in Hollywood, you know, between those that are pro Israel, and then you've got the anti Semitic sentiments are starting to come out and you're starting to see divisions, even within the entertainment industry, based on this, which you never saw before. Right, right.

Speaker 2: 46:19

No, you did not Right as blue as blue gets. They all agreed with everything that was coming out of Washington DC if there was a Democrat in office. But now not so much. And now you're starting to see that bleed into other topics. We talked about the drugs in Oregon. You're starting to see that.

Speaker 2: 46:35

You're starting to see some backlash, especially in and around LA and Hollywood, about the homelessness right that Hollywood is no longer okay with because it's gotten out of control. You know you've got homelessness in Florida. Same thing, right. You're starting to see it's really funny, the older Saturday Night Live guys like Dana Carvey and Bob what's his name? Anyway, that, like that whole crew, those guys are funny. They're a bunch of crabby old men now because they're all turning conservative and they're not buying off on any of this stuff. But really, what you? I believe that this, this issue, specifically Israel, gaza, is, has been great for people to take a position and disagree with each other publicly, in forums and between people that wouldn't have disagreed on a single thing. You know, eight months ago wouldn't have happened, right, but now it's. Now it's okay, which is good. That is a good thing, all of us.

Speaker 1: 47:36

Yes, yeah, because they're not just in lockstep, you know, just repeating the in their echo chambers, repeating all the same things because they don't really care. Now, suddenly, this is something they care about and they're, they're speaking up and it is it's. It's very interesting to watch. It is surprising to see, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know if I ever would have been able to peg the thing that would, you know, shake some people out of their stupor or stupidity, whatever the case might be, and really stand for something of consequence and significance. And in here we are, it's happening and and you're seeing some. You know we mentioned the within the Democratic Party.

Speaker 1: 48:21

I was just watching a video earlier today of AOC getting chased down by by, you know, the same people that she calls her own, basically, and calling her out for her stance and not, you know, doing what they wanted her to do. And so she had. She had done a, she had made a statement or a tweet or something about you know how glorifying protesters, how it's supposed to make people feel uncomfortable. You know, it's good and she likes it. Well, she got protested and she didn't like it at all.

Speaker 1: 48:57

She dropped some, she dropped a big old f bomb at them and she was mad. She was as big mad so, yeah, so that came back and bitter on the tush and you know it's interesting. It's just interesting and I don't necessarily agree with everything or you know half of everything, but it's it's interesting. Like you said, it's interesting to see people now and having those conversations and their tough conversations, because when you find out that somebody that you're very close to, or you think you're close to, has an entirely different perspective on such a big topic, you know, yeah, it's a it's pretty wild to watch for sure.

Speaker 2: 49:42

But you know what we had? Nine heads agree on one thing? Yes, we did.

Speaker 1: 49:48

We did what I mean. It's the right decision and it would have been horrific if it weren't that. I can't imagine in any universe that that should not have been what happened. I personally believed that it that it did, and and that is whether it was Trump or somebody else, I don't care who it is. Given the circumstances that we're in right now, he absolutely should not be taken off of any ballads in any state for any reason, and thank goodness SCOTUS laid the law down. Basically.

Speaker 2: 50:25

Yeah, and the decision you know the word on the decision was was twofold one, he hasn't been convicted of anything, right, so you can't arbitrarily take him off of a ballot because he hasn't done anything wrong. And two, because they said hey, states, this is a federal election. You don't have the right to do that. You want to do that within your own state on state ballot, state level elections, that's that's up to you, your state constitution, in your state Supreme Court, but on a federal ballot, can't do it. Not your place, do it right now.

Speaker 2: 51:00

These, you know we, everybody has been commenting for the last I don't know my entire lifetime About the Supreme Court and how it's politicized, and you know so many justices, under whichever you know President, put them in there and whatever party they are, and blah, blah, blah, blah. Nine to nothing. Okay, they, they all agreed on this, and so these are the nine, you know, greatest Legal minds in the United States, right now, at least as a collective. And you know what happened already today. There are two congresspeople, one of them a lawyer and a former Harvard professor who believes that he knows better, right, and I'm talking about Representative Raskin and representatives wall well, who have already said they are gonna find a way to go around the Supreme Court and Make sure that President Trump is not allowed on the federal ballot like I. I understand it's theatrics for their voters and it's in its, all those things, but the arrogance associated with that is the worst thing for our three. You know the three legs of the stool. That's how our right we all saw that right.

Speaker 2: 52:11

Right, yeah, this tool to believe that they can just push One of those aside. Actually, really, they're pushing two of them aside and and they make Congress the most powerful, because this way they are dictating the presidency and they're pushing the Supreme Court off to the side right. The level of arrogance there is Unbelievable it's astounding be tried.

Speaker 1: 52:34

Yeah, briefly, right. And you know what's also astounding it is that they'll get, you know they'll get some support. They'll get some people that are like, yeah, that's right, you're absolutely. And, of course, as soon as they get shot down, you know that those people back every like I don't know, I wasn't, I wasn't agree with that. They're crazy. Yeah, you know they all operate. But yeah, I mean you're, you're literally look at, they are literally looking at the foundation of what our country is built on and Saying no, no, no, no, that's not. Does it doesn't work for us because it's not what we wanted, so we're just gonna. You know it's. It's like, you know, people trying to change the Constitution. We, you know, ah, we don't need that. Yeah, that doesn't, that doesn't fit, you know.

Speaker 1: 53:18

People are Evan loving minds and they should be booted out just for that alone.

Speaker 2: 53:21

Yeah, yeah, right, it's bordering on treasonous, right? I mean it really is you know it's funny.

Speaker 1: 53:27

I almost said that I'm like I don't know if that's like the right word for, but it is, though, right. I mean that's the reason against your country by basically trying to subvert the law of the land, essentially right.

Speaker 2: 53:42

Yeah, it's yeah like insurrection thing right that they keep yeah yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1: 53:48

Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:50

Yeah, it's amazing to me because you're right, they will get some backing and people will stand behind them. It will die very, very quickly and quietly, truthfully, and it is all I it's. It's all theatrics for their voters, right? But Regardless, like this is egregious, it really is egregious, and and the arrogance associated with it is baffling to me. But the fact that Nine to nothing wasn't enough of a message, right, like this is one that anybody again with any amount of brain should look at and go.

Speaker 2: 54:29

We probably need to leave that one alone, right? We probably, we probably need to just walk away, like I know, illinois Just did it just the other day, like last week, and and the same day that, actually in the same decision, where the judge was like, yes, take him off the ballot. Oh, by the way, we're gonna suspend my own decision because I know it's gonna be appealed within the next four days and I know that Supreme Court is ruling on this. But if it stands in Illinois, this is what's gonna happen. So even then, you know, the judge knew it was. The likelihood is was about zero. But if there's another state, another state's attorney or another state's Supreme Court beyond today that's decides to try this crap again, like that should be. You should be tried for treason, you, you yeah absolutely yeah.

Speaker 2: 55:17

And now you're now you are leading. You know you're on the brink of leading an insurgency against the United States government because the Supreme Court just said no, and I get it Appeals. People are gonna say, well, you guys just said question everything. Yeah, you're right, we did within reason. This is no reason when I'm not yeah, when nine nothing is the decision, there is no reason after that none right?

Speaker 1: 55:42

Yeah, absolutely Yep. So guess what? Y'all you are no doubt gonna be seeing that face On that ballot, no matter what state you're in. Like it, love it, hate it, whatever your feelings are, that's what you got. Oh, and don't forget, guys, you know here's your other choice, though you know sorry.

Speaker 2: 56:08

So and I'll throw this in, because this is, then, this is the new. So two things happened just within a couple of hours. Within a couple of hours, michelle Obama said not running for president, she's not doing it. I saw that you're not doing it. And then the one from, I think, hillary secretary Clinton yesterday was he's old. Get over it, get used to it. Just accept the fact that he's old. Listen, we accepted the fact that he was old. Yeah, years ago. Yeah, it's not about his age. Yeah, really isn't. It's about his competency. So I don't, I wouldn't care if he was 67, I wouldn't care if he was 57, if he's acting like this. Right, the guys got dementia, and that's what this is about.

Speaker 1: 56:49

Hey, but listen he, he cleared his, his Exam without a cognitive test. But you know, cleared it, so all good.

Speaker 2: 56:58

Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, just forget the fact that he's old is what she said. Forget over it, okay, except the fact that he's old, no.

Speaker 1: 57:10

Absolutely Nope. Nope. We're fine as as we can be, as fine as we can be with old. We're just not okay with dementia, cognitive decline to the extent where he can't remember Anything, anything whatsoever. He can't. He can't Debate. They won't let him debate. You know, he, his Engagements are very limited. You know any speaking thing that he does, very, very brief, very short. They're already talking about. They're not gonna be putting them out there, they're gonna have you know what is it called pinch hitters? I shouldn't try and talk in any kind of baseball terms. I don't know anything about baseball, but you know they're, they're gonna try and put other people out for him to basically speak for him on his behalf. Come on now. I mean, this is just to the point of Full on absurdity. So, but this is the circus we're living in and you know, here we go, grab our usual saying guys, grab your popcorn, because the show, the show continues on and on and on.

Speaker 2: 58:17

And stay to the unions coming. He's gonna be coming hiding, but, right, you know the watch how much he actually speaks, because I think it's gonna be very, very little. But it is coming, yes, on full display, no words.

Speaker 1: 58:31

Mm-hmm. Yes, indeed, all right, guys. Well, the show is over for us for tonight. We enjoyed it. We hope that you did too. We look forward to your comments and carrying on these Conversations more with you guys. We thank you all the time for tuning in and joining us. We absolutely love you to pieces clay. Do your job.

Speaker 2: 58:54

Listen, folks, last week we had we did something a little bit different. Right, we released not just the full show, but we broken into some segments. We had some, I think, some great response. Yes, you liked it. If you liked it, let us know. We want to keep doing it. If you like it. If you didn't like it, let us know that too. But feedback is always always welcome. We love it. So we're here doing this. You know we do this for you guys. As much as we love talking to each other. We do do this for you guys, but as always from me, you know I love to be here and till next week, keep moving, keep shooting.

Speaker 1: 59:27

See you next time, guys.