Prepare for an absolute shocker as we shed light on the appalling revelations surrounding Hunter Biden's second indictment. Here's the thing; he has been accused of a staggering $1.4 million tax evasion, and what's worse, he is alleged to have indulged in extravagant spending while enjoying a seemingly impervious shield from his father's position of power. Are we living in an era where accountability is a myth? We examine this question in the context of Hunter's actions, and the unfinished saga of his controversial laptop. Do a child's actions cast a shadow on their parents? A discussion worth having, isn't it?
Meanwhile, we're turning up the heat as we grapple with controversies that have engulfed the arena of higher education. You've probably heard about the scandal at Harvard University involving plagiarism, or the abrupt resignation of a college president, but what about the Iranian ambassador at Oberlin College who was fired for his anti-Semitic views? How do educational institutions deal with such incidents? Are there legal repercussions? Stick around as we pull back the curtain on the offstage drama on college campuses.
However, it's not all political debates and controversies. Every coin, after all, has two sides. Brace yourself for an emotional rollercoaster as we share the soul-stirring story of Kate Cox, a young woman from Texas forced to make an agonizing decision due to her unborn child's genetic condition and the state's stringent abortion laws. As we round off this hard-hitting episode, we want to take a moment to spread some joy. Happy holidays, dear listeners! Here's to a joyous season, and we'll see you on the other side, in the New Year.
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Prepare for an absolute shocker as we shed light on the appalling revelations surrounding Hunter Biden's second indictment. Here's the thing; he has been accused of a staggering $1.4 million tax evasion, and what's worse, he is alleged to have indulged in extravagant spending while enjoying a seemingly impervious shield from his father's position of power. Are we living in an era where accountability is a myth? We examine this question in the context of Hunter's actions, and the unfinished saga of his controversial laptop. Do a child's actions cast a shadow on their parents? A discussion worth having, isn't it?
Meanwhile, we're turning up the heat as we grapple with controversies that have engulfed the arena of higher education. You've probably heard about the scandal at Harvard University involving plagiarism, or the abrupt resignation of a college president, but what about the Iranian ambassador at Oberlin College who was fired for his anti-Semitic views? How do educational institutions deal with such incidents? Are there legal repercussions? Stick around as we pull back the curtain on the offstage drama on college campuses.
However, it's not all political debates and controversies. Every coin, after all, has two sides. Brace yourself for an emotional rollercoaster as we share the soul-stirring story of Kate Cox, a young woman from Texas forced to make an agonizing decision due to her unborn child's genetic condition and the state's stringent abortion laws. As we round off this hard-hitting episode, we want to take a moment to spread some joy. Happy holidays, dear listeners! Here's to a joyous season, and we'll see you on the other side, in the New Year.
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Well, good evening everyone. Welcome to another show, and I guess maybe you're not watching in the evening. If you're not, good morning, good afternoon Whenever you watch or listen. Hey say hi Clay.
Speaker 2:Hey everybody. So what we said, we decided this is the last one for the year. Right, we're going to do this one.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm glad you said that, yeah last one for the year. Then we're going to take our nice little break, do all our holiday stuff and hibernate for a couple months. I'm sure we're going to keep busy, but yeah, then we'll be back fresh. For you know, whatever the first, Sure that first week of January post-year.
Speaker 2:whatever I've just been hitting the head too many times. I just before I forget. Happy holidays to everybody, whatever holidays you celebrate and subscribe to and all that good stuff. Happy holidays, because by the end of this show I'm sure it'll be right out of my brain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm glad you said it because you know it's going to be right out of my brain too. All right, guys, we'll get started right after this Music. Oh hey, well, the news cycle doesn't disappoint. They always give us something to talk about, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know, some of what we're going to talk about tonight is ongoing. Some of it is very pointed and brand new. Yeah, but yeah, we never want, do we? We never want. There's always plenty of content.
Speaker 1:Lucky us, lucky us, I guess, in that weird way. So first up, right off the bat, we got a. We're talking about Hunter. Good old, sweet, good boy. Hunter. Poor, poor, poor hunters always getting picked on, so sad, yeah, no, I don't feel that. So over the past week or so, they released some bombshell news that he's getting hit with a second indictment. Yes, and this one includes three.
Speaker 1:Total of nine, right, yes, total of nine three felonies and six misdemeanors, and I think now, if I'm reading this right, this one stems from his failure to pay $1.4 million in taxes. $1 million in taxes. This kind of revolves around chump change. I mean, come on, I have that in my pocket. Kidding, no, I don't.
Speaker 2:So there's a couple of things outside of just the appalling dollar amount, right, and oh, by the way, the things that he spent money on, I mean.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:I think I even have this oh perfect right, that's a great graphic.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 1:Isn't that terrific. I can't take any credit for it. That might be Fox, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in a four-year span the guy spent a mortgage on there it is adult entertainment and bought a complete mansion for payments to various women. Like that's $870,000 in four years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, stunning, absolutely stunning. And I mean stunning. By stunning I mean appalling, disgusting and unsurprising. I mean this has been talked about for so long now by the conspiracy theorists and all the crazy loons who are posting various sites, platforms and everything, the types of things they've done. I mean the laptops, the laptop stuff alone. The stuff that was on there is just unbelievable. And here we are. And this guy how can you not think that he's untouchable based on what's going on right now? He's not locked up, he's got a little bad boy slap Daddy's protecting him once again. And will it stick?
Speaker 2:Reality-wise. I mean, pretrial confinement kind of stuff is reserved to violent criminals, which he's not. I mean this is for tax evasion stuff, it's for fraud. But you know, is he a flight risk? You could argue that he is, but you could also argue that there's nowhere in the world he could go, with the exception of, probably, china at this point, where he wouldn't be extradited, seen, identified, extradited to the United States. I mean, there's no way. And oh, by the way, if he flees, he knows and his father knows that's the end. Like he's going to have to eat this and hope for the best.
Speaker 2:But, like you said, there's a level of protection based on who he is. But you go back to you said it the laptop. Right, go back to the election of three years ago. The president said it Hunter is the smartest guy. I know he's the smartest guy. The president knows and I get it, it's his son. You're going to wax poetic about your children at times, but this, this is ridiculous. The smartest guy I know. Okay, fine, fatherly, you know, whatever. There was the conspiracy theorist, like you said about the laptop. Oh, no, no, no, that's Russian propaganda. Right, it's all made up. I mean, that was our justice department that said that, yes, so there is a level of protection. That alone is evidence that there's a level of protection that existed before he was elected, right Before president Biden yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2:This is I mean long time, goes way back. But you know, here's the. Here's my biggest takeaway on this whole thing is our kids, your parent and a grandparent. Right, yep, I'm a parent. Your kids are a reflection of you, right, I don't care who you are, I don't care if your kids, if you abandon your kids, your kids are a direct result of you abandoning them. If you pop, they're a direct. Whatever parenting style or lack of parenting style that you have, your children are reflected. There are right, I get, there are kids with. You know developmental issues, behavioral issues that go, you know, beyond the way that you've raised them Into. You know psychological. So psychological, you know kind of issues, but for the most part, like let's talk that you know the population, your kids are a reflection of who you are and how you raised them. This is this is a direct reflection on the president and that he raised his sons.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. You know what it's. It's really hard to see it any other way than that. You look at Biden's, you know, as a career politician. You look at his track record and his failings and just the things that he has said over the years. Just that alone. If you want to take away everything else his ineffectiveness, his lack of doing anything of real consequence If you look at the things that he says over the years, before the senility kicked in, the guy was pretty bad and that's just scratching the surface of you know. That's just what you see on the surface.
Speaker 1:And now you have all of these things you know as, as we know, they've opened Mike Johnson's opened the indictment inquiry, right, that's. That's kind of where we're at right now. So now he, if I understand it correctly, it appears that he feels that there is enough now to to open this and to get some legs on it and and see, you know, see what they come up with. I mean, what they come up with, it's been, it's everywhere you know, and it's just more proof of, like, all the things that we keep seeing over the years is whether it's about COVID or specifically it's origin and effects and everything you know, all the stuff that floats out on the internet from from smart people, people who know what they're talking about, and getting you know, hushed up because, oh, conspiracy, oh, you know, election cycle, you can't talk about any of that.
Speaker 1:So these platforms will, will just shut it all down any conversation and then, when it can't do them any harm, then they're like, well, okay, this might be the truth. Oh, and then after that, okay, well, it is the truth. Things that people were saying, you know, months and months and even years prior. You know, and this whole Biden crime family, this is. This is in my eyes, and obviously not in any Democrats eyes. Apparently this is just a matter of fact. This is a crime syndicate, this family you know and it's organized white collar crime.
Speaker 2:But you're 100% right. I mean, yeah, and it's all going to come to light, like it's all going to come to light.
Speaker 1:It just may not be for many, many years, and that's the kick in the face to all the Americans, to all of us. That that's the kick in the face that all of the things that we've been saying are all going to come to light when it can't do them any harm, and that's disgusting. No accountability. Will Hunter get any accountability here? Will anything happen? It's. I would be stunned, I would be absolutely stunned, if he faces anything more than a little bad boy, and that's it and you know so a couple of things Once.
Speaker 2:So the president I just saw the president said he now feels bad for running in 2020 and being elected because if he hadn't, then Hunter wouldn't be prosecuted right now. So so he's only. He's only. It's not that he committed any crimes, right, it's that. You know, I feel bad because my son got caught because I ran for president is what it boils down to, and that he wouldn't be, you know, subjected to all of this while he's trying to get sober and get his life together. Like, are you kidding me? So I mean, there's that perspective which is horrible. I mean just that.
Speaker 2:And you said, at the senility with the president, you never know what's gonna come out of his mouth. You know that kind of thing. I get all that and that probably maybe it is what he meant to say. I don't know. But you know, and I think, back to there have been some great and not great kids who live in the White House, right, I mean, if you go back, you know the Obama girls. Well, let's get the Trump kids right and go right. They'd won in the house. The, truthfully, was subjected to more crap than that kid ever deserved to be subjected to.
Speaker 4:Absolutely Right, the older I get right.
Speaker 2:You know, the older's were, you know, kind of at some point staff or advisors. Okay, fine, but they're adults, right.
Speaker 1:Whole different playing field when they're adults, totally different right.
Speaker 2:And then you had the Obama girls who got in their fair share of trouble right and continue to do. You know there are plenty of stories about them. I think the older you know blatantly smoking pot, you know while the Secret Service was standing there. You know kind of saying those stories are out there. But for that you had the Bush girls who had a good time the Bush twins right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were a little wild.
Speaker 2:They were a little wild at college too, yeah, you know. And then you keep going back and back and back. Right, you could say you know Bush, you know HW, you know was, you know he's a presidential child, not adult, right? And you know it's out there. He had issues with alcohol at one point in time. Okay, fine, I don't think. I don't think, and as far back as I can recall, there's never been anything like this.
Speaker 1:Never no no. I mean, if there was, it was so under wraps. You know there was some, like you said, some delinquent behaviors and eyebrow raising things, but you know all stuff that you could go. I mean, you know all rites of passage. They just unfortunately had to do it in the public eye essentially. And this, yeah, this is so far out of the scope of normal, normal behavior.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, Normal behavior like, let alone the child of a president like this guy is so broken as a human being but perpetuated like he would never have had access to this stuff, never had access to this money, this level of influence without exploitation of who his father is and the influence that his father potentially has, like his entire I won't say his entire downfall, because obviously the guy's an addict.
Speaker 2:There's that's a whole discussion in and of itself, but the severity of where he is at and I mean you could go back to that graphic with all the dollar amounts on there there's no way he has access to that money without the standing president.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean just taking a look at that again from the Look at the ATM cash withdrawal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what?
Speaker 1:Yeah, first of all, my bank won't even let me take out more than what? 300 at a time. So what's up with that? Yeah, I mean, if you look at those numbers, you see a, like you said, a broken, depraved, sick human with way, way, way too much access and ability. And you know, they know by their own admission, that the guy is a screw up, and he's been a long time screw up, for decades really, and they reward that or justify it or cover it up, or I mean, however you wanna look at it, by putting him in positions of power and authority where you know he can do all of these things.
Speaker 1:How is it, first of all, if your father trying to protect your son, trying to get him on the right path I don't really think that's the smartest course, you know, but they just. I think the reality is, they just don't care, they truly believe that they're above the law, they're above reproach. And now, you know, I don't really even think they feel any differently about it. I still think they feel like, doesn't matter, doesn't matter, we're just gonna ignore it. One, we're just gonna ignore it. We're not even gonna answer questions, and if you ask me a question about it. I'm just gonna walk away. I'm gonna, you know I'll, I'll. I have the video somewhere I'll put it up there of him being asked and just walking. You know, just walking away.
Speaker 1:Okay, so if there are no more questions, we'll move on to the next chapter. I'm sorry, I do have one question. Yes, go ahead. Okay. So I understand the acronym deny exit, avoid, dismiss. I'm just having a hard time like visualizing how to put that into practice, okay. Well, the best way to explain it is to give you a couple examples. Here we go.
Speaker 5:My name is Craven and also China.
Speaker 3:There is polling by the Associated Press that shows that almost 70% of Americans, including 40% of Democrats, believe that you acted either illegally or unethically in regards to your family's business interests. Can you explain to Americans to Americans, this impeachment inquiry why you interacted with so many of your son and brothers for business associates? I'm not going to comment that I did not and it's just a bunch of lies.
Speaker 5:You didn't interact with many of their wives.
Speaker 3:Associates. I did not, there's lies.
Speaker 4:There was an incident. It's quite a lot of things. You might not be crazy Great. We can end this briefing if it's not going to be respectful here, Chris.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm saying you're in the city of North Africa and you don't take questions.
Speaker 5:Thanks everybody, no question about that right, Thanks everybody.
Speaker 2:Are we the one on the ball again?
Speaker 1:Getting defensive and taking his ball and going home. Just that administration's tactic to just turn around and walk away. When they don't want to answer a question, they just say OK, we're done. Yeah, just OK, I'm done. Bye.
Speaker 2:Happens in the press room every day. Yes, every day. It's the same thing. But you're right. I mean he's on Air Force One. That's been documented too, right? Since all this stuff has come out. He rides around with his dad Air Force One. There's all of the emails, right? All of this stuff is coming out. It's becoming more and more clear. Like you said, there's indictments coming. There is going to be an impeachment process that is going to get initiated. We'll see what comes out of it. That may be the nail in the coffin to that puts Newsom into the driver's seat to run as a Democrat candidate. Who knows where all that's going to play out, but it's coming because all the evidence is there.
Speaker 2:You said it it's a syndicate crime-type family. The lack of humanity is just blatant. We've discussed a number of times how his family lets the president continue to be the president. It's a form of elder abuse kind of thing. And then there's this right, but it goes back to the simple the guy. He lies for a living. It's part of the fabric of who he is. Yes, and there you go. He said it again yesterday. He was talking about the fire in his house that almost killed his wife. Everybody's been over it. It was a small kitchen fire, nobody was, but that's what he?
Speaker 2:did. Yeah, didn't he tell that?
Speaker 1:story in what was it? Maui In Hawaii, with the fires there and your hair? Yeah Right, yeah yeah. There's a great comparison. Like stop letting this guy talk, like do not let him talk off the cuff and I'm sure they try darn hard to keep him from doing that. I'm sure they give him the talking points and say just say this, just read the prompter, and he can't do it. He can't do it. It's just asking way too much.
Speaker 2:And neither can come out. So I guarantee you, they hand her the book right, it's the briefing book, the binder. They get it, she gets it. She's supposed to look through it and get herself up to speed, and never does it.
Speaker 2:Now him, that thing probably sits in front of him. He may even read it, he may likely stare at it, but once he gets in front of a podium and a teleprompter, all bets are off. So you don't know what's going to come out of his mouth. But that's the environment that Hunter grew up in, right, and that again it goes back to your children are a product of you and you know it's judgment, it's all of those things, the addiction, like all of that, and you know. So, you know, I get it. You know, right, his mom passed away, right? Wasn't that his mom that died? There's some trauma in the guy's life, but clearly he has either been exploited by his father or he is willfully joined in. And it's not exploitation, it's collusion for the two of them to try and make as much money as humanly possible. But either way, as an adult, as a damaged adult, his dad's not doing him any favors. So that tells you what kind of human being you know President Biden is.
Speaker 1:And I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 2:I feel bad for him, for me, for running for president, because now he's being prosecuted and chased after and all this other stuff. No, no, no, the big guy You're in the emails. You're culpable as the big guy. Yeah, it's all. You're as guilty, probably worse so, than your son is in this entire thing. Oh, by the way, you're guilty of exploiting or colluding with your son, who clearly has issues, right, right, yeah?
Speaker 1:absolutely.
Speaker 2:I mean that speaks volumes about him as a person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, there's no question about it and it's all absolutely disgusting. And you know, and the lessons that Biden, that Hunter, got growing up, really is that you can do all of these things, you can lie, you can cheat, you can do all of the God knows what things that they have been doing over all these, all these years and you will get rewarded for it. You'll get rewarded by, you know, with power, authority, money.
Speaker 2:You can become president of the United States you can become.
Speaker 1:Yeah, lie, cheat, steal, do all of these horrible things. Extortion trees, you name it. Do all of these things and you'll get rewarded for it. You know, what else are you gonna grow up thinking, I guess, if that is your climate and your environment. So I don't, you know. I was going to say I would love to be a fly on the wall in those private family conversations, but I actually feel like I would feel filthy just even having to be in the presence of these people, because I think those conversations would make your skin crawl.
Speaker 2:You know, because there's nothing, I would say they're probably. I don't know, maybe this is dramatization, but they're probably reminiscent of stuff out of the Godfather.
Speaker 2:Yes, right I mean the same type of you know it's handled as business. It's, you know, legally, morally, ethically wrong. But you know it is what it is and this is how things are. We're just gonna do it anyway. And you know people don't understand this is you know? This is how life works, blah, blah, blah blah. The conversations are probably very similar in tone as an organized crime family. It is what it is. Yeah, yeah, there's huge yuck factor in sitting on any of that stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. And you know I mean no matter what it's gonna be. It'll be interesting to see where this goes. You know there's certainly conversation. Is this just yet another distraction like look over here. You know we'll sacrifice. We'll sacrifice him because he's not really that important, so we'll use him as the sacrifice right now so we can work on getting this developed. You know nuisance more than likely. You know, let's get this going behind the scenes and distract everybody with that something we're not really doing anything about, but let's get them riled up and make them think we're gonna do something. You know, and that's their little shell game. You know that they like to play Look over here, look over there, don't look right here. You know where there's a real business is going on.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Oh man, all right, so we're gonna keep an eye on that, but we'll move on over who we talking about next.
Speaker 2:We are talking yeah, you feel that way. Right, we've been talking about this, obviously, since October. We've been talking about everything that's going on in Israel the, you know, attacks initiated by Hamas, the retaliation by, you know, the IDF Israeli Defense Force and everything that's been going on over there. We've been talking about that. We've talked on this show about the rise of anti-Semitism, blatant, outward, open anti-Semitism, you know, in the United States. Now we're starting to see an interesting touch of backlash here and there.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 1:Yes, backlash all across the board, backlash against Hollywood actors who have come out in support of Hamas or, at the very least, anti-Israel, which you know, I mean it's basically the same thing and they are getting some swift backlash and having to kind of backpedal. And now, even bigger and more important, I think, than a bunch of idiot Hollywood monkeys, there is these big Ivy League college campuses. I mean we're talking about Harvard, Penn and MIT. I mean this is, you know, this is the big time here and they are getting, they are getting called out, which is by Congress, which is actually a pretty big deal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we? You know we had the resignation of the president of U Penn, right? So that was the first one. Yes, in a shocking move today, the president of Harvard was allowed to keep her job with the backing of the board of the university. What does she have on them? They have lost $1 billion in donations a billion dollars, and solely from Jewish and Israeli supportive graduates and donors. A billion dollars. Who said billion? We're not, we're not listening to this, we're not tolerating this. This lady's crazy, all this anti-Semitic stuff that's going on on campus, that's being tolerated. We're not supporting this. And they pull all their money. And it made it public. There have been public statements, letters written, published. It's all out there. And still, you know the president of the university Dr Gay, her name is who sat up in front of Congress, refused to acknowledge that this is hate speech and wasn't allowed.
Speaker 1:Actually, you know what's we actually? We have that and let's show that, because her arrogance and condescension it just seeped right through and it was actually pretty interesting. So let's take a look.
Speaker 5:We embrace a commitment to free expression, even of views that are objectionable, offensive, hateful. It's when that speech crosses into conduct that violates our policies against bullying, harassment and intimidation. Does that speech not cross?
Speaker 4:that barrier? Does that speech not call for the genocide of Jews and the elimination of Israel? You testify that you understand. That is the definition of intifada. Does that speech according to the code of conduct? Are not?
Speaker 5:We embrace a commitment to free expression and give a wide berth to free expression, even of views that are objectionable. Offensive.
Speaker 4:You and I both know that's not the case. You are aware that Harvard ranked dead last when it came to free speech. Are you not aware of that report?
Speaker 1:Yeah, the refusal to acknowledge the anti-Semitism, that it is more than just free speech. It is hate speech, it is bullying, it is threatening, it is outright harassment. Jewish students are in fear for their lives on their college campus. She's just like yeah, no free speech. I mean, what are you going to do? You can do a shit.
Speaker 2:Just slide out, because you could say the exact same message, as horrific as this is, but the same message. If you walk across campus 30 people, daved heads, jack boots, nazi uniforms, waving swastikas, which is exactly the same thing. Exactly the same thing. Those people would be arrested immediately.
Speaker 1:No question about it.
Speaker 2:The free speech thing is bullshit. That's all it is Her level of arrogance. You pointed it out and you're 100% right. It's sickening. Now she's under a little bit of fire herself right now.
Speaker 1:Yes, she is, yes, she is Dr Oral.
Speaker 2:Thesis has been. There's some accusations of plagiarism in her doctoral thesis, which, my understanding. Now Harvard is trying to redefine plagiarism to get her off the hook, which I think is hilarious. But again, typical liberal thought process is rewrite the rules.
Speaker 1:We don't like them.
Speaker 2:We don't like the rules.
Speaker 1:We don't like them, rewrite them.
Speaker 2:But she's full of it. This is garbage. We have laws against hate speech in this country. It has nothing to do with Conn no Right. We have, and we've talked about that on this show too. Why are we not seeing more hate crime discussion in all of this anti-Israel rhetoric that's going on across the United States? Why are we not seeing that?
Speaker 1:Why, because it doesn't fit the narrative Right. I'm so sad and frustrated and angry. For the Jewish community to live in this time and to have this happening is so heartbreaking. It's so sad and disheartening and I can only imagine how they must be feeling to see the anti-Semitism is alive and kicking today and really, really frighteningly so, and it's just so disturbing. And I've got to go back to this Harvard, president, and Harvard in general. I don't know if you saw this, but first of all, I have to say I think we are seeing the true decline of some of these Ivy League schools, and this one, if this wasn't enough, the fact that they have a course on Taylor Swift now is. You know that part is just laughable. That you know, if my kids, if I had college age kids and if Harvard was in the realm of possibilities for them, that alone would get the hell. No, it tells you everything right there that you need to know.
Speaker 2:But so, and when I first heard about that, I was in exactly the same camp and I know this is a little bit off topic, but having put some thought into this and I'm not trying to change your mind but one in the digital age, right, where we are now any level of education, where we talk about the use of social media and influencing and how that works, right, and, oh, by the way, a business course in what that young lady has done, If you take those two things and you just use her as the, you know, centerpiece for the course, right, and I don't know what that course is about.
Speaker 2:I have no idea. All I know is if those, if you, if those two are the focal points of a course called Taylor Swift 101 or whatever you want to call it, there's potentially some value in there. But my gut reaction was exactly what yours is, which is like I can't believe this. This is insanity. This is the highest level of education in the United States and this is what right. So, again off topic, and I'm not trying to change your mind, Maybe.
Speaker 4:I am.
Speaker 2:But course, content would be interesting to take a look at.
Speaker 1:Yes, I will give it that caveat that, if it is what you said, if they're using it in that way, okay, okay, that's, we can go with that. We can go with that. Is that what it is? I don't know, I just I just have this image of a you know some Fruit Loop professor coming in, you know like.
Speaker 1:Taylor Swift blasting shake it off. That's the first song I can think of that. I know hers, you know. I don't know, are they going to study her songs? And you know, give lyrical dissertations. I don't know who the heck knows, I don't even know.
Speaker 2:It's possible.
Speaker 1:It's entirely possible, it's so possible. I hope somebody comments and lets us know.
Speaker 2:They know what department, what department, teacher Right. That, I think, is the best indicator of what the course content is, regardless. Back to the back to the real topic. Yes, back to it, I'm sorry, that was my fault.
Speaker 1:That was my fault. I sent us aside with that. But yeah, we have a, so one of the three college presidents resigned as a result of all this?
Speaker 1:Liz Makle I don't know how to pronounce her, I think that's what it is. Claudine Gay as we know, they have doubled down on their support for her. I think that's going to be their undoing. I don't. Will they recover from it. I have no idea. We'll see what happens. I can't imagine, because now they're gunning for you know. So we've already found out the plagiarism. What else is there going to be and can they withstand? I mean, one billion dollar loss. That's huge, and that may be just the beginning. So we'll see. I'm very curious to see what's going to happen. I don't know what happened with MIT, to tell you the truth with their president.
Speaker 2:I haven't heard of Peep. No, it's just Lane.
Speaker 1:Lowe, I think they're just Lane Lowe and Duffin and Covrin and trying to trying to get out of this as best they can.
Speaker 2:And we'll, we'll see, we'll keep an eye on it, but it is pretty interesting and it's it's interesting to see the tide turning, you know, and the so there's another one now, not, there is not related to the congressional testimony, but I don't know if you saw Oberlin College in Ohio Oberlin, I think it's university in Ohio which is renowned as potentially the most liberal university in the United States. So they have a, or did have, a titled professor, the professor of peace. This is a former. Well, he's an Iranian. Okay, the Iranian ambassador to the UN has been overtly critical harassing of Israeli students, jewish students, on campus. Has, you know, potentially a role.
Speaker 2:There is, there is charges out there, or people are trying to gain support to provide more data that he it was involved in a cover up of the massacre of 5,000 ish dissidents against the government of Iran while he was an employee there, but also just fired by Oberlin because they found out that in 1997, now people have been in this guy in his position for a decade, right. But they just found out that 25 years ago a complaint was filed against him in a trade grades for sex kind of thing, right. Well, in 1997, 98, right, yeah, but they're just firing him now. They have said that you know, and words matter. This is a university, right, a university president that said that they have because they've been defending him as this professor of peace for a few years now. Right, just that part.
Speaker 2:And now they have decided that the defense of him is untenable. Now, for those of you who are not familiar with that term, we use that term in the military often, and an untenable defense is a position that you can no longer defend, right? It's not that you don't want to. It's not that it's not still a valuable piece of terrain to own. It's the fact that you are going to lose so much in equipment and personnel and everything else to defend that that it's not worth the loss. So it's not that they don't still support him. That's what untenable means. The defense, his defense, is untenable. It's not that we don't want to defend them.
Speaker 2:It's just the cost is going to be too high. So they're not even admitting anything. They just found a reason to offload this guy. But he is a you know, he is a I hate to say it a far extreme Muslim male anti-Semitic. It's been going on for a while but even on the you know, the point is on the most on the campus of the most liberal university in the country they are finding a reason to get rid of. This guy is greatly anti-Israel, anti-semitic, anti-jew, everything.
Speaker 1:So the fact that you're starting to lose yeah, you know it's. Yeah, you know it's, you know it's bad, you know it's big when the most liberal one says, yeah, we can't, we just can't, can't do it, don't work.
Speaker 2:Right, and to use something oh, it's 25 years old. We just we just found out about this. Yeah, we had no idea that this happened in 1997. Had we known, we never would have hired him.
Speaker 1:So that's going to be the next. Do you think that'll be the next major trial? We'll be watching Cause now, all the I don't know, I don't know what statues the limitations on things are, or anything like that. But you know, now I would think that that would open up a lot, a lot of lawsuits against this guy, if it's even possible to to sue for, you know, I don't know damages, oh, I have no idea.
Speaker 2:I mean just the potential for that is great. Like you said, limitations matters, you know, but they have. They've removed him, like his name. The nameplate is off the door. They know that for sure. Like people have looked into this, he's done. But again that backlash for this kind of stuff, they found a reason to get rid of this guy Right. They've been defending him for a couple of years and at this point, with everything going on in the world Hamas, israel and everything else are like this guy's. Just he's not worth. He's not worth the trouble and they're getting rid of him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's in damage control, right, yeah, and you know, and I give them zero credit, I give them no kudos whatsoever, nothing. I think they are, you know, even more appalling and disgusting. You know, it's that word that you said, it's that untenable, it's the not admission, it's, you know, non admission, of any wrongdoing, any culpability, any accountability for anything. It's just like, yeah, no, we're just gonna, we're just gonna send him away, we're all done moving on. And you know, that's one of those things I think again.
Speaker 1:You know, I feel like this is like the theme throughout tonight this one word, and it's, you know, my favorite word in some ways, and it's accountability and, in these cases, the lack thereof, this consistent refusal to take accountability for the actions that they do or not do, depending on the circumstance and the consequences of all of that, and that they get to just, you know, drop these bombs, explode all over the place and walk away, you know, with jobs intact, talking about a principal gay there. Yeah, you know, it's just, it's very, very frustrating and disgusting to me and I don't know, I just would like to see some real accountability, some real consequence, and maybe we will see it. You know, maybe this will damage Harvard's reputation beyond repair. And do I necessarily want that to happen? No, I want them to do better. You know, be better, do better. But we'll see, I guess right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, you know it's a continuation, I think, especially for the Ivy League. You know, through COVID they learned and had to admit that's what everybody else already knew, which is online learning is still quality education if done correctly and done well. Right Places like University of Phoenix and some of these other online universities have been producing quality education programs for a long time, and what you know and what you got out of the Ivy League was oh wow, that's not a Harvard education, that's not Yale, that's not this, that's not that. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And for almost two years, what did they do? Online education, and you know what.
Speaker 2:Those kids who spent two years getting their education online from Harvard. Yeah, they got a degree that says Harvard, but they got an online education just like somebody from University of Phoenix, and you can argue the quality of the instructor, but the argument has always been online education's not as good as in-person education. Blah, blah, blah. Their diploma from Harvard doesn't have an asterisk on it. It doesn't say I graduated from Harvard in 2022, asterisk small print at the bottom. But for two years, I had online education. It doesn't say that. No, right. So this on top of that, I think the luster of the Ivy League is starting to wear a little bit. I think that the man behind the curtain is poking his head out and I think everybody's getting a real look at what these institutions really are, and that is a lot of money wasted, truthfully.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, absolutely, and I think a lot of parents I think it's that quiet majority that I think really does exist in a larger proportion to everyone else, and that silent majority is moderately conservative and they're looking at what's going on and like I'm not spending all that money to send my kid, my nice, normal, well-adjusted kid, I'm not sending them there to have them come out some blue-haired, I'm throwing wash yeah and from throwing basement, dwelling jackass. I'm not doing it, not gonna happen not on my daughter.
Speaker 2:Send that kid to a directional school and he's turned a Western, a Northern, a Southern, a Central, whatever. Send him to a directional school, let him get a good education, get well-adjusted, and they're still gonna be able to work when they get out of college and they're not gonna be in debt for half a million dollars.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, all right, we're moving on to. It's one of and I've said this before there are two topics in America that are instant division, right, yes, there we go. Which we've talked about on the show is guns, and the other one is abortion right, yeah, but what we're gonna talk about is really the grayest of gray areas.
Speaker 2:It truly is Abortion, right, I tell you you are, and this is where, whatever side of the argument, you're on right, this is one of those that you have to stop and think. You have to, you know, really make a concerted, adult effort to understand what's going on. Yeah, and then you may end up readjusting your opinion in some form or fashion at the end. So, if you guys don't know what we're talking about, a woman named Kate Cox in Texas applied for an abortion in the state of Texas. Okay, now, texas is one of the you know, one of the states.
Speaker 2:Once Roe v Wade was flipped, that, you know, did what we all want states to do, and that is they took response. It states rights, they determined what was gonna be legal in the state of Texas. Okay, yes, and the big fear for a lot of people when it came to abortion was it was not going to be thought through and the gray areas were gonna be too vast to, you know, make it reasonable. And unfortunately, this young woman, kate Cox, fell square in the middle of this gray area. She did, she really did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, and I you know, I think you're probably as familiar with this as I am, but there's some medical complications, right, Right, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so sure. So the background is so, kate Cox. She's 31 years old. When she was 20 weeks pregnant, her doctors determined that the fetus had a genetic.
Speaker 1:A chromosomal issue is called and I'm probably gonna pronounce it raw. I actually don't know how to pronounce it, but I wanna say trisomy. It's T-R-I-S-O-M-Y 18, and it causes high potential for causing heart defects and other organ defects, and it has a very high miscarriage rate. If you're child, if you're unborn child, it has this. Most of those pregnancies, or majority of those pregnancies, will end in miscarriage, and of the 10% that survive, they don't survive to their first birthday. So this is an incredibly serious birth defect that is very likely life-threatening to the child. So they found this out and they decided that the most humane thing for themselves to do, for both the mother and the unborn child, was to terminate the pregnancy, and so they had to, like you said, they had to apply to be able to do this because, again, she was 20 weeks pregnant at the time and Texas is. It's the heartbeat. When the heartbeat, usually it's six weeks.
Speaker 2:So there's two things it's the heartbeat, but it's also the application was required based on the number of weeks, but also because you have to prove a threat to the life of the mother, which in this case there is not. A high threats to the life of the mother? Now, there is not. There are threats to potential future capability to birth another child, to have another child. She may. The effects of this condition may affect her and her ability to have a child after this pregnancy, but not life-threatening to her. And those, unfortunately, are the stipulations. And I say unfortunately, those are the stipulations for her case, for her specific situation, and this is the gray area of stuff we're talking about. There's no or very, very little threat to her life, which is a requirement in the state of Texas, past a certain number of weeks for a mother to apply. That requires them to apply for an abortion.
Speaker 2:As the pregnancy goes on, as you said, the likelihood of a miscarriage and the likelihood of her, the degradation or elimination of her ability to carry a child for another, a future pregnancy, those chances go up and they continue to go up. She's made multiple trips to the emergency room. There has been medical complications for her. Nothing again life-threatening, but again trips to the ER and some other things. So it's not getting better right.
Speaker 2:So they tried to do everything within the law they tried to put in for the application. The attorney general of the state of Texas fought tooth and nail against this because she didn't meet the stipulations, because there was no threat to her life. So when it got to a point where they really really had to make a decision, this young lady had to do what we all knew was going to happen in a lot of these cases, and I don't know where she went, but I know that she left the state of Texas to go somewhere else to go get this abortion, and that is not I don't care what side of the argument you're on that is not a position that any of us wish upon. A mother carrying a child right To be put in that position where you've got to wait on bureaucracy of all things, to make these kinds of and listen, this family didn't take this lightly but this wasn't a haphazard.
Speaker 2:I plan B pill the next. It's not that. That's not what this is, and I don't know your beliefs because we've never talked about this, but I have a feeling. I know where you sit on this issue, but I know you and I know that you're a loving human being and I know that you don't want the mother to have to go through no mother to have to go through these kinds of things.
Speaker 2:No, no this is a horrible horrible thing and this is not it is absolutely gut wrenching. It is, and we don't want this for anybody. But this is where lawmakers have failed. Truthfully. They have failed in all of this. And again, states' rights to Texas decides what is good for Texas. If you don't like it, then move out of Texas. Okay, that's the argument. But in this case they have failed. My opinion, I think they've failed. They've left way too much of a gray area or they've made it way too stringent on purpose, without considering the effect of cases like this, and I think it's an abject failure by the state of Texas one in the way their law is structured and two in the horrible, horrible amount of time that this has taken.
Speaker 2:That has forced this mother to just say you know what?
Speaker 5:screw it and to go somewhere else which we don't want.
Speaker 2:Nobody wants that, but Texas. This is a failure on Texas. I'm sorry, there's no two ways. You can't cut it a different way. In my mind, in my heart, texas has screwed this one up bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I sat with this one for a long time today really really thinking about it, and I am a pro-lifer, and so it was a lot of struggle with me internally to really think about all of the sides of this, because I can be very black and white about it that a child, an unborn child, has a right to the opportunity to life, and you know. But the other side of that is I'm a, like you said, I'm a compassionate, caring person. I'm a mother. I put myself, I sat and I put myself as best as you possibly can mentally in her situation and it's everything that you said.
Speaker 1:This woman just, you know, this wasn't some light Oops, you know, gotta get rid of it. This is not that, and what she has had to go through is I wouldn't wish that on anyone. You know you're going through and she's got two children also. So she is a wife, she is a mother, and now she is carrying a child that she will almost definitely, almost definitely have to watch die and there's no gray area there. That is pretty much, you know, close to guaranteed, whether it's prior to birth, by miscarriage, or after birth, when she's holding her child in her arms. You're gonna hold, I mean as a mother to. I even think about it. I could start crying right now. Just even think about that.
Speaker 1:So that side of me really, truly does win and say you know what? They did? Drop the ball. They dropped the ball hard on this and this is actually cruel and inhumane what they've done to this woman and what they're putting her through or have put her through. And they, yeah, and it is so typical of our lawmakers that they get these, they do these knee-jerk reactions and they did the same thing with gun laws here in my state. They rushed so quickly to get these gun laws in that they missed a really big, important piece, which is a whole other story and we won't even go into it. But it was because they were so quick to win, to get their laws set in place so that they win. They lost their humanity and they did not think it through and it wasn't a balanced, thoughtful, planned out law.
Speaker 1:And this is what happens. And this is not the only case. There's another case that has either happened before or subsequently I'm actually not sure but this won't be the last of that. So now they really have no choice but to address this law and how they can fix it. I don't know. Texas is pretty tough and stern. Maybe they're just gonna say, no, this is what it is and suck it up. I have no idea, but it was a huge eye-opener and I think it helped. Absolutely no one benefited, no one whatsoever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is the. We've heard it since well, forever, but it's become more prevalent in the last few years and that is the abortion is healthcare argued. So my take on that is like all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs in the sense that and I know that sounds stupid, it's very simplified, but it's the same thing. I like it Right. All healthcare. This is a case where abortion is healthcare.
Speaker 1:This is yeah, this is one of those cases right Right, not all abortions are.
Speaker 2:My opinion, this one definitely is. This is healthcare, right, health of the mother, mentally, physiologically, like this is healthcare, but unfortunately, we make everything black and white when it's really not, and this is again. This is a great case that the person who is suffering the most in this is that mother, and you can't feel worse about this for anybody. That woman is enduring, or did endure, it continues to endure, the worst effects of bureaucracy that come to mind. Yes, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1:I hope that, you know, I hope that there is good that can come from this and that the good that would come from it is better legislation, better lawmaking, better, more compassionate and thoughtful lawmaking there, because that was a bad one, that was a really bad one and I just my heart breaks for that family. What an awful experience to go through privately and then to have to go to these lengths and have it become public. You know, her name is out there, her face is out there, and you know, and I just, yeah, my prayers are with that family as they go through this, because you know it's a double man, it's a double slam for them. You know this tremendous loss and there's a lot of things going on at 20 weeks and you know. So there's no question that this was not, like you said, not taken lightly in any way and, yeah, it's just sad. So I do hope that some good can come from it.
Speaker 2:So I'm gonna challenge our lawmakers and for their New Year's resolution, right, this is our last show of the year, so I'm gonna challenge our lawmakers. Their New Year's resolution across the board, at every level, across the United States, is do better. Yes, just do better.
Speaker 1:That's all you want.
Speaker 2:That's all any of us want as Americans voters, as your constituency. To all of our lawmakers out there do better. Do better for us, not for you, not for your agenda, not for you know your financial backers, not for your donors, any of that crap. Do better. Do better for us. Go to work every day, show up every day, federman, put a tie on right. Put a tie on as a whole, as a group, as a population, for our country. Do better for us, for the citizens of the United States. Do better. That's my challenge to them. Make it their New Year's resolution. Do better.
Speaker 1:I like it, and that's you know what. We cannot close out our show any better, I think, than that. I think that is our closing statement right there, and we will just put the cherry on top with wishing everyone we didn't forget, we didn't forget wishing everyone a safe, happy, healthy, wonderful holiday. If you celebrate Christmas, merry Christmas to you. If you're celebrating Hanukkah, happy Hanukkah to you, and I wish you all an incredibly blessed, wonderful New Year, and we will see you after at Clay. You want to say your goodbye?
Speaker 2:Happy New Year to everybody. Happy holidays, be safe, to you and yours. Again, happy holidays. Keep moving, keep shooting.
Speaker 5:MUSIC you.